The Accumlation of Wealth is not protected by the Constitution.

[Foxfyre]

You HAD a choice, to sign your social contract and assume the rights and responsibilities involved or not to sign. You consented to taxation when you applied for and signed for a taxapayer identification #. If you didn't want to pay taxes why did you voluntarily sign?

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I have no choice but to work, if i want to eat, yet employment is considered consensual as well

But when we respect unalienable rights of another, it is entirely your choice whether you work to eat or chooose not to eat. So that is a completely different thing.

The debate I see here is whether you want to give the government power to determine how much you will be allowed to buy food, how much food you will be allowed to buy, whether you will be allowed food at all, none of which you will have any power to consent or not consent.

 

[loosecannon]

The question is whether or not taxes are consensual. Clearly if I am not permitted to work without signing a sheet that allows the government to tax me it is not consensual.

are you being obstreperous, or are you really that dense?

signing the sheet legally signifies your CONSENT! THAT is what a signature DOES.

I cannot freely consent if I have no choice in the matter because the government forces me.

you had a choice, the constitution actually does guarantee that. Do you need me to look it up for you?

 

[boedicca]

LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Grow up.

Then explain how confiscatory taxes do not transgress life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you pathetic moron.

again you wandered off topic and right back into your non stop class warfare meme.

The thread is about the constitutional right to accumulate wealth. Or absence thereof.

Actually, it's turned into a petri dish for morons like you who have no concept of the value system upon which the Constitution is based.

 

[Sallow]

I don't recall ever pledging allegiance to my government.

The republic is the government. Read the pledge.

What pledge? The Pledge of Allegiance? That slogan of statism that they have small children recite in the classroom?

Well that's the way it works. You can chose to be a citizen or not.

Up to you.

 

[Agit8r]

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I have no choice but to work, if i want to eat, yet employment is considered consensual as well

But when we respect unalienable rights of another, it is entirely your choice whether you work to eat or chooose not to eat. So that is a completely different thing.

The debate I see here is whether you want to give the government power to determine how much you will be allowed to buy food, how much food you will be allowed to buy, whether you will be allowed food at all, none of which you will have any power to consent or not consent.

I don't see how that is the debate at all o_0

 

[Foxfyre]

I have no choice but to work, if i want to eat, yet employment is considered consensual as well

But when we respect unalienable rights of another, it is entirely your choice whether you work to eat or chooose not to eat. So that is a completely different thing.

The debate I see here is whether you want to give the government power to determine how much you will be allowed to buy food, how much food you will be allowed to buy, whether you will be allowed food at all, none of which you will have any power to consent or not consent.

I don't see how that is the debate at all o_0

Sigh. Most Leftists don't.

 

[Sallow]

This country is pretty free in that if you don't agree with the rules..you can leave.

There are a good deal of countries that DON'T allow that.

North Korea is a prime example.

 

[The T]

Then explain how confiscatory taxes do not transgress life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you pathetic moron.

again you wandered off topic and right back into your non stop class warfare meme.

The thread is about the constitutional right to accumulate wealth. Or absence thereof.

Actually, it's turned into a petri dish for morons like you who have no concept of the value system upon which the Constitution is based.

Note I have bolded the idiot's double-speak...

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

are you being obstreperous, or are you really that dense?

signing the sheet legally signifies your CONSENT! THAT is what a signature DOES.

I cannot freely consent if I have no choice in the matter because the government forces me.

you had a choice, the constitution actually does guarantee that. Do you need me to look it up for you?

The government makes it illegal to work without being taxed. So if I want to work to live then I have to sign their little tax document. That isn't a choice. The only way it is a choice is if I have the option to work without being taxed legally. Since that's not an option it isn't a consensual agreement.

 

[boedicca]

again you wandered off topic and right back into your non stop class warfare meme.

The thread is about the constitutional right to accumulate wealth. Or absence thereof.

Actually, it's turned into a petri dish for morons like you who have no concept of the value system upon which the Constitution is based.

Note I have bolded the idiot's double-speak...

He is amusing, in a completely unintentional, self-parody, sad sack sort of way.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The republic is the government. Read the pledge.

What pledge? The Pledge of Allegiance? That slogan of statism that they have small children recite in the classroom?

Well that's the way it works. You can chose to be a citizen or not.

Up to you.

