The Accumlation of Wealth is not protected by the Constitution.

[loosecannon]

If I have no choice but to sign it then it isn't consensual.

You HAD a choice, to sign your social contract and assume the rights and responsibilities involved or not to sign. You consented to taxation when you applied for and signed for a taxapayer identification #. If you didn't want to pay taxes why did you voluntarily sign?

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I thought you said that you had a RIGHT to accumulate wealth via commerce, that the constitution almost sorta quasi said as much in amendment #9.

bu..but amendment #16 which explicitly delineates the governments ability to tax your income is bs?

 

[Agit8r]

If I have no choice but to sign it then it isn't consensual.

You HAD a choice, to sign your social contract and assume the rights and responsibilities involved or not to sign. You consented to taxation when you applied for and signed for a taxapayer identification #. If you didn't want to pay taxes why did you voluntarily sign?

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I have no choice but to work, if i want to eat, yet employment is considered consensual as well

 

[boedicca]

Then it's not consensual. If it's consensual I have the right to say no.

You're free to leave.

Or to not work.

you are really ******* with his assertion that the constitution guarantees his right to accumulate wealth via commerce that it also doesn't mention.

The Constitution doesn't specifically mention a right to breath - so does that give the Feds the right to smother you?

 

[boedicca]

You HAD a choice, to sign your social contract and assume the rights and responsibilities involved or not to sign. You consented to taxation when you applied for and signed for a taxapayer identification #. If you didn't want to pay taxes why did you voluntarily sign?

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I thought you said that you had a RIGHT to accumulate wealth via commerce, that the constitution almost sorta quasi said as much in amendment #9.

bu..but amendment #16 which explicitly delineates the governments ability to tax your income is bs?

The 16th Amendment isn't part of the original founding documents - it is part of the Progressive Agenda to undo The Constitution and replace our system with a statist one.

But thanks for playing.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's not the way it works. Or should work.

Then it's not consensual. If it's consensual I have the right to say no.

You're free to leave.

Or to not work.

Just as I am free to say no to your existence in my community and leave for someplace you are not.

As do you if you do not like the way the social contract has been written.

My argument is that it is not the people who are writing the social contract these days and they are increasingly losing their power and ability to do so.

Would you say that Rosa Parks was a free woman that day on the bus? Could she have just chosen not to ride the bus and there would have been no trouble whatsoever? Or is she free only by demanding an unalienable right to be subject equally to the law as everybody else?

Are you free when somebody else has the power to determine how much of your labor you will be allowed to have, if any? When somebody else determines how big a house you can have or how large your bank account can be or how much health care you are entitled to have? A government with power to determine that also has enough power to tell you that you are entitled to nothing at all and completely impoverish you.

That is not freedom. That is serfdom, slavery, total dependence on the whims and benevolence of a power you are powerless to oppose.

That is not what our Founders intended for us here in America.

 

[loosecannon]

However, the government has no right to tell me that I can't legally work. And as I've already pointed out, I can't leave because the federal government would still assume it has the right to tax my income.

however they wouldn't have the means to collect that tax unless you voluntarily sent them money.

And you wouldn't be levied even those taxes unless you chose to work abroad after voluntarily signing up for a taxpayer identification # here.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

When you pledge allegiance to the country..you basically give your support of it. That includes part of what you earn.

I don't recall ever pledging allegiance to my government.

 

[loosecannon]

You're free to leave.

Or to not work.

you are really ******* with his assertion that the constitution guarantees his right to accumulate wealth via commerce that it also doesn't mention.

The Constitution doesn't specifically mention a right to breath - so does that give the Feds the right to smother you?

LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Grow up.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You HAD a choice, to sign your social contract and assume the rights and responsibilities involved or not to sign. You consented to taxation when you applied for and signed for a taxapayer identification #. If you didn't want to pay taxes why did you voluntarily sign?

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I thought you said that you had a RIGHT to accumulate wealth via commerce, that the constitution almost sorta quasi said as much in amendment #9.

bu..but amendment #16 which explicitly delineates the governments ability to tax your income is bs?

The question is whether or not taxes are consensual. Clearly if I am not permitted to work without signing a sheet that allows the government to tax me it is not consensual.

 

[Sallow]

When you pledge allegiance to the country..you basically give your support of it. That includes part of what you earn.

I don't recall ever pledging allegiance to my government.

The republic is the government. Read the pledge.

 

[loosecannon]

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I thought you said that you had a RIGHT to accumulate wealth via commerce, that the constitution almost sorta quasi said as much in amendment #9.

bu..but amendment #16 which explicitly delineates the governments ability to tax your income is bs?

The 16th Amendment isn't part of the original founding documents - it is part of the Progressive Agenda to undo The Constitution and replace our system with a statist one.

But thanks for playing.

oh, so now the amendments aren't really part of the constitution....dunce.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You HAD a choice, to sign your social contract and assume the rights and responsibilities involved or not to sign. You consented to taxation when you applied for and signed for a taxapayer identification #. If you didn't want to pay taxes why did you voluntarily sign?

If I don't sign on to pay taxes then I cannot legally work.

I have no choice but to work, if i want to eat, yet employment is considered consensual as well

Employment is consensual. You choose to work to acquire money.

 

[Revere]

Taxes levied by elected representatives are consensual. Those levied by the likes of the EPA are not.

 

[boedicca]

you are really ******* with his assertion that the constitution guarantees his right to accumulate wealth via commerce that it also doesn't mention.

The Constitution doesn't specifically mention a right to breath - so does that give the Feds the right to smother you?

LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Grow up.

Then explain how confiscatory taxes do not transgress life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you pathetic moron. And then tell us where that phrase is found in The Constitution.

 

[loosecannon]

The question is whether or not taxes are consensual. Clearly if I am not permitted to work without signing a sheet that allows the government to tax me it is not consensual.

are you being obstreperous, or are you really that dense?

signing the sheet legally signifies your CONSENT! THAT is what a signature DOES.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

When you pledge allegiance to the country..you basically give your support of it. That includes part of what you earn.

I don't recall ever pledging allegiance to my government.

The republic is the government. Read the pledge.

What pledge? The Pledge of Allegiance? That slogan of statism that they have small children recite in the classroom?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Taxes levied by elected representatives are consensual. Those levied by the likes of the EPA are not.

So then I'm free to opt out of those taxes?

 

[Revere]

Only if you have elected representatives with the balls to kneecap the likes of the EPA.

 

[loosecannon]

The Constitution doesn't specifically mention a right to breath - so does that give the Feds the right to smother you?

LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Grow up.

Then explain how confiscatory taxes do not transgress life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you pathetic moron.

again you wandered off topic and right back into your non stop class warfare meme.

The thread is about the constitutional right to accumulate wealth. Or absence thereof.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The question is whether or not taxes are consensual. Clearly if I am not permitted to work without signing a sheet that allows the government to tax me it is not consensual.

are you being obstreperous, or are you really that dense?

signing the sheet legally signifies your CONSENT! THAT is what a signature DOES.

I cannot freely consent if I have no choice in the matter because the government forces me.