Zone1 Temptation Is Not A Sin

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I realize that it isn't because if even Jesus was tempted to wrong it can't be because He was and is sinless and He couldn't have been out perfect sacrifice on the cross. It's only a sin when you give into temptation. However, it still bothers me that I've been getting intrusive thoughts ever since I found a new church of go ahead and skip church, be lazy,.. followed by God is going to be mad at me anyways for having these thoughts so who needs Him?


I'm pretty sure that they're from the devil because that sounds like him all over the place. I do believe that he's just ticked off that I finally found a good Bible believing church and he hates that because he hates anything having to do with church, God, and the Bible and he wants me to turn on God.


However, that doesn't make it any easier because I am left with feelings of guilt and what if he's right about God being mad at me for having these intrusive thoughts even though deep down I know that it's a lie. Am I alone in this?
 
I find reasons to skip church often... I don't feel bad about it because I make sure and do the Lord's work on those days.... some in small ways like a phone call to my lonely former mother in law or a visit to see her with some groceries or make repairs in her home... I call my friends to check in on them or I will just sit with a cup of coffee and read the Bible for a hour or so....
God knows what's inside your heart..... church or not....
 
I realize that it isn't because if even Jesus was tempted to wrong it can't be because He was and is sinless and He couldn't have been out perfect sacrifice on the cross. It's only a sin when you give into temptation. However, it still bothers me that I've been getting intrusive thoughts ever since I found a new church of go ahead and skip church, be lazy,.. followed by God is going to be mad at me anyways for having these thoughts so who needs Him?


I'm pretty sure that they're from the devil because that sounds like him all over the place. I do believe that he's just ticked off that I finally found a good Bible believing church and he hates that because he hates anything having to do with church, God, and the Bible and he wants me to turn on God.


However, that doesn't make it any easier because I am left with feelings of guilt and what if he's right about God being mad at me for having these intrusive thoughts even though deep down I know that it's a lie. Am I alone in this?

Just me personally, I tend to not attribute to Satan what is more likely to be just our sinful nature.

It is human nature to "grade ourselves on a curve", as it were. If I'm "good", God is happy with me. If I have bad thoughts or I sin, He's mad at me and is angry with me.

But the truth is, if you've accepted Jesus as Savior, you're one of His own. Like a daughter, adopted into His family. Of course He can be more pleased and less pleased, but He still always loves you, always wants and plans the best for you.

It's taken me a long time to accept that God really, really loves us, but I'm finally getting there. Might be helpful to ask for forgiveness for thoughts and ask for help in overcoming them....much more productive (and Biblically sound) than thinking God is always mad at you.
 
By the way I went this morning....
For the Pancake breakfast....:wink_2:
 

Temptation Is Not A Sin​


I suppose not since sin is by definition the commission of giving into temptation.

Just remember how the Devil works, just as with the apple and snake in the garden, by seducing you with subversive thoughts while parading as your friend and confidant talking you into things you ordinarily would not do.
 
I realize that it isn't because if even Jesus was tempted to wrong it can't be because He was and is sinless and He couldn't have been out perfect sacrifice on the cross. It's only a sin when you give into temptation. However, it still bothers me that I've been getting intrusive thoughts ever since I found a new church of go ahead and skip church, be lazy,.. followed by God is going to be mad at me anyways for having these thoughts so who needs Him?


I'm pretty sure that they're from the devil because that sounds like him all over the place. I do believe that he's just ticked off that I finally found a good Bible believing church and he hates that because he hates anything having to do with church, God, and the Bible and he wants me to turn on God.


However, that doesn't make it any easier because I am left with feelings of guilt and what if he's right about God being mad at me for having these intrusive thoughts even though deep down I know that it's a lie. Am I alone in this?

The nature of one's susceptibility to temptation hinges profoundly upon the specific appeal in question. Missing a visit to an organized religious place of worship would be far down the list of violations

The violation of serious temptations is what matters. There is nothing I know of in any bible that demands one must go to a place of worship. Not in the 10 Commandments or 613 mitzvot.

