The 800lb. Gorilla...

[Hoffstra]

That's what Islamists, Neo Nazis and anti Semites keep saying.

The problem with that is, its a fact.

Israel shares the values of the USA. The 1950's values of the USA.

legal discrimination and segregation.

discussing citizens as being a "fifth column".

directing legislation to help certain ethnic groups and hurt others.

this is the way of the USA...in 1955.

 

[MHunterB]

I just LOVE the kind of "proof" Pbel provides here.... RT, a Pukin-owned "news outlet" and some conspiranutter talk show nonsense.

 

[Hossfly]

That's what Islamists, Neo Nazis and anti Semites keep saying.

The problem with that is, its a fact.

Israel shares the values of the USA. The 1950's values of the USA.

legal discrimination and segregation.

discussing citizens as being a "fifth column".

directing legislation to help certain ethnic groups and hurt others.

this is the way of the USA...in 1955.

Isn't it great how Miss Hoffstra is describing how the non Muslim citizens of the various Muslim nations are treated and will probably always be treated that way? And, Roudy is right. It appears that those with the mind set of Miss Hoffstra all read from the same handbook. We have read the same nonsense year after year. Meanwhile her friends in various countries are busy killing in the name of their religion, and there appears to be no outcry from her about what is happening -- not even a whisper.

 

[georgephillip]

Why do you incessantly continue to prevaricate?

If you have figures to prove I'm prevaricating, share them:

"Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times."

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

 

[toastman]

Why do you incessantly continue to prevaricate?

If you have figures to prove I'm prevaricating, share them:

"Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times."

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Give me a rough estimate George of how many times you posted the EXACT same thing. Just try and guess.

 

[Hossfly]

Why do you incessantly continue to prevaricate?

If you have figures to prove I'm prevaricating, share them:

"Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times."

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Give me a rough estimate George of how many times you posted the EXACT same thing. Just try and guess.

Give Georgie a break. It's the first time he's posted it on this thread.

 

[georgephillip]

I am not for war with Syria. Let's not forget, though, that this whole thing started because Assad gassed his own ppl.

Truth or propaganda?

We were lied into Iraq. We were lied into Libya. Can we follow a pattern?

Yes, Iraq was questionable. But in Libya, there were surely no lies. It was not claimed that Qaddaffi had WMD, since it was known he gave them up years ago. Obama said that we had to go in to prevent a mass slaughter, and considering the 100,000 ppl that were killed in Syria, that probably would've happened in Libya as well.

Here are some numbers from October 2011; I'm not sure what's happened since in Libya since Israel has NOT been invited to join NATO (yet)

"What is now known, however, is that while the death toll in Libya when Nato intervened was perhaps around 1,000-2,000 (judging by UN estimates), eight months later it is probably more than ten times that figure. Estimates of the numbers of dead over the last eight months – as Nato leaders vetoed ceasefires and negotiations – range from 10,000 up to 50,000. The National Transitional Council puts the losses at 30,000 dead and 50,000 wounded."

If the Libyan war was about saving lives, it was a catastrophic failure | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian

There is a concerted effort going on to overthrow the governments in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia, and, most importantly, in Iran. Lies are the least of the crimes of those directing the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims to prop up the US petrodollar.

 

[dilloduck]

Truth or propaganda?

We were lied into Iraq. We were lied into Libya. Can we follow a pattern?

Yes, Iraq was questionable. But in Libya, there were surely no lies. It was not claimed that Qaddaffi had WMD, since it was known he gave them up years ago. Obama said that we had to go in to prevent a mass slaughter, and considering the 100,000 ppl that were killed in Syria, that probably would've happened in Libya as well.

Here are some numbers from October 2011; I'm not sure what's happened since in Libya since Israel has NOT been invited to join NATO (yet)

"What is now known, however, is that while the death toll in Libya when Nato intervened was perhaps around 1,000-2,000 (judging by UN estimates), eight months later it is probably more than ten times that figure. Estimates of the numbers of dead over the last eight months – as Nato leaders vetoed ceasefires and negotiations – range from 10,000 up to 50,000. The National Transitional Council puts the losses at 30,000 dead and 50,000 wounded."

