Terri Schiavo's Husband: Jeb Bush 'Put Me Through Hell'

[Faun]

Why do you assholes keep going on about her so called vegetative state? This is as stupid as continually going on about Zimmerman and stand your ground.

Her husband wanted to get her nuked not because of her state but because of her so called "she told me one time" she didn't want to live this way.

All your bullshit about a vegetative state is exactly that.

Bullshit. He got her legally offed by saying she didn't want to live this way.

Whine to the doctors who diagnosed her. Better yet, whine to the doctors who autopsied her and confirmed the formers' diagnosis.

 

[WorldWatcher]

And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely.

Well that's not true.


"Turning to the medical issues of the case, the court finds beyond all doubt that Theresa Marie Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state or the same as defined by Florida Statutes Section 765.101(12) per the specific testimony of Dr. James Barnhill and corroborated by Dr. VIncent Gambone. The medical evidence before this court conclusively establishes that she has no hope of ever regaining consciousness..." trialctorder02-00.pdf


"Evidence presented by Michael Schiavo’s two physicians and the fifth physician selected by the court was reasonably deemed clear and convincing in support of Theresa being in a persistent vegetative state with no hope for improvement." GuardianAdLitemReportSchiavo.pdf


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Like I said, the doctors said unlikely. Tampabay Terri Schiavo unlikely to recover doctor says

No what you said was, and I quote: "And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely."


I provided links to where 5 doctors presented evidence before the court where they said there was no hope of recovery. You made a false statement, you should just man-up and admit you were wrong.


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[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely.

Well that's not true.


"Turning to the medical issues of the case, the court finds beyond all doubt that Theresa Marie Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state or the same as defined by Florida Statutes Section 765.101(12) per the specific testimony of Dr. James Barnhill and corroborated by Dr. VIncent Gambone. The medical evidence before this court conclusively establishes that she has no hope of ever regaining consciousness..." trialctorder02-00.pdf


"Evidence presented by Michael Schiavo’s two physicians and the fifth physician selected by the court was reasonably deemed clear and convincing in support of Theresa being in a persistent vegetative state with no hope for improvement." GuardianAdLitemReportSchiavo.pdf


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Like I said, the doctors said unlikely. Tampabay Terri Schiavo unlikely to recover doctor says

No what you said was, and I quote: "And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely."


I provided links to where 5 doctors presented evidence before the court where they said there was no hope of recovery. You made a false statement, you should just man-up and admit you were wrong.


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And I posted a link saying doctors said her condition was unlikely to improve. Doctors, plural, meaning one link trumps your five.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that she's alive. A terminal cancer patient also is unlikely to recover, does that mean we just do them in as soon as we determine there's no hope?

You people have A LOT in common with the Nazis.

A LOT!

 

[Faun]

And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely.

Well that's not true.


"Turning to the medical issues of the case, the court finds beyond all doubt that Theresa Marie Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state or the same as defined by Florida Statutes Section 765.101(12) per the specific testimony of Dr. James Barnhill and corroborated by Dr. VIncent Gambone. The medical evidence before this court conclusively establishes that she has no hope of ever regaining consciousness..." trialctorder02-00.pdf


"Evidence presented by Michael Schiavo’s two physicians and the fifth physician selected by the court was reasonably deemed clear and convincing in support of Theresa being in a persistent vegetative state with no hope for improvement." GuardianAdLitemReportSchiavo.pdf


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Like I said, the doctors said unlikely. Tampabay Terri Schiavo unlikely to recover doctor says

No what you said was, and I quote: "And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely."


I provided links to where 5 doctors presented evidence before the court where they said there was no hope of recovery. You made a false statement, you should just man-up and admit you were wrong.


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And I posted a link saying doctors said her condition was unlikely to improve. Doctors, plural, meaning one link trumps your five.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that she's alive. A terminal cancer patient also is unlikely to recover, does that mean we just do them in as soon as we determine there's no hope?

You people have A LOT in common with the Nazis.

A LOT!

Poor , demented, Sitting Bullshit.

As WW poignantly pointed out, your exact quote was, "and no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely. Do you have a link to prove your bullshit claim?" You'll note "doctor" is singular, as in your fallacious claim that no doctor said it at all. Not only did I post a link to a doctor who said outright that her condition was "irreversible" (something you foolishly denied), I even posted a link showing that just being in a persistent vegetative state in Florida means such a patient's condition is considered irreversible. And even though I only found one to use the term, "irreversible," there were several who diagnosed her as being in a persistent vegetative state; which means her condition was irreversible.

