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The Absence of Thought

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Question: Is it so much that leftists are wrong in their thought-process or that they in a sense lack any sort of thought-process?

Looking at evidence, the latter seems to hold a great measure of truth.

In adopting a leftist outlook on life, one must in effect suspend reality and attempt to refute common sense. Common sense dictates that spending additional trillions on top of a multi-trillioin dollar national debt is a recipe for disaster. Common sense dictates that raising taxes in an economic recession does not encourage growth. Common sense dictates that the government cannot create wealth through mass redistribution of wealth.

Yet, you see these contradictions propagated over and over without so much as brainwave being triggered in the process of doing so.

Without even mentioning Obama, one can see the jaw-dropping rationale of leftist thought even in George Bush.

"We had to abandon the free market system to save it." ~George W. Bush~

Really?

Just try and think about that one and let me know if it makes any sense to you George.

But, maybe Bush was just going a little senile towards the end of his term, so let's look at Obama.

We are in the midst of a crisis that came about as a result of crushing debts and massive defaults on everything from mortgages to credit cards.

So what do we do?

Build up more debt to combat a debt-driven recession.

I mean, makes sense right?

Who wouldn't pour gasoline on a fire?

Yet, as illogical as it sounds, it still flies. Only 52% of America is actually thinking in disapproving of Obama's completely nonsensical policies.

Meanwhile, those that "approve" of Obama blankly nod their head in consent of spending to solve our spending problem, abandoning free market principles to save them, replacing entitlements with other entitlements in the name of "reform", cutting 0.0025 % of our budget while quadrupling it in the same stroke of a pen, and nationalizing industries in spite of abject nationalization failures such as Amtrak and the USPS.

The definition of insanity is apparent, but the absence of thought does not permit the acceptance of reality and the common sense associated with doing so.

While America is a house with ample fire protection, it is not invulnerable to a persistent inferno.

So let's do ourselves a favor and reject leftism in effort to substitute water for gasoline.
 
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Well, I guess I struck a nerve. Rep bombs, lol.
 

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Take some economics classes. Be sure to focus on the part where you learn the difference between Macro and Micro economics, and eventually that the common sense of someone who doesn't understand economics means NOTHING.
 
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The absense of thought that really struck me was when we had all those French jokes being told by folks who supported the war in Iraq. My attitude was sadness that American lives were being staked on assumption that Iraq would be more grateful.
 
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Four posts before some space cadet links 'thought processes' to the war in Iraq.

It is no wonder some of us view the left as incapable of critical thought.

Of course, I mainly judge people on their inability to make their own case without linking to the media to back it up. As though the media are actually capable of critical thought. It's laughably pathetic.
 

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Take some economics classes. Be sure to focus on the part where you learn the difference between Macro and Micro economics, and eventually that the common sense of someone who doesn't understand economics means NOTHING.

He has a far better grasp on it than you do, skipper.
 

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"We had to abandon the free market system to save it." ~George W. Bush~
Well...they were saving something, that's for damned sure.

Or, to be more accurate, they were saving SOME somebodies bacon from the fire.But the free market?

We've never had a really free market, as some of us apparently think we had.

Such an animal as a truly FREE market is as unlikely as a unicorn.

It would take a complete regrooving of human nature to have a truly free market.

It would require a population of people who don't need a government to live together cooperatively.

And if we had those conditions, then pretty much any system of economics would suffice.

One of the things that amazes me about ideologues of every stripe is that they all seem to believe that their human utopias are possible.


And please note, that ideologues with their utopian plans inevitably depend on a compete change in the way humans interact with each other.

It's like these idiots have never studied the 6000 year long history of mankind.

People lie, people cheat, people steal, people covet, people kill.

People are selfish.

Collectively we can be SO SELFISH that we wil collectively will put their own well being ahead of all others -- even if that means that our benefits are relatively small, but the cost to others is enormous (even leading to the death of millions of us)

Therefore: communism leads to tyranny;capitalism leads to tyranny; Socialism leads to tyranny...in fact, all ISMs lead to tyranny.