If the Libyan war was about saving lives, it was a catastrophic failure | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian

There is a concerted effort going on to overthrow the governments in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia, and, most importantly, in Iran. Lies are the least of the crimes of those directing the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims to prop up the US petrodollar.

and anyone else who happens to get in the way...

 

[RKMBrown]

Only 19% of the American public supports a US strike on Syria while Israel and her enforcer AIPAC support a strike.

Who will sway Congress and the President, 81% of American citizens or AIPAC and Israel.

My money is on AIPAC which donates heavily to Congress and the Presidency.

Who Governs ME policies? Whose Interests?

AIPAC?s Position (Or Lack of One) on Syria - The Daily Beast

AIPAC’s Position (Or Lack of One) on Syria
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Last week, Politico ran a story on the silence of Jewish pro-Israel lobby groups regarding U.S. intervention into Syria, with a focus on AIPAC. It’s a fair question to ask: AIPAC’s mandate is the strengthening of the U.S.-Israel relationship, it is one of Washington’s most powerful lobbies, and the Syrian civil war does affect American and Israeli interests in the region.


One might, then, expect it to take a public position on the biggest issue of the day, U.S. strikes against the regime’s military assets. And after President Obama announced he was going to Congress for authorization for the attack, observers began wondering—with some claiming more confidently—that AIPAC would become much more active. Apparently White House officials even fear what AIPAC will do. If Obama is seen as not enforcing his red line over Syria, how, one hinted, would this “800-pound gorilla in the room” view the Administration’s Iran policy.


Obama launches push for support on Syria, calls for quick action in Congress

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has failed so far to convince most Americans that the United States should launch a limited military strike against Syria in response to a suspected chemical weapons attack by the Syrian government, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Tuesday.

Some 56 percent of those surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria, while only 19 percent supported action, the online poll found.The findings are essentially unchanged from last week and indicated that Obama changed few minds on Saturday when he argued that Washington has the obligation to punish Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for what the United States says was a sarin gas attack that killed more than 1,400 people, including hundreds of children, near Damascus on August 21.

90% of Americans were against the bailouts too. Remember that when you get to the voting booth. I have no idea why the American public keeps proving the idiocy of voting for pubs and dems for the sole purpose of ensuring sure dems and pubs don't win.

 

[dilloduck]

Only 19% of the American public supports a US strike on Syria while Israel and her enforcer AIPAC support a strike.

Who will sway Congress and the President, 81% of American citizens or AIPAC and Israel.

My money is on AIPAC which donates heavily to Congress and the Presidency.

Who Governs ME policies? Whose Interests?

AIPAC?s Position (Or Lack of One) on Syria - The Daily Beast

AIPAC’s Position (Or Lack of One) on Syria
by Brent E. Sasley Sep 2, 2013 12:00 PM EDT




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Last week, Politico ran a story on the silence of Jewish pro-Israel lobby groups regarding U.S. intervention into Syria, with a focus on AIPAC. It’s a fair question to ask: AIPAC’s mandate is the strengthening of the U.S.-Israel relationship, it is one of Washington’s most powerful lobbies, and the Syrian civil war does affect American and Israeli interests in the region.


One might, then, expect it to take a public position on the biggest issue of the day, U.S. strikes against the regime’s military assets. And after President Obama announced he was going to Congress for authorization for the attack, observers began wondering—with some claiming more confidently—that AIPAC would become much more active. Apparently White House officials even fear what AIPAC will do. If Obama is seen as not enforcing his red line over Syria, how, one hinted, would this “800-pound gorilla in the room” view the Administration’s Iran policy.


Obama launches push for support on Syria, calls for quick action in Congress

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has failed so far to convince most Americans that the United States should launch a limited military strike against Syria in response to a suspected chemical weapons attack by the Syrian government, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Tuesday.

