The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We may be able to do that if everyone was paying 2000 a month for coverage .

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Ask the people watching shrimp on a treadmill.

Wtf does that even mean?

Well first it means that you are uninformed.
Secondly it is the reason Americans can't have nice things via their taxes.

All countries have dumb shit like that, yet still manage to fund healthcare for all. Except the richest country in the world.

The collapse of the housing & auto industry nearly brought our country to its knees fiscally and you want to double down on the fiscal stupidity.

Simply unreal

 

[Oddball]

I think that the richest country in the world could provide health care for all if it wanted to.

Platitudes aren't arguments, tovarich.

So you're saying that the richest country in the world can't do what tons of less wealthy countries can do? Um... nyet.

Another empty platitude.....You should try your hand at writing bumper stickers.

 

[U2Edge]

Except that in the 19th century you have millions of people in the United States living in Slavery, Women could not vote, and Business often used little children for labor.

Not sure I see the major problem there...

I’m against racially-based slavery but not the practice itself.

I don’t believe women should have any political power. Especially not the vote.

Many children do not have the intellectual power for higher education, and would benefit from apprenticeship and technical/professional training instead of high school.

So you are sexist? Why should women not have any political power? You sound like a member of ISIS.

 

[Taz]

That's Merrucca's problem, too many people like you prefer war over healing.

Both are tools to promote different interests in the population. War favors the strong while healing favors the weak. Even as someone with multiple major health issues I still prefer war over healing.

You're part of the problem. Did you know that?

 

[Oddball]

Except that in the 19th century you have millions of people in the United States living in Slavery, Women could not vote, and Business often used little children for labor.

Not sure I see the major problem there...

I’m against racially-based slavery but not the practice itself.

I don’t believe women should have any political power. Especially not the vote.

Many children do not have the intellectual power for higher education, and would benefit from apprenticeship and technical/professional training instead of high school.

So you are sexist? Why should women not have any political power? You sound like a member of ISIS.

And you sound like a commissar of the Politburo, so it all evens out.

 

[Taz]

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Ask the people watching shrimp on a treadmill.

Wtf does that even mean?

Well first it means that you are uninformed.
Secondly it is the reason Americans can't have nice things via their taxes.

All countries have dumb shit like that, yet still manage to fund healthcare for all. Except the richest country in the world.

The collapse of the housing & auto industry nearly brought our country to its knees fiscally and you want to double down on the fiscal stupidity.

Simply unreal

We got fucked by the banks. And because of that you don't want universal healthcare. Not logical.

 

[Pogo]

I think that the richest country in the world could provide health care for all if it wanted to.

Platitudes aren't arguments, tovarich.

And again, neither is this post.
Have you in fact made any argument at all in this thread since I left yesterday?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Below are the 50 most developed countries in the world ranked according to the UN Human Development index which measures development and standard of living through estimates of GDP per capita, life expectancy, and education. There are a total of 197 countries in the world today. 193 of those countries are part of the United Nations. 45 out of the 50 most developed countries in the world below provide UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for its citizens, essentially medicare for all. The following are the five countries from the list below that do not:

01. Cyprus
02. United Arab Emirates
03. Qatar
04. Bahrain
05. United States

Cyprus is currently In the process of moving to a Universal Healthcare system which will be completed in a few years. That will leave the United States alone with three Arab countries as being the only countries, of the 50 most developed in the world, that do not have Universal HealthCare.

Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens? How could anyone say that Universal HealthCare is impossible or too expensive for the United States when nearly all of the 50 most developed countries in the world provide it for its citizens?


