The 14th Amendment Protected the Civil Rights of Freed Slaves, Not Illegal Aliens

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The 14th Amendment Protected the Civil Rights of Freed Slaves,

Not Illegal Aliens

There's no such thing as birthright citizenship.

22 Jan 2025 ~~ By Daniel Greenfield

I have said it before and I will say it again, the 14th Amendment is by far the worst amendment to the Constitution. It broke every possible rule of constitutional government beginning with simplicity and timelessness. The 14th is a sprawling mess meant to deal with immediate problems that used sloppy broad language and quickly became a magnet for every leftist effort to conduct backdoor rewrites of the law.
Consider that in just the last few years, Democrats used 4 of the 5 sections of the 14th to argue that…
  1. That Trump was ineligible to hold office
  2. That Congress was obligated to raise the debt limit
  3. That men who pretend they’re women are entitled to do sand now
  4. That illegal aliens born in this country are automatically citizens
We know exactly what Section 1 of the 14th was aimed at. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside” was meant to protect the civil rights of freed slaves. It did not mean that anyone who happened to give birth in this country automatically made their kid a citizen, but that’s the absurd premise of birthright citizenship.
And the current Trump executive order meant to apply to future children of illegal aliens is being challenged on the basis of the Fourteenth. This battle is almost certainly going to end up in the Supreme Court which should be interesting, though far from an inevitable happy outcome. If you think Neil or Amy are going to vote to eliminate birthright citizenship, well good luck with that. Ideally we should repeal old number fourteen which is probably the sloppiest and messiest of the amendments. If you doubt that, go look up at that list above.
Not likely to happen, but a man can dream.
There’s no such thing as birthright citizenship. Or any of the other things that Dems keep finding in the 14th Amendment which was not written to do any of these things.

Commentary:
As I've previously stated, you can't unring the bell, but you can stop it from ringing.
As Kamaltoe would say, You can't change what has been, nut you must change what is to be...
The current Trump executive order meant to apply to future children of illegal aliens is being challenged on the basis of the Fourteenth Amendment. This battle is almost certainly going to end up in the Supreme Court which should be interesting, though far from an inevitable happy outcome. Ideally we should repeal old number fourteen which is probably the sloppiest and messiest of the amendments.
Without the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” the birthright citizenship people would have a point. But no person who comes into the United States illegally is under the jurisdiction of the United States (or of any state for that matter) and as such is not entitled to birthright citizenship–that is unless the drafters of that amendment stuck that phrase in there just for the heck of it
 
The SC disagrees with you. US vs Kim Wong Ark. It's been settled law, since 1898.

Of course, we do understand that precedent means nothing to the hyper-judicial-activists currently on the SC. This is Trumpworld, and the law is whatever some bribed corrupt justices say it is.
Kim Wong Ark was a LEGAL immigrant, NOT an illegal one.
 
Kim Wong Ark was a LEGAL immigrant, NOT an illegal one.
Kim Wong Ark was born in the USA, left to visit China, and then was denied re-entry on the grounds he wasn't a citizen.

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside” means just what it says.

If you're in the USA, and you're not a diplomat, then you're subject to its jurisidiction. Illegal aliens are absolutely under the jurisdiction of the USA -- they have to obey US laws. Hence birthright citizenship.
 

The 14th Amendment Protected the Civil Rights of Freed Slaves,

Not Illegal Aliens

There's no such thing as birthright citizenship.

22 Jan 2025 ~~ By Daniel Greenfield

I have said it before and I will say it again, the 14th Amendment is by far the worst amendment to the Constitution. It broke every possible rule of constitutional government beginning with simplicity and timelessness. The 14th is a sprawling mess meant to deal with immediate problems that used sloppy broad language and quickly became a magnet for every leftist effort to conduct backdoor rewrites of the law.
Consider that in just the last few years, Democrats used 4 of the 5 sections of the 14th to argue that…
  1. That Trump was ineligible to hold office
  2. That Congress was obligated to raise the debt limit
  3. That men who pretend they’re women are entitled to do sand now
  4. That illegal aliens born in this country are automatically citizens
We know exactly what Section 1 of the 14th was aimed at. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside” was meant to protect the civil rights of freed slaves. It did not mean that anyone who happened to give birth in this country automatically made their kid a citizen, but that’s the absurd premise of birthright citizenship.
And the current Trump executive order meant to apply to future children of illegal aliens is being challenged on the basis of the Fourteenth. This battle is almost certainly going to end up in the Supreme Court which should be interesting, though far from an inevitable happy outcome. If you think Neil or Amy are going to vote to eliminate birthright citizenship, well good luck with that. Ideally we should repeal old number fourteen which is probably the sloppiest and messiest of the amendments. If you doubt that, go look up at that list above.
Not likely to happen, but a man can dream.
There’s no such thing as birthright citizenship. Or any of the other things that Dems keep finding in the 14th Amendment which was not written to do any of these things.

Commentary:
As I've previously stated, you can't unring the bell, but you can stop it from ringing.
As Kamaltoe would say, You can't change what has been, nut you must change what is to be...
The current Trump executive order meant to apply to future children of illegal aliens is being challenged on the basis of the Fourteenth Amendment. This battle is almost certainly going to end up in the Supreme Court which should be interesting, though far from an inevitable happy outcome. Ideally we should repeal old number fourteen which is probably the sloppiest and messiest of the amendments.
Without the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” the birthright citizenship people would have a point. But no person who comes into the United States illegally is under the jurisdiction of the United States (or of any state for that matter) and as such is not entitled to birthright citizenship–that is unless the drafters of that amendment stuck that phrase in there just for the heck of it
a truly keeper post keeper thread

the complete idiocy of it is astounding.

The 14th Amendment Protected the Civil Rights of Freed Slaves, Not Illegal Aliens​


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