Actually I can't, as there's a tax to renounce one's citizenship as well. But the Pledge doesn't make one a citizen. It's an oath spoken by children. Children cannot legally bind themselves in that way, so the Pledge means nothing.

 

[Revere]

This country is pretty free in that if you don't agree with the rules..you can leave.

There are a good deal of countries that DON'T allow that.

North Korea is a prime example.

Does that mean until your country shoots you at the border if you try to leave, you are free?

 

[JBeukema]

Then it's not consensual. If it's consensual I have the right to say no.

You're free to leave.

Or to not work.

Just as I am free to say no to your existence in my community and leave for someplace you are not.

However, the government has no right to tell me that I can't legally work.

1) The People, through government, can require you become a citizen or resident, thereby signifying your intent to accept the social contract of our society


2) The People recognize that members of our society incur certain right and responsibilities. Among those responsibilities is to contribute as you are able to the collective actions of the society, primarily through contributing via taxation of wages earned to the funding of collective works, projects, and programs. By refusing to agree to this taxation, you have made it clear you do not agree with the social contract under which we operate. Per the terms of that social contract, you are not to be employed by anyone bound by the same. This is a limitation placed, not upon you, but upon the members of our society whom you are petitioning for employment. They might not hire you. Society has placed this limitation upon our members out of self-interest in order to protect the system (imperfect as it is) by which we arrange and fund our collective actions, including but not limiting to the maintenance of our infrastructure and emergency services.

And as I've already pointed out, I can't leave because the federal government would still assume it has the right to tax my income.

If you earned it here, then the above all applies. If you earned, inherited, or otherwise accumulated that wealth while operating within our society and in accordance with our rules, then you are bound by those rules. I might not want to pay the phone company anymore, but I'm still bound by the rules surrounding early termination of the contract.

Them's the breaks kid. Right, wrong, or in different, that's the reality. Like it or not you're gonna have to deal with it. We are all forced by the nature of things to operate within the confines of reality.







And we sure aren't gonna let you try to wholly destroy our society just to get out of it.

 

[boedicca]

Where in The Constitution are citizens required to pledge/take an oath?

 

[JBeukema]

Then it's not consensual. If it's consensual I have the right to say no.

You're free to leave.

Or to not work.

Just as I am free to say no to your existence in my community and leave for someplace you are not.

As do you if you do not like the way the social contract has been written.

My argument is that it is not the people who are writing the social contract these days and they are increasingly losing their power and ability to do so.

Would you say that Rosa Parks was a free woman that day on the bus? Could she have just chosen not to ride the bus and there would have been no trouble whatsoever? Or is she free only by demanding an unalienable right to be subject equally to the law as everybody else?

Are you free when somebody else has the power to determine how much of your labor you will be allowed to have, if any? When somebody else determines how big a house you can have or how large your bank account can be or how much health care you are entitled to have? A government with power to determine that also has enough power to tell you that you are entitled to nothing at all and completely impoverish you.

That is not freedom. That is serfdom, slavery, total dependence on the whims and benevolence of a power you are powerless to oppose.

That is not what our Founders intended for us here in America.

Marx would agree.

 

[JBeukema]

When you pledge allegiance to the country..you basically give your support of it. That includes part of what you earn.

I don't recall ever pledging allegiance to my government.

Your choice of words is interesting

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

When you pledge allegiance to the country..you basically give your support of it. That includes part of what you earn.

I don't recall ever pledging allegiance to my government.

Your choice of words is interesting

So is your lack of punctuation.

 

[JBeukema]

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I thought you said that you had a RIGHT to accumulate wealth via commerce, that the constitution almost sorta quasi said as much in amendment #9.

bu..but amendment #16 which explicitly delineates the governments ability to tax your income is bs?

The 16th Amendment isn't part of the original founding documents - it is part of the Progressive Agenda to undo The Constitution and replace our system with a statist one.

But thanks for playing.

Can't the same be said for the entire Constitution?

'It's not a part of the Articles of Confederation! It's just part of the Federalist attempt to undo the AoC and replace our system with a statist one'

 

[boedicca]

No. The two situations are not at all analogous.

 

[JBeukema]

This country is pretty free in that if you don't agree with the rules..you can leave.

There are a good deal of countries that DON'T allow that.

North Korea is a prime example.

Noplace is perfect, but we're definitely one of the better ones.