During my marriage, I encountered numerous occasions wherein an amorous advance from another woman presented itself, circumstances in which my wife would have remained entirely unaware, however, I steadfastly resisted such temptations, for I regarded my nuptial vows with the utmost seriousness. The guilt alone for me pointing to G-d and saying, "remember that rare time I took a vow in your name? Well, I don't care".

Did I, upon beholding a beautifu andl voluptuous woman in my midst, permit my gaze to linger in appreciation? Indoubtably. More instinctively than intentionally. However, THAT was temptation which was offered (more than on one occasion) for which I didn't give in.

The female body is a work of art. Contrary to Jesus instructions, I did not consider my observation akin to cheating on my wife. I used to read muscle mags and admire mens development and I never had gay inclinations lol.

Conversely, should temptation manifest as the impulse to commit murder for financial gain or to orchestrate the destruction of another persons life ? Irrespective of what book, doctrine or verse one reads, to perpetrate such atrocities is to mock G-ds creations and his Commands.

If someone wants to tempt such pursuits I say "roll the dice good sir, I will take my chances living in the way G-d most certainly demands to keep ones soul intact". I've never been a gambling man to that degree.

If there exists light and darkness, so too must there be good and evil. There must exist a G-d and his enemy, his adversary; in whatever reference one makes to this existence. This is particularly true of abuses of the vulnerable, defenseless and oppressed. Temptation thus eminates to varying degrees not all of which are equal in consequences for submitting to these temptations.

Live by your word because in the end even if you are worth billions it is all you have. I speak from personal experience that all I have is the truth and pretending G-d doesn't see this truth is once again a gamble I won't take.

If you can help the downtrodden, do so whenever it is permitted. Not to the point you are left suffering but to the point you can say "I helped that man or woman out as G-d commanded I try.

Your minor indiscretions can thus be nullified. If you do something that is beyond reclaimation of ones soul, well...that's between the individual and the divine. Stay close to G-d, pray and be present, there is no violation if you skip visiting a man-made structure in all I have read.
 
The nature of one's susceptibility to temptation hinges profoundly upon the specific appeal in question. Missing a visit to an organized religious place of worship would be far down the list of violations

The violation of serious temptations is what matters. There is nothing I know of in any bible that demands one must go to a place of worship. Not in the 10 Commandments or 613 mitzvot.

During my marriage, I encountered numerous occasions wherein an amorous advance from another woman presented itself, circumstances in which my wife would have remained entirely unaware, however, I steadfastly resisted such temptations, for I regarded my nuptial vows with the utmost seriousness. The guilt alone for me pointing to G-d and saying, "remember that rare time I took a vow in your name? Well, I don't care".

Did I, upon beholding a beautifu andl voluptuous woman in my midst, permit my gaze to linger in appreciation? Indoubtably. More instinctively than intentionally. However, THAT was temptation which was offered (more than on one occasion) for which I didn't give in.

The female body is a work of art. Contrary to Jesus instructions, I did not consider my observation akin to cheating on my wife. I used to read muscle mags and admire mens development and I never had gay inclinations lol.

Conversely, should temptation manifest as the impulse to commit murder for financial gain or to orchestrate the destruction of another persons life ? Irrespective of what book, doctrine or verse one reads, to perpetrate such atrocities is to mock G-ds creations and his Commands.

If someone wants to tempt such pursuits I say "roll the dice good sir, I will take my chances living in the way G-d most certainly demands to keep ones soul intact". I've never been a gambling man to that degree.

If there exists light and darkness, so too must there be good and evil. There must exist a G-d and his enemy, his adversary; in whatever reference one makes to this existence. This is particularly true of abuses of the vulnerable, defenseless and oppressed. Temptation thus eminates to varying degrees not all of which are equal in consequences for submitting to these temptations.

Live by your word because in the end even if you are worth billions it is all you have. I speak from personal experience that all I have is the truth and pretending G-d doesn't see this truth is once again a gamble I won't take.

If you can help the downtrodden, do so whenever it is permitted. Not to the point you are left suffering but to the point you can say "I helped that man or woman out as G-d commanded I try.

Your minor indiscretions can thus be nullified. If you do something that is beyond reclaimation of ones soul, well...that's between the individual and the divine. Stay close to G-d, pray and be present, there is no violation if you skip visiting a man-made structure in all I have read.