And even you said you would want the plug pulled (clarifying that is a proverbial plug for those less intelligent enough to be familiar with the expression) if you were in that state and there was no hope. Yet you feel she should not have had the same privilege you would want for yourself.

Guess what that makes you, Sitting Bullshit ... ?

A hypocrite.

 

[WorldWatcher]

And I posted a link saying doctors said her condition was unlikely to improve. Doctors, plural, meaning one link trumps your five.

Let me repeat what you said: ""And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely."

I provide proof that 2 doctors in the original case and 3 doctors in the later review said that the condition was irreversible. You claim that no doctor said it was irreversible was false.

Then let review the report of the Guardian Ad Litem (court appointed legal guardian who's purpose was to provide a dispassionate report on the case) and the qualify and believabiity of the various doctors:

By May of 2002, the physicians were selected by both sides, but no agreement could be reached about a fifth, so the court selected one. Curiously and surprisingly, Dr. Webber, who had served as the basis for this entire process at the 2nd DCA, did not participate in the exams or the procedure.

Each of the physicians was afforded access to Theresa for the purpose of conducting a thorough examination. Video tape recordings were made of some of the examinations along with segments in which family members interacted with Theresa. The physicians were deposed and proffered testimony regarding their findings.

Written reports of the examinations were prepared by all five physicians, and a very detailed hearing was held in October of 2002.

The clinical evidence presented by the five physicians reflected their examinations and reviews of the medical records. Four of the physicians were board certified in neurology, as suggested by the court, and one physician was board certified in radiology and hyperbaric medicine. All of the physicians had excellent pedigrees of medical training.

The scientific quality, value and relevance of the testimony varied. The two neurologists testifying for Michael Schiavo provided strong, academically based, and scientifically supported evidence that was reasonably deemed clear and convincing by the court. Of the two physicians testifying for the Schindlers, only one was a neurologist, the other was a radiologist/hyperbaric physician. The testimony of the Schindler’s physicians was substantially anecdotal, and was reasonably deemed to be not clear and convincing.

The fifth physician, chosen by the court because the two parties could not agree, presented scientifically grounded, academically based evidence that was reasonably deemed to be clear and convincing by the court.​

GuardianAdLitemReportSchiavo.pdf


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[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And I posted a link saying doctors said her condition was unlikely to improve. Doctors, plural, meaning one link trumps your five.

Let me repeat what you said: ""And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely."

I provide proof that 2 doctors in the original case and 3 doctors in the later review said that the condition was irreversible. You claim that no doctor said it was irreversible was false.

Then let review the report of the Guardian Ad Litem (court appointed legal guardian who's purpose was to provide a dispassionate report on the case) and the qualify and believabiity of the various doctors:

By May of 2002, the physicians were selected by both sides, but no agreement could be reached about a fifth, so the court selected one. Curiously and surprisingly, Dr. Webber, who had served as the basis for this entire process at the 2nd DCA, did not participate in the exams or the procedure.

Each of the physicians was afforded access to Theresa for the purpose of conducting a thorough examination. Video tape recordings were made of some of the examinations along with segments in which family members interacted with Theresa. The physicians were deposed and proffered testimony regarding their findings.

Written reports of the examinations were prepared by all five physicians, and a very detailed hearing was held in October of 2002.

The clinical evidence presented by the five physicians reflected their examinations and reviews of the medical records. Four of the physicians were board certified in neurology, as suggested by the court, and one physician was board certified in radiology and hyperbaric medicine. All of the physicians had excellent pedigrees of medical training.

The scientific quality, value and relevance of the testimony varied. The two neurologists testifying for Michael Schiavo provided strong, academically based, and scientifically supported evidence that was reasonably deemed clear and convincing by the court. Of the two physicians testifying for the Schindlers, only one was a neurologist, the other was a radiologist/hyperbaric physician. The testimony of the Schindler’s physicians was substantially anecdotal, and was reasonably deemed to be not clear and convincing.

The fifth physician, chosen by the court because the two parties could not agree, presented scientifically grounded, academically based evidence that was reasonably deemed to be clear and convincing by the court.​

GuardianAdLitemReportSchiavo.pdf


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You brought nothing new and I'm not repeating myself. Have a nice day.