Hell they all START OUT flawed (that is to say by creating an elite class giving power to some and not to others) and then they typicallyget worse (more elite more tyrannical) from that point.

Humankind's social organizations, regardless of what they are, generally start out UNfree, then lead to to greater degrees of unFREEDOM.

The best we can hope for is a society that isn't so distopic that it kills the lot of us.

And FWIW, I'm not really sure that we have that, right now.

And I say that because whether or not we truly believe it, this world's population shares the same fate.

This is the century when we either recognize that fact (it is a new development, after all) or we probably won't be here by 2100.

No, I am not a pessimist.

Neither am I an optimist.

I try to be a realist.

I wish more of us would give up our cherished ISMs and started looking at the state of affairs as realistically as is possible.

Human nature, being what it is, and playing out in social psychology as it does, leads me to think that we are not prepared to really deal with the problems facing us.

Technology isn't likely to save us from our own selfish natures.

It is far more likely to kill us, than save us.
 
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attempt to refute common sense. Common sense dictates that spending additional trillions on top of a multi-trillioin dollar national debt is a recipe for disaster.

Depends. If you're spending it on vital infrastructure, it can be a sound investment. Invading a country with no ties to the people who attacked you to finish Daddy's war, on the other hand....
Common sense dictates that raising taxes in an economic recession does not encourage growth

Depends on the existing tax rate- if you accept the Laffer Curve hypothesis- as well as other factors.

. Common sense dictates that the government cannot create wealth through mass redistribution of wealth.

Redistributing wealth can lead to wealth creation, as with small business loans (payed for with someone else's money, be it the government with taxes or a bank with someone else's savings) that help entrepreneurs get started.

Try leaving the partisan talking points behind and really looking at matters.
Without even mentioning Obama, one can see the jaw-dropping rationale of leftist thought even in George Bush.

Are you now saying Bush was a Leftist? :eusa_eh:
We are in the midst of a crisis that came about as a result of crushing debts and massive defaults on everything from mortgages to credit cards.

So what do we do?

Build up more debt to combat a debt-driven recession.

That has to do less with Leftist ideology than with Freshwater economics, with is adhered to by people on both sides of the isle.
Who wouldn't pour gasoline on a fire?

I would, if you were the one on fire.
Yet, as illogical as it sounds, it still flies. Only 52% of America is actually thinking in disapproving of Obama's completely nonsensical policies.

Right... because it's all Obama...
So let's do ourselves a favor and reject leftism in effort to substitute water for gasoline.
And pray we're not dealing in sodium or cesium or anything burning hot enough to convert the water into hydrogen and oxygen, thereby creating more fuel for the fire and fucking us all?

I get the distinct impression you're just another simple partisan hack.
 
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Four posts before some space cadet links 'thought processes' to the war in Iraq.

It is no wonder some of us view the left as incapable of critical thought.

Of course, I mainly judge people on their inability to make their own case without linking to the media to back it up. As though the media are actually capable of critical thought. It's laughably pathetic.

Yeah that sums it up quite nicely, when it come to war it is a no brainer for conservatives with no thought necessary.
 

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☭proletarian☭;2203264 said:
attempt to refute common sense. Common sense dictates that spending additional trillions on top of a multi-trillioin dollar national debt is a recipe for disaster.

Depends. If you're spending it on vital infrastructure, it can be a sound investment. Invading a country with no ties to the people who attacked you to finish Daddy's war, on the other hand....


I get the distinct impression you're just another simple partisan hack.

Vital infrastructure? Really?
I'd suggest a reality check:
The Stimulus Plan: A Detailed List of Spending - ProPublica
How much of the money was spent on "vital infrastructure" and how much merely on more transfer payments?
On the other hand, attacking a country with a 20 year demonstrated history of fomenting terrorism, making U.S. policy credible so we didnt have to attack Libya, and denying bases for terrorists sounds like a great investment to me.
And look in the mirror if you want to see a hack.
 