Could you please summarize this up for me and simplify it?
 
Could you please summarize this up for me and simplify it?
Not going to a church, synagogue or temple is not in violation of any message I've read in the Torah or even New Testament.

Real temptation would include cheating on ones wife, murdering or destroying another for profit, especially money.

Temptation is on a continuum, do what is right, help those who need it, stay close to G-d and follow his Commands.

As long as you are a righteous man and stay loyal as far as I can tell you are not in violation of any of G-ds obligations. You are not betraying temptation in my opinion if you skip service unless you believe you are taken away from G-d by not going I suppose.

If you can direct me to a verse in the Torah that directs us to attend religious service in a structure designed and built by man I will read it and perhaps reconsider.
 
Not going to a church, synagogue or temple is not in violation of any message I've read in the Torah or even New Testament.

Real temptation would include cheating on ones wife, murdering or destroying another for profit, especially money.

Temptation is on a continuum, do what is right, help those who need it, stay close to G-d and follow his Commands.

As long as you are a righteous man and stay loyal as far as I can tell you are not in violation of any of G-ds obligations. You are not betraying temptation in my opinion if you skip service unless you believe you are taken away from G-d by not going I suppose.

If you can direct me to a verse in the Torah that directs us to attend religious service in a structure designed and built by man I will read it and perhaps reconsider.

No that's not necessary as now I see where you're coming from but I still really like my new church. I'm a woman though for the record, not a man. :)
 
Not going to a church, synagogue or temple is not in violation of any message I've read in the Torah or even New Testament.
That is correct. The church is mainly a societal construct for the organized good of society, but all that really matters is what is in your heart. If you carry true goodness in your heart, it is really not of much matter whether you go to church or not, whereas, no amount of church-going can undo the harm of having darkness in your soul. To the truly god-centered individual, the heart really IS your church you carry with you wherever you go.

Real temptation would include cheating on ones wife, murdering or destroying another for profit, especially money.
Temptation is unholy desires, but sin is giving into temptation.

As long as you are a righteous man and stay loyal as far as I can tell you are not in violation of any of G-ds obligations. You are not betraying temptation in my opinion if you skip service unless you believe you are taken away from G-d by not going I suppose.
The ideal Christian path is to avoid both temptation and sin. If a person finds themselves badly and continually tempted to commit sin, one should seek out help in the liturgy to try to get at the root of the temptation and overcome it.

For instance, if you see a woman's body as a work of art, that is desire speaking to you. A woman is built for carrying and having children, the desire is simply nature's way of inducing procreation, the temptation is the urge to act of it (one is tempted by committing in ones imagination acts they are otherwise publicly disavowed in carrying out), and the sin is succumbing to one's desires and temptation.

Far better to attack the root of desire and temptation and rid yourself of them (with God's help if you need) than to try to merely suppress it, for suppressed desires are alive and well and can only find their way to the surface eventually.
 
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As long as you are a righteous man and stay loyal as far as I can tell you are not in violation of any of G-ds obligations. You are not betraying temptation in my opinion if you skip service unless you believe you are taken away from G-d by not going I suppose.

This is false. A single stain of sin, just one, keeps us out of Heaven forever. There is no one righteous, no not one (Romans 3:10). Only by believing Jesus is the Son of God and trusting Him for salvation can we be saved, and thus allowed into Heaven.
 
This is false. A single stain of sin, just one, keeps us out of Heaven forever. There is no one righteous, no not one (Romans 3:10). Only by believing Jesus is the Son of God and trusting Him for salvation can we be saved, and thus allowed into Heaven.
I guess we are going to all find out one day.
 
This is false. A single stain of sin, just one, keeps us out of Heaven forever. There is no one righteous, no not one (Romans 3:10). Only by believing Jesus is the Son of God and trusting Him for salvation can we be saved, and thus allowed into Heaven.

Put another way, Heaven (the Kingdom of God) is for the pure of heart, the spiritual who have cast off their worldly desires, but just as a priest can forgive your sins at the Church, at the time of judgement, God has the power to wipe away all sin from you if he so chooses.