 

[WorldWatcher]

And I posted a link saying doctors said her condition was unlikely to improve. Doctors, plural, meaning one link trumps your five.

Let me repeat what you said: ""And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely."

I provide proof that 2 doctors in the original case and 3 doctors in the later review said that the condition was irreversible. You claim that no doctor said it was irreversible was false.

Then let review the report of the Guardian Ad Litem (court appointed legal guardian who's purpose was to provide a dispassionate report on the case) and the qualify and believabiity of the various doctors:

By May of 2002, the physicians were selected by both sides, but no agreement could be reached about a fifth, so the court selected one. Curiously and surprisingly, Dr. Webber, who had served as the basis for this entire process at the 2nd DCA, did not participate in the exams or the procedure.

Each of the physicians was afforded access to Theresa for the purpose of conducting a thorough examination. Video tape recordings were made of some of the examinations along with segments in which family members interacted with Theresa. The physicians were deposed and proffered testimony regarding their findings.

Written reports of the examinations were prepared by all five physicians, and a very detailed hearing was held in October of 2002.

The clinical evidence presented by the five physicians reflected their examinations and reviews of the medical records. Four of the physicians were board certified in neurology, as suggested by the court, and one physician was board certified in radiology and hyperbaric medicine. All of the physicians had excellent pedigrees of medical training.

The scientific quality, value and relevance of the testimony varied. The two neurologists testifying for Michael Schiavo provided strong, academically based, and scientifically supported evidence that was reasonably deemed clear and convincing by the court. Of the two physicians testifying for the Schindlers, only one was a neurologist, the other was a radiologist/hyperbaric physician. The testimony of the Schindler’s physicians was substantially anecdotal, and was reasonably deemed to be not clear and convincing.

The fifth physician, chosen by the court because the two parties could not agree, presented scientifically grounded, academically based evidence that was reasonably deemed to be clear and convincing by the court.​

GuardianAdLitemReportSchiavo.pdf


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You brought nothing new and I'm not repeating myself. Have a nice day.

I can understand your not wanting to repeat ""And no doctor said it was irreversible, only that it was unlikely." since it was false.

It's a shame you don't have the balls to simply admit you were wrong. But then again that takes a certain amount of honor - do you have it?

You have a nice day also.


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[Lakhota]

Yep, ole Jeb looks like dead meat.

 

[thanatos144]

Yep, ole Jeb looks like dead meat.

It has nothing to do with death worshipers like you and everthing with the fact he is a rino

 

[Faun]

Yep, ole Jeb looks like dead meat.

It has nothing to do with death worshipers like you and everthing with the fact he is a rino

Oh? What makes him a rino?

 

[thanatos144]

Yep, ole Jeb looks like dead meat.

It has nothing to do with death worshipers like you and everthing with the fact he is a rino

Oh? What makes him a rino?

Why do you care? It isnt like you would vote for him seeing as he isn't fond of killing the unborn

 

[Dana7360]

Really, Plug? That's all it takes to condemn a living woman to death is swallowing? It sounds so arbitrary. So everyone with dysphagia should be offed? Maybe we can include people who can't walk, see, or hear too. Only the strong and able bodied survive in your world.

What gets me is how you on the immoral Left scream like banshees when we call you Nazis.

Because as it turns out, you like to kill off the weak and defenseless too.

Poor, demented Sitting Bullshit. People who are in an irreversible persistent vegetative state have the right to not be forced to remain in that state. And in cases where they don't state their wishes prior to ending up like that, their next of kin is trusted with making that choice for them.

What about you? How long would you want to be kept alive in that state?

For as long as there is hope. That's what the culture-of-death Left is bereft of. Hope.

Sounds like you agree with Michael Schiavo then since there was no hope for Terri to recover. Half her brain was gone and her condition was irreversible.

That's the lot of those who live apart from the love of Jesus; hopelessness, despair, death, and then eternal separation from God.

I feel sad for you.

Sad for what? My faith informs me that people like you will never see the Kingdom of G-d.

No, I don't agree with a murderer that finished off his wife, so great was his fear that she would recover and finger him as the person responsible for what happened to her. The very fact that he was so determined to kill her was proof that he didn't believe what you said, that she was beyond all hope of recovery.

And your faith is leading you to hell, like many faiths are. "For there is no other name under heaven, given among men, by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Jesus is the way to God, and there is salvation in no other.

How could you not agree? You said as long as there's hope; and with half her brain disolved to liquid, there was no hope.

