The Accumlation of Wealth is not protected by the Constitution.

[theDoctorisIn]

It's failing everywhere it's tried, dumbass.

But what is "it"?

What you're missing is that the only system that has EVER worked has been a combination of socialism and capitalism. Socialism on its own has never worked, and pure free market capitalism has never existed, except for maybe Somalia.

Ideologues never get it right. They always get too emotional.

 

[Agit8r]

"Above all things, good policy is to be used that the treasure and moneys in a state be not gathered into few hands. For otherwise a state may have a great stock, and yet starve. And money is like muck, not good except it be spread."

--Francis Bacon; from Of Seditions and Troubles (1625)

 

[Revere]

You puke faces think anyone to the right of Pol Pot is a moderate.

 

[Revere]

It's failing everywhere it's tried, dumbass.

But what is "it"?

What you're missing is that the only system that has EVER worked has been a combination of socialism and capitalism. Socialism on its own has never worked, and pure free market capitalism has never existed, except for maybe Somalia.

Ideologues never get it right. They always get too emotional.

You mean socialism isn't working in Detroit. Capitalism did, until the capitalists were driven out.

 

[JBeukema]

That's just silly.

We aren't socialist.

We've no public education?

SNAP?

Social Security?

Minimum wage laws?

Progressive taxation?

Unemployment insurance?

Market regulation?

Environmental protection laws?

Child labour laws?

40-hour workweek?

Child labour laws?

Sexual and racial discrimination laws?

Nope.

Our society is a blend of Capitalism and Socialism. Capitalism being the boss.

We are a socialist society be definition. We are in a socialist stage of socio-economic development. We haven't been a capitalist society within the US borders fro some time. That's why the capitalists now operate trans-nationally.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You puke faces think anyone to the right of Pol Pot is a moderate.

And I'm sure you honestly believe that you're not a far-right fringer.

 

[Foxfyre]

"Above all things, good policy is to be used that the treasure and moneys in a state be not gathered into few hands. For otherwise a state may have a great stock, and yet starve. And money is like muck, not good except it be spread."

--Francis Bacon; from Of Seditions and Troubles (1625)

If you confiscated and liquidated every single item owned by the very rich in this country, it would run the US government at best a very few weeks. And then there would be nothing to run the country. I don't know if I would have been smart enough to become rich. I know I didn't do what is necessary to do in order to be rich unless you win the lottery or are otherwise very very lucky. I didn't want to be rich bad enough to do what I needed to do to become rich.

But if I had, I wouldn't have taken a dime away from you. I wouldn't have diminished your options or opportunities one iota. I wouldn't have been a stumbling block or barrier to you pursuing whatever dream you wished to pursue and accomplishing it if you had ability to do that. But I might have contributed for the surgical equipment that saved your life. I might have paid for the new museum exhibit you enjoyed or expansion of the zoo or provided the scholarship for you kid or back the foundation that came up with the venture capital for your new business. And I might have provided you a job that allowed you to live comfortably and support your family. It might have been my money that you borrowed to expand your business and your first public stock offerings of your fledgling corporation might have gone into my portfolio as I took a gamble on you and your dream.

Why is it that you think it is your prerogative to tell me how much is enough for me to have? Why is it that you think I am not entitled to whatever I am capable of ethically and legally earning?

 

[JBeukema]

It's failing everywhere it's tried, dumbass.

But what is "it"?

What you're missing is that the only system that has EVER worked has been a combination of socialism and capitalism. Socialism on its own has never worked, and pure free market capitalism has never existed, except for maybe Somalia.

Ideologues never get it right. They always get too emotional.

You mean socialism isn't working in Detroit. Capitalism did, until the capitalists were driven out.

No, it didn't. Capitalism in Detorit made the city depended on three companies that went out due to the ignorance and pigheadedness of the people running those three companies. Capitalism in Detroit saw the city's layout- from the placement of racially-segregated neighborhoods to the dependence of those in the suburbs on those companies' products for survival- planned and executed according thew the whims of a handful of rich men. Capitalism sewed the seeds of Detroit's failure- it was inherit in the way it operated.

BBC - Requiem for Detroit - (13th March 2010) [PDTV (XviD)] (download torrent) - TPB

 

[Intense]

But what is "it"?

What you're missing is that the only system that has EVER worked has been a combination of socialism and capitalism. Socialism on its own has never worked, and pure free market capitalism has never existed, except for maybe Somalia.

Ideologues never get it right. They always get too emotional.

You mean socialism isn't working in Detroit. Capitalism did, until the capitalists were driven out.