Some 56 percent of those surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria, while only 19 percent supported action, the online poll found.The findings are essentially unchanged from last week and indicated that Obama changed few minds on Saturday when he argued that Washington has the obligation to punish Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for what the United States says was a sarin gas attack that killed more than 1,400 people, including hundreds of children, near Damascus on August 21.

90% of Americans were against the bailouts too. Remember that when you get to the voting booth. I have no idea why the American public keeps proving the idiocy of voting for pubs and dems for the sole purpose of ensuring sure dems and pubs don't win.

It's quite simple. There is no other choice.

 

[Roudy]

That's what Islamists, Neo Nazis and anti Semites keep saying.

The problem with that is, its a fact.

Israel shares the values of the USA. The 1950's values of the USA.

legal discrimination and segregation.

discussing citizens as being a "fifth column".

directing legislation to help certain ethnic groups and hurt others.

this is the way of the USA...in 1955.

No that's what Palestinians and Muslims say about Jews and Christians. Perhaps one should review the Hamas charter, or better yet, Islamic Shariah law which is the law of the land among Palestinians and in many Muslim countries, in one form or another, which legally sanctions the oppression and persecution of non Muslims.

But why state the obvious? No, instead let's point the finger at Israel, which has about 2 million Arab Muslims (about a quarter of its population), that are citizens of Israel with the same exact rights as other Israelis.

As a side note, those Arabs prefer to live in Israel more than any Arab country, because they enjoy a higher standard of living than they would in any Muslim country.

Kudos to the Israelis.

 

[Hoffstra]

No that's what Palestinians and Muslims say about Jews and Christians. Perhaps one should review the Hamas charter, or better yet, Islamic Shariah law which is the law of the land among Palestinians and in many Muslim countries, in one form or another, which legally sanctions the oppression and persecution of non Muslims.

But why state the obvious? No, instead let's point the finger at Israel, which has about 2 million Arab Muslims (about a quarter of its population), that are citizens of Israel with the same exact rights as other Israelis.

As a side note, those Arabs prefer to live in Israel more than any Arab country, because they enjoy a higher standard of living than they would in any Muslim country.

Kudos to the Israelis.

None of this babble changes the fact that Israel has many laws and regulations that would be immediately deemed unConstitutional and discriminatory in the USA.

unless of course we were back in 1955.

 

[Hossfly]

No that's what Palestinians and Muslims say about Jews and Christians. Perhaps one should review the Hamas charter, or better yet, Islamic Shariah law which is the law of the land among Palestinians and in many Muslim countries, in one form or another, which legally sanctions the oppression and persecution of non Muslims.

But why state the obvious? No, instead let's point the finger at Israel, which has about 2 million Arab Muslims (about a quarter of its population), that are citizens of Israel with the same exact rights as other Israelis.

As a side note, those Arabs prefer to live in Israel more than any Arab country, because they enjoy a higher standard of living than they would in any Muslim country.

Kudos to the Israelis.

None of this babble changes the fact that Israel has many laws and regulations that would be immediately deemed unConstitutional and discriminatory in the USA.

unless of course we were back in 1955.

Are you aware, Miss Hoffstra, that in the U.S. in title reports in California it showed that homes could not be sold to Blacks and Chinese, and this appeared into the 1990's? Now you tell us why Israeli Arabs prefer to live in Israel rather than in other Arab countries if Israel is so terrible. Miss Hoffstra is trying so hard to make Israel look so terribly evil. So keep on babbling on from the handbook, Miss Hoffstra, but I think most of the viewers have your number by now.

 

[Hoffstra]

Are you aware, Miss Hoffstra, that in the U.S. in title reports in California it showed that homes could not be sold to Blacks and Chinese, and this appeared into the 1990's? Now you tell us why Israeli Arabs prefer to live in Israel rather than in other Arab countries if Israel is so terrible. Miss Hoffstra is trying so hard to make Israel look so terribly evil. So keep on babbling on from the handbook, Miss Hoffstra, but I think most of the viewers have your number by now.