As far as your pagan faith, regrettably, you will learn the hard way.

I usually agree with everything you say.

However I'm offended by your last sentence.

No one knows if there's a christian god. No one knows if there's a pagan god. It's all faith.

It's wrong to discount and disrespect someone else's faith.

I happen to be pagan and I don't appreciate being told that my faith is wrong and someone else's is right. It's a personal choice made by each individual.

How would you like it if I told you the same thing about your christian faith? I would never do such a thing because I respect all faiths.

I wish everyone else respected all faiths. This world would have less violence and hate.

 

[Dana7360]

No, I don't agree with a murderer that finished off his wife, so great was his fear that she would recover and finger him as the person responsible for what happened to her. The very fact that he was so determined to kill her was proof that he didn't believe what you said, that she was beyond all hope of recovery.

And your faith is leading you to hell, like many faiths are. "For there is no other name under heaven, given among men, by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Jesus is the way to God, and there is salvation in no other.

How could you not agree? You said as long as there's hope; and with half her brain disolved to liquid, there was no hope.

As far as your pagan faith, regrettably, you will learn the hard way.

That's your opinion. On both counts. You don't need much of an excuse to kill people. Just about any will do.

On the religion angle, your affinity with death and killing is proof of the devil you serve....no matter what name you pray to him by.

Nope, not my opinion. Stated fact by the physicians who examined her. But it's nice to see you think you should get to make that choice but force her to remain kept alive in that state.

And if I have an affinity on the issue, it's over choice, not death. Something you apparenly feel you should be entitled to but not Terri and her husband at that time.

Plug, that there was no hope of recovery was your opinion, and at variance with medical experts, of which you are not one. And it's also your opinion that she was "forced" to stay alive. Just because you want to pull your own plug,

doesn't mean everyone does. She was Catholic and catechized to treat life as precious in every stage.

So what you have is just a bunch of opinions that you treat as fact.

Ummm, Sitting Bullshit ... her autopsy proved the doctors who diagnosed her condition an irreversible persistent vegetative state -- right. That has nothing to do with my opinion, no matter how much you wish it did.

And she most certainly required life support to keep her alive. That is Florida state law, also not my opinion.

As far as her faith, that had nothing to do with it. Just as there are many Catholics who commit adultery even though it goes against their faith; many Catholics who are gay even though it is against their faith; many Catholics who have abortions even though it goes against their faith, therer are also many Catholics who do not want to be kept alive on life support should they ever unfortunately end up in that condition.

There are also many catholics who use birth control. There are many catholics who let a fetus die to save the mother.

Both of which are against catholic teachings and rules.

 

[Faun]

Yep, ole Jeb looks like dead meat.

It has nothing to do with death worshipers like you and everthing with the fact he is a rino

Oh? What makes him a rino?

Why do you care? It isnt like you would vote for him seeing as he isn't fond of killing the unborn

Whom I vote is of no matter. You made the claim that Jeb Bush is a rino. I don't see how so I asked you what makes you think that.

Well ... ?

 

[Faun]

Poor, demented Sitting Bullshit. People who are in an irreversible persistent vegetative state have the right to not be forced to remain in that state. And in cases where they don't state their wishes prior to ending up like that, their next of kin is trusted with making that choice for them.

What about you? How long would you want to be kept alive in that state?

For as long as there is hope. That's what the culture-of-death Left is bereft of. Hope.

Sounds like you agree with Michael Schiavo then since there was no hope for Terri to recover. Half her brain was gone and her condition was irreversible.

That's the lot of those who live apart from the love of Jesus; hopelessness, despair, death, and then eternal separation from God.

I feel sad for you.

Sad for what? My faith informs me that people like you will never see the Kingdom of G-d.

No, I don't agree with a murderer that finished off his wife, so great was his fear that she would recover and finger him as the person responsible for what happened to her. The very fact that he was so determined to kill her was proof that he didn't believe what you said, that she was beyond all hope of recovery.

And your faith is leading you to hell, like many faiths are. "For there is no other name under heaven, given among men, by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Jesus is the way to God, and there is salvation in no other.

How could you not agree? You said as long as there's hope; and with half her brain disolved to liquid, there was no hope.

As far as your pagan faith, regrettably, you will learn the hard way.

I usually agree with everything you say.

However I'm offended by your last sentence.

No one knows if there's a christian god. No one knows if there's a pagan god. It's all faith.

