Thank God for secularism

[Zincwarrior]

BUT, you libtards would give the muslims a pass. You know you would.

Let me rephase, I bet you already have.

So you object to it. Thank you for conceding the point.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Get rid of pride crap and then you can ***** about religion being in schools.

That "pride crap" is nothing to do with me, so I'll speak when I want to.

 

[Correll]

That was not the question, do you think their views on a rewriting of holocaust history by a German government matter or not? do you think their views have any relevance or we can just ignore them?

It is the question. You are not asking if their views matter, you are asking if their views matter MORE.

And the answer is a solid no.

I've been clear on this. Please stop asking teh same racist question. Address my answer now.

Here's a real American as I was raised to perceive the term as a young man, I am not anti what he represents, but you are...

YOu are the one pushing the idea that some groups are morally superior to others and that teh lesser races must always defer to the more advanced races.


I reject your anti-American position.


All men are created equal. That is MAGA. That is AMERICA.

You filthy racist commie.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Of course it does, it means they interpret Christ's command to pray in private as not a command to pray in private.



One cannot escape the interpretation problem.

You keep quoting Matthew 6: 5-8 as per your own interpretation that it is Christ’s command for people to only pray in private. He’s telling people not to be ******* hypocrites when it comes to prayer. You are using the passage as per your own preference that people not pray aloud.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Do those people worship God of the Bible or Allah?

I have no idea, only God knows a person's heart. Most Christians and Jews don't worship the God of the Bible.

 

[theHawk]

The founding document says the federal government must remain neutral in religious matters. My guess is Hawk doesn't want the government endorsing one religion over another. He recognizes legitimate government authority, but understands that the government has no legitimate authority to teach or prescribe religious teachings.

It ain't rocket science.

Edit, not Hawk but Sherlock.

Displaying the Ten Commandments in the classroom does not equate the Federal government recognizing a religion.

States and local governments are allowed to.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

BUT, you libtards would give the muslims a pass. You know you would.

Let me rephase, I bet you already have.

Man you got it bad today - I truly hope you don't go postal...

 

[Zincwarrior]

Displaying the Ten Commandments in the classroom does not equate the Federal government recognizing a religion.

States and local governments are allowed to.

Multiple courts have said you are completely wrong.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You keep quoting Matthew 6: 5-8 as per your own interpretation that it is Christ’s command for people to only pray in private. He’s telling people not to be ******* hypocrites when it comes to prayer.

See? you are now telling me your interpretation, what he "really" meant!

You are using the passage as per your own preference that people not pray aloud.

Exactly, I have an interpretation (we all do) and I would not impose that on others as the "right" interpretation.

The problem vanishes when we all agree to not select and display specific bit of scripture in our classrooms and no harm is done.

It is wrong to tell people that there is an "official" state approved interpretation of scripture. The Pharisees did that and used it justify the execution of Jesus.

 

[Correll]

Man you got it bad today - I truly hope you don't go postal...

Your shit talk is dismissed.

I assume that someone else will post an example by this time tomorrow.

 

[theHawk]

No, I approve of legitimate authority (Police, TSA etc) but I do not approve of a religious or theological authority deciding how my kids should interpret the Bible.

Just to be clear, this is what it means:

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The premise of the OP article is based on a fallacy:

“They say the requirement violates the first amendment’s protections for the separation of church and state and the right to free religious exercise.”

There is no requirement in the First Amendment for “separation of church and state”. This does not exist anywhere in the Constitution.

In fact, most states had endorsed religions and required public officials to be in those denominations.

On your fascism definition, can you tell us who the dictator is? That is the first requirement in your definition. Are we under a dictatorship, yes or no?

Funny how “heavy use of media and education” for propaganda sounds a lot like how our Democrats operate.

So by your own definition, we aren’t a fascist state, nor does MAGA promote those ideas.

 

[martybegan]

Ok. Take it up with the school board. Thats a strawman, not a religion.

By your own statement thats optional, but it proves my point. If the school required Muslim prayer five times a day in school, it would be Unconstitutional to the nonMuslims.

Typical dodge from you. try arguing a point instead of deflecting.

 

[martybegan]

No. One violates the Constitution. The other take up with the school board.
A reminder: SCOTUS recently ordered that students could opt out of LGBTQ items in class.

Pride is the same as religion in this situation, it's forced teaching of morality, and forced celebration of a moral position.

They shouldn't be there in the first place.

 

[martybegan]

That "pride crap" is nothing to do with me, so I'll speak when I want to.

All part of the same fight.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The premise of the OP article is based on a fallacy:

“They say the requirement violates the first amendment’s protections for the separation of church and state and the right to free religious exercise.”

There is no requirement in the First Amendment for “separation of church and state”. This does not exist anywhere in the Constitution.

That's the writer's interpretation of the constitution, it clearly wasn't a direct quote.

In fact, most states had endorsed religions and required public officials to be in those denominations.

On your fascism definition, can you tell us who the dictator is? That is the first requirement in your definition. Are we under a dictatorship, yes or no?

Trump and Yes.

Funny how “heavy use of media and education” for propaganda sounds a lot like how our Democrats operate.

So by your own definition, we aren’t a fascist state not does MAGA promote those ideas.

Again you and I interpret events differently, you cannot prove trump is not a dictator, you cannot prove the US is not becoming a fascist state. You can argue this or that and you might convince some people that you're correct but it's all a matter of interpretation.

IMHO opinion dedicated magats are in denial, they have trained themselves to simply reject and laugh at the suggestion we are turning fascists. There's no real reasoning, it's just a knee-jerk we-don't'give-a-shit blanket rejection.

The reason for that too is likely ego, few magats have the strength of character to admit error and review their position, just like trump whom they revere, admitting error, admitting doing or saying the wrong thing is outside of their value system.

 

[LeftofLeft]

See? you are now telling me your interpretation, what he "really" meant!

Exactly, I have an interpretation (we all do) and I would not impose that on others as the "right" interpretation.

The problem vanishes when we all agree to not select and display specific bit of scripture in our classrooms and no harm is done.

It is wrong to tell people that there is an "official" state approved interpretation of scripture. The Pharisees did that and used it justify the execution of Jesus.

So I’m advocating for everyone to have the right to speak / pray aloud about his/her interpretation of their religion in a public school setting.

You raise a fascinating point about interpretation which can be applied to public schools’ curriculum’s interpretation of Climate Change, History, English, Math, Critical Race Theory.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

On your fascism definition, can you tell us who the dictator is?

 

[The Duke]

Democrats do nothing but gaslight Americans.

If the 10 commandments were bad for Americans, democrats would post them everywhere.

They were in America's 1st textbook for schools. The New England Primer.

The New-England primer : Johnson, Henry R., bookseller. MB : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Cover title; imprint transposed from printers' device on back cover

archive.org

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I figured it'd be ruled unconstitutional.

That said now let's work on getting the pride, trans, faggotry out of schools as well.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

So I’m advocating for everyone to have the right to speak / pray aloud about his/her interpretation of their religion in a public school setting.

You have that right, advocate all you want.

You raise a fascinating point about interpretation which can be applied to public schools’ curriculum’s interpretation of Climate Change, History, English, Math, Critical Race Theory.

Yes, absolutely. But with theological matters, these are called out in the constitution hence this thread.

I'm all for skepticism, always have been, in fact I think we'd be a far better nation if we taught philosophy in our schools as a standard subject.

Different people do see things in different ways.