But one should not commit sin banking on it being forgiven. Forgiveness of sin begins with whether the individual intended on purpose or regrets his actions.
 
Put another way, Heaven (the Kingdom of God) is for the pure of heart, the spiritual who have cast off their worldly desires, but just as a priest can forgive your sins at the Church, at the time of judgement, God has the power to wipe away all sin from you if he so chooses.

But one should not commit sin banking on it being forgiven. Forgiveness of sin begins with whether the individual intended on purpose or regrets his actions.

Priests can forgive sins? What denominations believe this?

I thought they just heard confession....
 
This is false. A single stain of sin, just one, keeps us out of Heaven forever. There is no one righteous, no not one (Romans 3:10). Only by believing Jesus is the Son of God and trusting Him for salvation can we be saved, and thus allowed into Heaven.

You know it's sort of amazing that once you see the truth of how lost and rotten we are you just can't unsee it.
 
Oh and btw SweetSue92, I'm taking your advice about asking forgiveness for whenever I think something bad but it seems to be exactly the same result in the end of when I do something bad. I don't really feel the forgiveness, I just go into the "I'm a bad girl" stage by repeatedly kicking myself over and over again. I guess that I have to cheer up a bit though, the fact that I literally cannot stand my sin and I feel extremely guilty about it just goes to show that I actually am saved because if I wasn't I wouldn't care at all.
 
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Oh and btw SweetSue92, I'm taking your advice about asking forgiveness for whenever I think something bad but it seems to be exactly the same result in the end of when I do something bad. I don't really feel the forgiveness, I just go into the "I'm a bad girl" stage by repeatedly kicking myself over and over again. I guess that I have to cheer up a bit though, the fact that I literally cannot stand my sin and I feel extremely guilty about it just goes to show that I actually am saved because if I wasn't I wouldn't care at all.

This is so true about you caring!

FWIW, God is not confined by our limited human feelings. If you ask, you ARE forgiven whether you feel it or not. Lately I have been asking for forgiveness and asking God to show me that He loves me, and He does not disappoint.
 
This is so true about you caring!

FWIW, God is not confined by our limited human feelings. If you ask, you ARE forgiven whether you feel it or not. Lately I have been asking for forgiveness and asking God to show me that He loves me, and He does not disappoint.


I sort of feel like right now Jesus is like ummm remember me and what holiday you're going to be celebrating in a few days and why? I have to remember that Jesus didn't enter the world to die for our sins like a pig raised for slaughter because we deserved it, His birth, death, and resurrection was a selfless gift of love. ❤️
 
I realize that it isn't because if even Jesus was tempted to wrong it can't be because He was and is sinless and He couldn't have been out perfect sacrifice on the cross. It's only a sin when you give into temptation. However, it still bothers me that I've been getting intrusive thoughts ever since I found a new church of go ahead and skip church, be lazy,.. followed by God is going to be mad at me anyways for having these thoughts so who needs Him?


I'm pretty sure that they're from the devil because that sounds like him all over the place. I do believe that he's just ticked off that I finally found a good Bible believing church and he hates that because he hates anything having to do with church, God, and the Bible and he wants me to turn on God.


However, that doesn't make it any easier because I am left with feelings of guilt and what if he's right about God being mad at me for having these intrusive thoughts even though deep down I know that it's a lie. Am I alone in this?
Humans have all kinds of thoughts. Some of them may not have manifested themselves through one's consciousness. When you stop to think of all the inputs we receive through all our senses every day, it's amazing more errant thoughts don't surface. If I were you, I'd look into that church more thoroughly because, obviously there is something there disturbing your thoughts. There just may be something you sense about that church that makes you want to skip services. Perhaps you sense a bit of the devil associated with that church?
 
Humans have all kinds of thoughts. Some of them may not have manifested themselves through one's consciousness. When you stop to think of all the inputs we receive through all our senses every day, it's amazing more errant thoughts don't surface. If I were you, I'd look into that church more thoroughly because, obviously there is something there disturbing your thoughts. There just may be something you sense about that church that makes you want to skip services. Perhaps you sense a bit of the devil associated with that church?


No it's just my sinful thoughts of laziness.
 
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