It's wrong to discount and disrespect someone else's faith.

I happen to be pagan and I don't appreciate being told that my faith is wrong and someone else's is right. It's a personal choice made by each individual.

How would you like it if I told you the same thing about your christian faith? I would never do such a thing because I respect all faiths.

I wish everyone else respected all faiths. This world would have less violence and hate.

I agree with that and that was the point of my post, which was in response to an idiot claiming his faith condemns mine. I merely tried holding up a mirror to him.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

How could you not agree? You said as long as there's hope; and with half her brain disolved to liquid, there was no hope.

As far as your pagan faith, regrettably, you will learn the hard way.

That's your opinion. On both counts. You don't need much of an excuse to kill people. Just about any will do.

On the religion angle, your affinity with death and killing is proof of the devil you serve....no matter what name you pray to him by.

Nope, not my opinion. Stated fact by the physicians who examined her. But it's nice to see you think you should get to make that choice but force her to remain kept alive in that state.

And if I have an affinity on the issue, it's over choice, not death. Something you apparenly feel you should be entitled to but not Terri and her husband at that time.

Plug, that there was no hope of recovery was your opinion, and at variance with medical experts, of which you are not one. And it's also your opinion that she was "forced" to stay alive. Just because you want to pull your own plug,

doesn't mean everyone does. She was Catholic and catechized to treat life as precious in every stage.

So what you have is just a bunch of opinions that you treat as fact.

Ummm, Sitting Bullshit ... her autopsy proved the doctors who diagnosed her condition an irreversible persistent vegetative state -- right. That has nothing to do with my opinion, no matter how much you wish it did.

And she most certainly required life support to keep her alive. That is Florida state law, also not my opinion.

As far as her faith, that had nothing to do with it. Just as there are many Catholics who commit adultery even though it goes against their faith; many Catholics who are gay even though it is against their faith; many Catholics who have abortions even though it goes against their faith, therer are also many Catholics who do not want to be kept alive on life support should they ever unfortunately end up in that condition.

There are also many catholics who use birth control. There are many catholics who let a fetus die to save the mother.

Both of which are against catholic teachings and rules.

Bullshit. The first one is, the second one is not. Catholic mothers are not required to endanger their lives in childbirth.

Stop lying, Leftists!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Yep, ole Jeb looks like dead meat.

You have a real hard-on for the guy, don't you?

 

[Faun]

That's your opinion. On both counts. You don't need much of an excuse to kill people. Just about any will do.

On the religion angle, your affinity with death and killing is proof of the devil you serve....no matter what name you pray to him by.

Nope, not my opinion. Stated fact by the physicians who examined her. But it's nice to see you think you should get to make that choice but force her to remain kept alive in that state.

And if I have an affinity on the issue, it's over choice, not death. Something you apparenly feel you should be entitled to but not Terri and her husband at that time.

Plug, that there was no hope of recovery was your opinion, and at variance with medical experts, of which you are not one. And it's also your opinion that she was "forced" to stay alive. Just because you want to pull your own plug,

doesn't mean everyone does. She was Catholic and catechized to treat life as precious in every stage.

So what you have is just a bunch of opinions that you treat as fact.

Ummm, Sitting Bullshit ... her autopsy proved the doctors who diagnosed her condition an irreversible persistent vegetative state -- right. That has nothing to do with my opinion, no matter how much you wish it did.

And she most certainly required life support to keep her alive. That is Florida state law, also not my opinion.

As far as her faith, that had nothing to do with it. Just as there are many Catholics who commit adultery even though it goes against their faith; many Catholics who are gay even though it is against their faith; many Catholics who have abortions even though it goes against their faith, therer are also many Catholics who do not want to be kept alive on life support should they ever unfortunately end up in that condition.

There are also many catholics who use birth control. There are many catholics who let a fetus die to save the mother.

Both of which are against catholic teachings and rules.

Bullshit. The first one is, the second one is not. Catholic mothers are not required to endanger their lives in childbirth.

Stop lying, Leftists!

There are many Catholics who have abortions for all sorts of reasons.

Catholics for Choice

 

[ChrisL]

Well, I think the husband is a jerk. He did not HAVE to kill her. That was completely unnecessary.

 

[Faun]

Well, I think the husband is a jerk. He did not HAVE to kill her. That was completely unnecessary.

What was the point? She was in an irreversible persistent vegetative state?