No, it didn't. Capitalism in Detorit made the city depended on three companies that went out due to the ignorance and pigheadedness of the people running those three companies. Capitalism in Detroit saw the city's layout- from the placement of racially-segregated neighborhoods to the dependence of those in the suburbs on those companies' products for survival- planned and executed according thew the whims of a handful of rich men. Capitalism sewed the seeds of Detroit's failure- it was inherit in the way it operated.

BBC - Requiem for Detroit - (13th March 2010) [PDTV (XviD)] (download torrent) - TPB

Funny, I thought the Union's did that. Isn't that what they usually do?

 

[loosecannon]

Then explain how confiscatory taxes do not transgress life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you pathetic moron.

again you wandered off topic and right back into your non stop class warfare meme.

The thread is about the constitutional right to accumulate wealth. Or absence thereof.

Actually, it's turned into a petri dish for morons like you who have no concept of the value system upon which the Constitution is based.

see you can't argue your position and you can't stay on topic. And actually this thread has PROVEN that you don't give a shit about the constitution.

Not only can you not understand it, but you don't consider the 16th amendment to be part of it!

You are really a tool!

 

[loosecannon]

again you wandered off topic and right back into your non stop class warfare meme.

The thread is about the constitutional right to accumulate wealth. Or absence thereof.

Actually, it's turned into a petri dish for morons like you who have no concept of the value system upon which the Constitution is based.

Note I have bolded the idiot's double-speak...

actually you left her double speak unbolded.

 

[Revere]

You puke faces think anyone to the right of Pol Pot is a moderate.

And I'm sure you honestly believe that you're not a far-right fringer.

What are things that distinguish a "far-right fringer?"

 

[loosecannon]

I cannot freely consent if I have no choice in the matter because the government forces me.

you had a choice, the constitution actually does guarantee that. Do you need me to look it up for you?

The government makes it illegal to work without being taxed. So if I want to work to live then I have to sign their little tax document. That isn't a choice. The only way it is a choice is if I have the option to work without being taxed legally. Since that's not an option it isn't a consensual agreement.

They won't let you be King either, so apparently this isn't a free country.

 

[Agit8r]

You puke faces think anyone to the right of Pol Pot is a moderate.

And I'm sure you honestly believe that you're not a far-right fringer.

What are things that distinguish a "far-right fringer?"

if you are to the political right of our founding fathers, you are far-right

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

you had a choice, the constitution actually does guarantee that. Do you need me to look it up for you?

The government makes it illegal to work without being taxed. So if I want to work to live then I have to sign their little tax document. That isn't a choice. The only way it is a choice is if I have the option to work without being taxed legally. Since that's not an option it isn't a consensual agreement.

They won't let you be King either, so apparently this isn't a free country.

Did you have a real response, or did you just want to talk about nonsense?

 

[Foxfyre]

And I'm sure you honestly believe that you're not a far-right fringer.

What are things that distinguish a "far-right fringer?"

if you are to the political right of our founding fathers, you are far-right

But be precise. What would that look like that pertains to anything being discussed here?

What does the 'far-right fringer' think about the rich?
About the Constitution?
About the position of the Constitution re property whether owned by rich or poor?
About taxes?
About social contract?
About government power?
About unalienable rights?

And then how does that apply to anything anybody has said here?

 

[loosecannon]

"Above all things, good policy is to be used that the treasure and moneys in a state be not gathered into few hands. For otherwise a state may have a great stock, and yet starve. And money is like muck, not good except it be spread."

--Francis Bacon; from Of Seditions and Troubles (1625)

That is classic monetarism and it is spot on. It is an economic fact that no matter how much wealth nations may amass their economy will be no more vigorous than how equally that wealth is distributed.

Which is why the golden age of America, the wealthiest nation in history, coincided with the peak of it's middle class.

 

[The T]

And I'm sure you honestly believe that you're not a far-right fringer.

What are things that distinguish a "far-right fringer?"

if you are to the political right of our founding fathers, you are far-right

However in today's lexicon? If you stand with the Founders *YOU* are considered Far Right...

How does that work exactly?

 

[Revere]

"Above all things, good policy is to be used that the treasure and moneys in a state be not gathered into few hands. For otherwise a state may have a great stock, and yet starve. And money is like muck, not good except it be spread."

--Francis Bacon; from Of Seditions and Troubles (1625)

That is classic monetarism and it is spot on. It is an economic fact that no matter how much wealth nations may amass their economy will be no more vigorous than how equally that wealth is distributed.

Which is why the golden age of America, the wealthiest nation in history, coincided with the peak of it's middle class.

It was destroyed by government institutionalizing poverty.

Witness the assholes here who call more unemployment compensation more prosperity.

 

[Revere]

The middle class is being destroyed by the dependency class.