50 MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD RANKED:

01 - Norway
02 - Switzerland
03 - Australia
04 - Ireland
05 - Germany
06 - Iceland
07 - San Marino
08 - Sweden
09 - Singapore
10 - Netherlands
11 - Denmark
12 Canada
13 - United States
14 - United Kingdom
15 - Monaco
16 - Vatican City
17 - Finland
18 - New Zealand
19 - Belgium
20 - Liechtenstein
21 - Japan
22 - Austria
23 - Luxembourg
24 - Israel
25 - Taiwan
26 - South Korea
27 - France
28 - Slovenia
29 - Spain
30 - Czech Republic
31 - Italy
32 - Malta
33 - Estonia
34 - Greece
35 - Cyprus
36 - Poland
37 - United Arab Emirates
38 - Andorra
39 - Lithuania
40 - Qatar
41 - Slovakia
42 - Brunei
43 - Saudi Arabia
44 - Latvia
45 - Portugal
46 - Bahrain
47 - Chile
48 - Hungary
49 - Croatia
50 - Argentina

Quit teasing us and just move to one of these utopian wonderlands.

Well, since the United States is part of the above list, I already live in one. We just need to provide are citizens with universal healthcare like all the other utopia's already do and then were good.

We may be able to do that if everyone was paying 2000 a month for coverage .

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Norway has 5 million people. When they take 60 percent of your income, they can offer you crappy healthcare.

 

[Taz]

I think that the richest country in the world could provide health care for all if it wanted to.

Platitudes aren't arguments, tovarich.

So you're saying that the richest country in the world can't do what tons of less wealthy countries can do? Um... nyet.

Another empty platitude.....You should try your hand at writing bumper stickers.

Like this one?

 

[U2Edge]

Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says

We currently spend considerably MORE than that on healthcare.

All we're talking about is cost shifting

Actually, no we don’t. The figures you see thrown around include much more than what universal healthcare covers, such as over the counter meds, dental, and retirement communities that offer assisted living. You also aren’t told many of these places still require a 30% copay, on top of premium cost. That wait times for specialists takes months, that they don’t include drugs that are considered cost prohibitive, but can save lives. The cover illegal immigrants that the rest of their population has to cover. I could go on and on. And the quality of care over all is less than what we have here in the US.

Western Europeans live longer, have Universal Healthcare, and spend half as much as the United States does on healthcare. Western Europe wins in every category important, providing healthcare to all its people, life expectancy, and the cost.

 

[bripat9643]

Damn, does not believe we should have contact with other countries. That's pretty radical.

Very radical for the 21st Century. Not so radical for the 19th century, when this country was still a decent place to live.

Except that in the 19th century you have millions of people in the United States living in Slavery, Women could not vote, and Business often used little children for labor.

Yeah, because the minute you adopt capitalism you have the internet and 747s flying overhead.

Name one country where the past didn't suck compared to now.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Over 2000 lbs were caught being brought in through the rgv last week. That is what was caught. Figure what wasn’t.

You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says

Nobody was upset about $5 billion for border security, we just didn't want to waste on a stupid useless wall.

Wrong




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Jan 24

Proven effective in San Diego, walls helped stop vehicle drive-throughs, which were a common smuggling technique in the 1990’s. In this 5th video, Chief Scott explains how walls put an end to this dangerous smuggling method.

A static wall can have some utility. But it can stop people who tunnel under the wall, people who climb over, or people who go through legal ports of entry. Most illegal aliens, and most illegal drugs, 90% in fact, come through legal ports of entry.

More drug sniffing dogs, better inspections, more baggage and vehicle checks. That's what will help, not some stupid wall.

Except for where there are no checkpoints or barriers. In those places, a wall will help immensely.

 

[Taz]

Below are the 50 most developed countries in the world ranked according to the UN Human Development index which measures development and standard of living through estimates of GDP per capita, life expectancy, and education. There are a total of 197 countries in the world today. 193 of those countries are part of the United Nations. 45 out of the 50 most developed countries in the world below provide UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for its citizens, essentially medicare for all. The following are the five countries from the list below that do not:

01. Cyprus
02. United Arab Emirates
03. Qatar
04. Bahrain
05. United States

Cyprus is currently In the process of moving to a Universal Healthcare system which will be completed in a few years. That will leave the United States alone with three Arab countries as being the only countries, of the 50 most developed in the world, that do not have Universal HealthCare.

Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens? How could anyone say that Universal HealthCare is impossible or too expensive for the United States when nearly all of the 50 most developed countries in the world provide it for its citizens?


50 MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD RANKED:

01 - Norway
02 - Switzerland
03 - Australia
04 - Ireland
05 - Germany
06 - Iceland
07 - San Marino
08 - Sweden
09 - Singapore
10 - Netherlands
11 - Denmark
12 Canada
13 - United States
14 - United Kingdom
15 - Monaco
16 - Vatican City
17 - Finland
18 - New Zealand
19 - Belgium
20 - Liechtenstein
21 - Japan
22 - Austria
23 - Luxembourg
24 - Israel
25 - Taiwan
26 - South Korea
27 - France
28 - Slovenia
29 - Spain
30 - Czech Republic
31 - Italy
32 - Malta
33 - Estonia
34 - Greece
35 - Cyprus
36 - Poland
37 - United Arab Emirates
38 - Andorra
39 - Lithuania
40 - Qatar
41 - Slovakia
42 - Brunei
43 - Saudi Arabia
44 - Latvia
45 - Portugal
46 - Bahrain
47 - Chile
48 - Hungary
49 - Croatia
50 - Argentina

Quit teasing us and just move to one of these utopian wonderlands.

Well, since the United States is part of the above list, I already live in one. We just need to provide are citizens with universal healthcare like all the other utopia's already do and then were good.

We may be able to do that if everyone was paying 2000 a month for coverage .

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Norway has 5 million people. When they take 60 percent of your income, they can offer you crappy healthcare.

Norway is number 1 best place to live
What we can learn from the ‘best place’

 

[U2Edge]

If there is a country with a better military than the United States military out there, name it.

That Murica can bomb the **** out of everyone better than anyone on the globe, is irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is one of the most wasteful and corrupt parts of the entire Alphabet Soup Mafia....That you'd use it as a model of "success" just shows how disconnected you are from anything resembling reality...Oh, and the VA sucks donkey balls.

Its #1 at what it does and uses a fraction of the money the U.S. health care system does which is 34th in the world based on the life expectancy of its citizens.

 

[bripat9643]

Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says

We currently spend considerably MORE than that on healthcare.

All we're talking about is cost shifting

Actually, no we don’t. The figures you see thrown around include much more than what universal healthcare covers, such as over the counter meds, dental, and retirement communities that offer assisted living. You also aren’t told many of these places still require a 30% copay, on top of premium cost. That wait times for specialists takes months, that they don’t include drugs that are considered cost prohibitive, but can save lives. The cover illegal immigrants that the rest of their population has to cover. I could go on and on. And the quality of care over all is less than what we have here in the US.

Western Europeans live longer, have Universal Healthcare, and spend half as much as the United States does on healthcare. Western Europe wins in every category important, providing healthcare to all its people, life expectancy, and the cost.

So what you're saying is that if we want a better life expectancy, we should get rid of all the brown people so we can be more like Western Europe?

 

[Likkmee]

Private healthcare in the United States is already like that. My brother in law broke his knee in a car accident and was taken to the hospital in Miami. After being discharged from the emergency room, he asked for wheel chair. He was told that he did not need one because "nothing was broken, and that he needed to MAN UP"! That's private health care for you. People are only there for a pay check. They are not actually there because their interested in caring for people. That's why the United States is 34th in life expectancy despite spending more per person on healthcare than any country in the world.

And nothing says "caring" like a massive and unaccountable federal bureaucracy.....Rube.

So you think Merrucca is the only country like that?

No I don't...In fact, I just debunked the idiotic analogy the the OP is trying to make, between the "effectiveness" of the Pentagon and what gubmint-run medical care monopoly would look like.

But I suppose you want the VA for all too, huh?

I think that the richest country in the world could provide health care for all if it wanted to.

Per capita / They do. Switzerland

 

[bripat9643]

Quit teasing us and just move to one of these utopian wonderlands.

