The #ACA was sold to the American people on false premises.The Falsehoods of Obamacare: 12 Broken Promises, Seven Million Canceled Plans, ...

[excalibur]

As many predicted when, against the will of the People, Congress passed this mess.

Recall that Senator Feinstein said the phone calls to her office were 90 to 1 against, but she voted for this mess anyway.

Yeah, they don't care about you, Democrats are all about control.

 

[Augustine_]

As many predicted when, against the will of the People, Congress passed this mess.

Recall that Senator Feinstein said the phone calls to her office were 90 to 1 against, but she voted for this mess anyway.

Yeah, they don't care about you, Democrats are all about control.

The post forgets to mention that republicans have tirelessly sabotaged the ACA for almost 15 years now

 

[Foxfyre]

As many predicted when, against the will of the People, Congress passed this mess.

Recall that Senator Feinstein said the phone calls to her office were 90 to 1 against, but she voted for this mess anyway.

Yeah, they don't care about you, Democrats are all about control.

Not only did the ACA not fix ANY problems with the healthcare system across the country, it created many. I recall hearing Obama pushing the law with his, If you like your insurance plan you can keep your insurance plan. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. What he didn't say was that you could keep your insurance if it met the ridiculous requirements of the ACA, otherwise you would have to buy a different plan. You could keep your doctor if he/she accepted whatever insurance you would up having to accept.

Hombre and I lost our primary care doctor because of Obamacare and he lost his oncologist. My Aunt Betty's primary doctor gave up on insurance altogether and accepted a $1,500 retainer fee from her patients that covered office calls, check ups, physicals etc. If you needed diagnostic tests however you had to pay for those addition or have insurance that covered them.

Our Medicare Advantage Plan did meet ACA requirements but only after they had to severely increase copays, deductibles, and limit some coverages because the ACA requirements were so costly to them. So pretty much all but the well to doon Medicare have rejected some recommended tests or hospitalizations because of the horrendous copays and deductibles. Costs got marginally better during the Trump years because he rescinded the worst unnecessary mandates. Costs have been horrible under Biden who put all those mandates back in. Everything is more expensive now. Next year our out of pocket medical costs will almost certainly go up more than our increase in social security unless Congress can do something with it quick. That isn't easy in such an enormous network that constitutes the U.S. healthcare system.

Not a single Republican voted for the ACA. 34 Democrats voted against it in the House but because Obama had a super majority it wasn't enough to keep it from narrowly passing 219 to 212 in the House. (A vote of that kind of huge impact on the people should have required at least a 2/3rds majority.)

Not a single member of Congress had time to read the final legislation despite Obama's pledge to give everyone, including the public, time to read what the law would be. I still remember Pelosi saying they had to pass it to find out what was in it.

 

[Greenbeard]

As many predicted when, against the will of the People, Congress passed this mess.

Recall that Senator Feinstein said the phone calls to her office were 90 to 1 against, but she voted for this mess anyway.

Yeah, they don't care about you, Democrats are all about control.

Of course it bent the cost curve, excess health care cost growth since it passed fourteen years ago has been roughly zero. That's never happened before over such a long period of time.

Not only did the ACA not fix ANY problems with the healthcare system across the country, it created many.

Absurd. Aside from the bending of the cost curve, it's lead to record low uninsurance and a huge range of improved health outcomes.

National Uninsured Rate Reaches an All-Time Low in Early 2023

This Data Point examines new National Health Interview Survey (NHIS) data to assess recent changes in health coverage for the population. The most recent data finds that the national uninsured rate for all ages declined 1.9% from 2019 to 2022, with early 2023 data showing even greater decreases...

aspe.hhs.gov

Fewer Patients Dying From Hospital Errors Since Obamacare Started

Report says about 87,000 lives have been saved since 2010.

www.huffpost.com

Yale-led Study Finds the Affordable Care Act Prevented Thousands of Colorectal Cancer Cases and Deaths

Can removing out-of-pocket costs for screening save lives? Screening for cancer and other diseases can identify the disease in its earlier stages of development

ysph.yale.edu

Improved Cancer Survival in States with ACA Medicaid Expansion

An increase in cancer survival rates has been seen in states that implemented Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

www.medscape.com

Decreased lung cancer mortality rates linked to earlier diagnosis, study finds

CT scans and other screenings played a large role in helping to reduce the lung cancer death rate over time.

www.modernhealthcare.com

New research confirms earlier studies showing Medicaid expansion saves lives

For journalists covering the Build Back Better legislation and those in the 12 states that have yet to expand eligibility…

healthjournalism.org

Report: Babies Are More Likely to Die in States That Didn't Expand Medicaid

Infant mortality rates have dropped in expansion states and risen in nonexpansion states.

www.governing.com

Adoption of Medicaid Expansion Is Associated with Lower Maternal Mortality - PubMed

Although maternal mortality overall continues to increase in the United States, the maternal mortality ratio among Medicaid expansion states has increased much less compared with nonexpansion states. These results suggest that Medicaid expansion could be contributing to a relative decrease in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Wider access to health insurance via Medicaid expansion improved cardiac care