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☭proletarian☭;2204215 said:
Of course, I mainly judge people on their inability to make their own case without linking to the media to back it up.

So linking to actual sources is a bad thing? :eusa_eh:

Not necessarily, but linking to FACTUAL sources would be a much better thing.

Rick
 
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☭proletarian☭;2204215 said:
Of course, I mainly judge people on their inability to make their own case without linking to the media to back it up.

So linking to actual sources is a bad thing? :eusa_eh:

Not necessarily, but linking to FACTUAL sources would be a much better thing.

Rick


According to CG, linking to ANY source instead of just appealing to your own authority is a bad thing. She said so in this very thread,
 

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Four posts before some space cadet links 'thought processes' to the war in Iraq.

It is no wonder some of us view the left as incapable of critical thought.

Of course, I mainly judge people on their inability to make their own case without linking to the media to back it up. As though the media are actually capable of critical thought. It's laughably pathetic.

I think we've gone there before and decided that since you claim you don't get your information from the media that you get it from some unknown source. Or that you write it yourself. In other words, you just make it up.
 

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☭proletarian☭;2204256 said:
☭proletarian☭;2204215 said:
So linking to actual sources is a bad thing? :eusa_eh:

Not necessarily, but linking to FACTUAL sources would be a much better thing.

Rick


According to CG, linking to ANY source instead of just appealing to your own authority is a bad thing. She said so in this very thread,

I see, so now the only source of anything is "the media." In case you can't read and are relying on someone else to read these posts to you, CG DID NOT say "ANY source" she said "the media." Maybe you might want to try to go back and actually read what you're quoting before you make these wild accusations.

But, back to your question. No, I don't consider linking to a source to be a bad thing, but linking to a FACTUAL source would be much better. I guess it wasn't said clearly enough the first time I posted it.

Rick
 

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Yes and now the White House is ordering Banks to give out more risky loans. Huh?? Say Whaaa? That's how we got into this economic Armageddon in the first place. My prediction is that within 5 to 10 years our Government will be raping the Tax Payers again for massive Corporate Bailouts. They're repeating all the same disastrous mistakes of the past. Are they really expecting different results? Just more Government madness. It's very sad.
 

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Take some economics classes. Be sure to focus on the part where you learn the difference between Macro and Micro economics, and eventually that the common sense of someone who doesn't understand economics means NOTHING.

He has a far better grasp on it than you do, skipper.

If so, he would have offered a better solution.

And therein is the problem: You people rant and rave over what it has cost to save the economy from a free-fall, yet you offer no alternatives other than catch phrases like "the market will take care of itself." Well that's simply not true. If no one had any money, nor any credit, how would the market "take care of itself"?? How many Warren Buffetts would have actually been willing to pump their own money into a failing institution? In 2008 alone, $50 trillion in wealth was lost globally, with America losing over $10 trillion.
 

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Take some economics classes. Be sure to focus on the part where you learn the difference between Macro and Micro economics, and eventually that the common sense of someone who doesn't understand economics means NOTHING.

He has a far better grasp on it than you do, skipper.

If so, he would have offered a better solution.

And therein is the problem: You people rant and rave over what it has cost to save the economy from a free-fall, yet you offer no alternatives other than catch phrases like "the market will take care of itself." Well that's simply not true. If no one had any money, nor any credit, how would the market "take care of itself"?? How many Warren Buffetts would have actually been willing to pump their own money into a failing institution? In 2008 alone, $50 trillion in wealth was lost globally, with America losing over $10 trillion.

Actually almost any solution would have been better than what was done.
But here again you are deflecting. Just like in the Iran thread. When I pointed out Obama's policies were disaster your response was to deflect and ask what I would have done instead. That's irrelevant to the subject, of course.
So too here it is irrelevant what any of us would have done. Obama's policies on the economy have been a disaster, prolonging the recession and ramping up the deficit to dangerous levels.
 

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