Jews also prefered living in the Muslim world than the Christian world, centuries ago.

Jews prefered living in the Warsaw ghetto than Auschwitz.

How you like them apples? maybe with a little honey?

 

[Hossfly]

Are you aware, Miss Hoffstra, that in the U.S. in title reports in California it showed that homes could not be sold to Blacks and Chinese, and this appeared into the 1990's? Now you tell us why Israeli Arabs prefer to live in Israel rather than in other Arab countries if Israel is so terrible. Miss Hoffstra is trying so hard to make Israel look so terribly evil. So keep on babbling on from the handbook, Miss Hoffstra, but I think most of the viewers have your number by now.

Jews also prefered living in the Muslim world than the Christian world, centuries ago.

Jews prefered living in the Warsaw ghetto than Auschwitz.

How you like them apples? maybe with a little honey?

Jews have always preferred living in Boca Raton than those other shi'ite holes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you aware, Miss Hoffstra, that in the U.S. in title reports in California it showed that homes could not be sold to Blacks and Chinese, and this appeared into the 1990's? Now you tell us why Israeli Arabs prefer to live in Israel rather than in other Arab countries if Israel is so terrible. Miss Hoffstra is trying so hard to make Israel look so terribly evil. So keep on babbling on from the handbook, Miss Hoffstra, but I think most of the viewers have your number by now.

Jews also prefered living in the Muslim world than the Christian world, centuries ago.

Jews prefered living in the Warsaw ghetto than Auschwitz.

How you like them apples? maybe with a little honey?

Jews have always preferred living in Boca Raton than those other shi'ite holes.

Problem solved.

All Palestinians move to Israel.

All Jews move to Boca Raton.

See, that was easy.

 

[Hoffstra]

Jews also prefered living in the Muslim world than the Christian world, centuries ago.

Jews prefered living in the Warsaw ghetto than Auschwitz.

How you like them apples? maybe with a little honey?

Jews have always preferred living in Boca Raton than those other shi'ite holes.

Problem solved.

All Palestinians move to Israel.

All Jews move to Boca Raton.

See, that was easy.

If the Jews were offered all of Florida in exchange for all of Palestine, they would surely say "YES"!!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jews have always preferred living in Boca Raton than those other shi'ite holes.

Problem solved.

All Palestinians move to Israel.

All Jews move to Boca Raton.

See, that was easy.

If the Jews were offered all of Florida in exchange for all of Palestine, they would surely say "YES"!!!!

Then they would promote the right of return.

For Cubans.

 

[Hossfly]

Jews also prefered living in the Muslim world than the Christian world, centuries ago.

Jews prefered living in the Warsaw ghetto than Auschwitz.

How you like them apples? maybe with a little honey?

Jews have always preferred living in Boca Raton than those other shi'ite holes.

Problem solved.

All Palestinians move to Israel.

All Jews move to Boca Raton.

See, that was easy.

A better idea, Tinnie, is that all Arabs go back to the Saudi Peninsula and give the Christians back their countries which were invaded. By the way, it appears there are a lot of Muslims living in Florida now. How can they bear to breathe the same air as the Jews? How can the rest of them bear to breathe the same air of all of us Infidels here in the U.S. Perhaps Tinnie knows if they intend to take over here in the long run.

 

[Hossfly]

Jews also prefered living in the Muslim world than the Christian world, centuries ago.

Jews prefered living in the Warsaw ghetto than Auschwitz.

How you like them apples? maybe with a little honey?

Jews have always preferred living in Boca Raton than those other shi'ite holes.

Problem solved.

All Palestinians move to Israel.

All Jews move to Boca Raton.

See, that was easy.

I know you are not ready to pack your bags yet, Tinnie, but where do you suggest all the Muslims are sent to from the U.S. The people here are becoming aware of what is happening in Europe and they don't want to see the same thing happening here.
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