Well, since the United States is part of the above list, I already live in one. We just need to provide are citizens with universal healthcare like all the other utopia's already do and then were good.

We may be able to do that if everyone was paying 2000 a month for coverage .

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Norway has 5 million people. When they take 60 percent of your income, they can offer you crappy healthcare.

Norway is number 1 best place to live
What we can learn from the ‘best place’

Make sure your country is situated over an ocean of oil.

 

[U2Edge]

“Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens?”

Because conservatives have successfully propagated the lie that in addition to being ‘too expensive,’ providing all Americans access to affordable healthcare will ‘destroy capitalism’ and make America ‘socialist’ – when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

Well, there is a lot of capitalism among those 50 most developed countries. I mean, most Billionaires in the world live in those 50 most developed countries. Most of the large private Business's, Large corporations, multi-national corporations in the world are located in those 50 most developed countries. I would also say that most business activity in the world and most profit is made in those 50 most developed countries. With the exception of five of them, all of them provide Universal Healthcare of their citizens. Rather than being unusual, Universal Healthcare is a common feature among wealthy, developed, capitalist, democratic countries.

There are only five oddballs that don't provide among the 50:

01. Cyprus - within 5 years Cyprus will have Universal Healthcare
02. Bahrain
03. United Arab Emirates
04. Qatar
05. United States

I think the United States has a lot to learn from the other 49 most developed countries in the world.

Look no further than the VA if you want to see how "Universal Health Care" would go. Only it would be twice as bad as the VA.

Well, with Universal Healthcare in Japan, Italy and France, the people there live longer than in the United States. Works just fine, everyone is covered, and those countries only spend half of what the United States does on healthcare as a percentage of GDP.

Then move

Problem solved

I'm interested in making my country a better place to live. I wanted it to be #1 in healthcare and quality of life.

 

[bripat9643]

If there is a country with a better military than the United States military out there, name it.

That Murica can bomb the **** out of everyone better than anyone on the globe, is irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is one of the most wasteful and corrupt parts of the entire Alphabet Soup Mafia....That you'd use it as a model of "success" just shows how disconnected you are from anything resembling reality...Oh, and the VA sucks donkey balls.

Its #1 at what it does and uses a fraction of the money the U.S. health care system does which is 34th in the world based on the life expectancy of its citizens.

The 34th ranking isn't based solely on life expectancy, nimrod. And life expectancy isn't determined solely by the quality of your healthcare system. After achieving a certain minimum, it's largely based on diet and habits like smoking or drinking.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

“Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens?”

Because conservatives have successfully propagated the lie that in addition to being ‘too expensive,’ providing all Americans access to affordable healthcare will ‘destroy capitalism’ and make America ‘socialist’ – when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

Well, there is a lot of capitalism among those 50 most developed countries. I mean, most Billionaires in the world live in those 50 most developed countries. Most of the large private Business's, Large corporations, multi-national corporations in the world are located in those 50 most developed countries. I would also say that most business activity in the world and most profit is made in those 50 most developed countries. With the exception of five of them, all of them provide Universal Healthcare of their citizens. Rather than being unusual, Universal Healthcare is a common feature among wealthy, developed, capitalist, democratic countries.

There are only five oddballs that don't provide among the 50:

01. Cyprus - within 5 years Cyprus will have Universal Healthcare
02. Bahrain
03. United Arab Emirates
04. Qatar
05. United States

I think the United States has a lot to learn from the other 49 most developed countries in the world.

How many of these countries are even close to the size of the US in terms of population? Of these countries how many have the doctors and scientists that the US has? Why do so many of the wealthy people in other countries come to the US for medical treatment and innovation. Lastly how many of these countries have the military budget, innovation and prowess of the US? You are looking at one data point vs many. No one is denied healthcare in the US so technically we have universal healthcare it’s just that those can afford better healthcare do so openly vs. on the down low in the countries that you listed.