Research Highlights: States that participated in the Medicaid expansion provision of the Affordable Care Act, raising the income level to be eligible for Medicaid up to 138% of the federal poverty level, improved several measures of heart disease care ...

newsroom.heart.org

Out-of-hospital cardiac arrests fell under the Affordable Care Act

In Oregon, the rate of cardiac arrests happening outside of hospitals fell significantly after implementation of the Affordable Care Act and its expansion of health insurance coverage, researchers report.

www.reuters.com

Medical care, health have improved for low-income adults under ACA

The Affordable Care Act's health coverage expansions have produced major improvements in medical care and health for low-income adults, including reduced out-of-pocket spending, better access to primary care and preventive services, improved self-reported health, and improved care for those with...

www.eurekalert.org

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-10-09/affordable-care-act-is-helping-young-americans-with-cancer-beat-the-disease

 

[Foxfyre]

Of course it bent the cost curve, excess health care cost growth since it passed fourteen years ago has been roughly zero. That's never happened before over such a long period of time.

Absurd. Aside from the bending of the cost curve, it's lead to record low uninsurance and a huge range of improved health outcomes.

National Uninsured Rate Reaches an All-Time Low in Early 2023

This Data Point examines new National Health Interview Survey (NHIS) data to assess recent changes in health coverage for the population. The most recent data finds that the national uninsured rate for all ages declined 1.9% from 2019 to 2022, with early 2023 data showing even greater decreases...

aspe.hhs.gov

Fewer Patients Dying From Hospital Errors Since Obamacare Started

Report says about 87,000 lives have been saved since 2010.

www.huffpost.com

Yale-led Study Finds the Affordable Care Act Prevented Thousands of Colorectal Cancer Cases and Deaths

Can removing out-of-pocket costs for screening save lives? Screening for cancer and other diseases can identify the disease in its earlier stages of development

ysph.yale.edu

Improved Cancer Survival in States with ACA Medicaid Expansion

An increase in cancer survival rates has been seen in states that implemented Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

www.medscape.com

Decreased lung cancer mortality rates linked to earlier diagnosis, study finds

CT scans and other screenings played a large role in helping to reduce the lung cancer death rate over time.

www.modernhealthcare.com

New research confirms earlier studies showing Medicaid expansion saves lives

For journalists covering the Build Back Better legislation and those in the 12 states that have yet to expand eligibility…

healthjournalism.org

Report: Babies Are More Likely to Die in States That Didn't Expand Medicaid

Infant mortality rates have dropped in expansion states and risen in nonexpansion states.

www.governing.com

Adoption of Medicaid Expansion Is Associated with Lower Maternal Mortality - PubMed

Although maternal mortality overall continues to increase in the United States, the maternal mortality ratio among Medicaid expansion states has increased much less compared with nonexpansion states. These results suggest that Medicaid expansion could be contributing to a relative decrease in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Wider access to health insurance via Medicaid expansion improved cardiac care

Research Highlights: States that participated in the Medicaid expansion provision of the Affordable Care Act, raising the income level to be eligible for Medicaid up to 138% of the federal poverty level, improved several measures of heart disease care ...

newsroom.heart.org

Out-of-hospital cardiac arrests fell under the Affordable Care Act

In Oregon, the rate of cardiac arrests happening outside of hospitals fell significantly after implementation of the Affordable Care Act and its expansion of health insurance coverage, researchers report.

www.reuters.com

Medical care, health have improved for low-income adults under ACA

The Affordable Care Act's health coverage expansions have produced major improvements in medical care and health for low-income adults, including reduced out-of-pocket spending, better access to primary care and preventive services, improved self-reported health, and improved care for those with...

www.eurekalert.org

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-10-09/affordable-care-act-is-helping-young-americans-with-cancer-beat-the-disease

I don't think I can find a single one of my friends over the age of 40 who will say that healthcare costs are down or the same or reasonably up under Obamacare. And even if that graphic is correct, a percentage of the GDP is not a reasonable metric to use to figure the out of pocket costs to most Americans. It may be true that the government is spending less per person but I don't think it is true that people are paying less.

I know our deductibles and copays for many things including many kinds of diagnostic tests, dental costs and hospital stays have doubled and tripled to the point that many refuse recommended tests and treatments because they can no longer easily afford them. The only way I can afford two critical medications I take is via private foundations who pick up most of the cost. If I lose those grants, I don't know what we will do.

And a government defending Obamacare has little incentive to tell us the truth about it.

 

[Greenbeard]

I don't think I can find a single one of my friends over the age of 40 who will say that healthcare costs are down or the same or reasonably up under Obamacare.

Real per beneficiary Medicare costs haven't gone up in 15 years. For forty-five years, real per capita Medicare costs grew like clockwork. When the ACA passed that growth abruptly stopped and hasn’t resumed since.

And even if that graphic is correct, a percentage of the GDP is not a reasonable metric to use to figure the out of pocket costs to most Americans. It may be true that the government is spending less per person but I don't think it is true that people are paying less.

Percentage of GDP is the best metric to use because it measures the actual total cost of the American health care system. Regardless, virtually any way you want to slice it up you'll find the same thing.

I know our deductibles and copays for many things including many kinds of diagnostic tests, dental costs and hospital stays have doubled and tripled to the point that many refuse recommended tests and treatments because they can no longer easily afford them.

Out-of-pocket health care spending in 2010 ($301B) was 2.7% of the nation's disposable personal income. In 2022, the latest year for which we have complete data, it was 2.5% of the nation's disposable personal income.

 

[Foxfyre]

Real per beneficiary Medicare costs haven't gone up in 15 years. For forty-five years, real per capita Medicare costs grew like clockwork. When the ACA passed that growth abruptly stopped and hasn’t resumed since.

Percentage of GDP is the best metric to use because it measures the actual total cost of the American health care system. Regardless, virtually any way you want to slice it up you'll find the same thing.



Out-of-pocket health care spending in 2010 ($301B) was 2.7% of the nation's disposable personal income. In 2022, the latest year for which we have complete data, it was 2.5% of the nation's disposable personal income.

I am spending far more on healthcare for everything now than I did before the ACA. I keep meticulous financial records. Things like MRIs and Ct Scans that used to be covered completely by our insurance now have $300 copays. Medicare doesn't cover more than $1,600 of a hospital stay and the supplemental insurance only picks up some of that.

You can cite self serving government figures until the cows come home, and healthcare is still far more expensive than it has ever been.

 

[Greenbeard]

I am spending far more on healthcare for everything now than I did before the ACA.

If you've been on Medicare for 15 years, then you're in your 80s and I'm not sure why it would surprise you that health care comprises a larger portion of your budget than it did when you were decades younger. That's the nature of the life cycle.

Doesn't really tell us anything about what's been happening with the American health system. Those trends have been clear, we've literally never seen lower cost growth than what we've experienced in the ACA era.

 

[sparky]

The ACA's inception included single payer, which was buried quicker than a cat's biz in a cat box

Ergo, the insurance cabal was let off it's leash, unrestrained unrestricted capitalist medicine

short version> the rich live, the poor die

~S~

 

[Foxfyre]

If you've been on Medicare for 15 years, then you're in your 80s and I'm not sure why it would surprise you that health care comprises a larger portion of your budget than it did when you were decades younger. That's the nature of the life cycle.

Doesn't really tell us anything about what's been happening with the American health system. Those trends have been clear, we've literally never seen lower cost growth than what we've experienced in the ACA era.

Again that is not the experience here. If it is good for you then good for you. But I get tired of people telling me that things are good for me and those I love just because things are good for you.

 

[dblack]

As many predicted when, against the will of the People, Congress passed this mess.

Recall that Senator Feinstein said the phone calls to her office were 90 to 1 against, but she voted for this mess anyway.

Yeah, they don't care about you, Democrats are all about control.

Apparently Republicans are too. ACA is still on the books.

 

[Greenbeard]

Again that is not the experience here. If it is good for you then good for you. But I get tired of people telling me that things are good for me and those I love just because things are good for you.

The prices that Medicare pays for the care you consume--and thus your premiums and cost-sharing responsibilities that flow from those prices--are unambiguously lower under the ACA than they would be without it. Without it you would certainly be paying more than you are.

 

[dblack]

The prices that Medicare pays for the care you consume--and thus your premiums and cost-sharing responsibilities that flow from those prices--are unambiguously lower under the ACA than they would be without it. Without it you would certainly be paying more than you are.

Which insurance company do you work for?

 

[Foxfyre]

The prices that Medicare pays for the care you consume--and thus your premiums and cost-sharing responsibilities that flow from those prices--are unambiguously lower under the ACA than they would be without it. Without it you would certainly be paying more than you are.

Perhaps. But I trust the free market to lower prices a hell of a lot more than I trust government. I know that Medicare plus our Advantage Plan was absolutely great before Obamacare and it has sucked ever since Obamacare became a thing. And no amount of leftist propaganda will change my mind about that, so have a nice day.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Apparently Republicans are too. ACA is still on the books.

Its ok. Johnson has promised to repeal it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Its ok. Johnson has promised to repeal it.

Trump is no longer advocating repealing it in entirety due to the entire country already programmed to accommodate it. It would be an administrative nightmare for all components of healthcare delivery services to have to abruptly change horses. So he is now pushing fixing it. Take the unnecessarily expensive/authoritarian damaging parts out of it and adding things that will allow people far more options and choices that will again create a supply and demand that invariably brings down prices.

It is ridiculous for instance that Obamacare requires Medicare Advantage Plans to include coverage for pregnancy and childbirth.

 

[Zincwarrior]

At one point, an attendee asked Johnson directly: “No Obamacare?” And the speaker, wearing a personalized Trump-Vance jacket, responded: “No Obamacare.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/30/politics/johnson-obamacare-trump/index.html

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Obumner Care is a disaster. Working people paying for deadbeats and working people paying more to insure their own families