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Sunday, Apr. 09, 2006 (TIME)

Why Iraq Was a Mistake

A military insider sounds off against the war and the "zealots" who pushed it.

By LIEUT. GENERAL GREG NEWBOLD (RET.)

Two senior military officers are known to have challenged Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the planning of the Iraq war. Army General Eric Shinseki publicly dissented and found himself marginalized. Marine Lieut. General Greg Newbold, the Pentagon's top operations officer, voiced his objections internally and then retired, in part out of opposition to the war. Here, for the first time, Newbold goes public with a full-throated critique:

In 1971, the rock group The Who released the antiwar anthem Won't Get Fooled Again. To most in my generation, the song conveyed a sense of betrayal by the nation's leaders, who had led our country into a costly and unnecessary war in Vietnam.

To those of us who were truly counterculture--who became career members of the military during those rough times--the song conveyed a very different message. To us, its lyrics evoked a feeling that we must never again stand by quietly while those ignorant of and casual about war lead us into another one and then mismanage the conduct of it. Never again, we thought, would our military's senior leaders remain silent as American troops were marched off to an ill-considered engagement. It's 35 years later, and the judgment is in: the Who had it wrong. We have been fooled again.

From 2000 until October 2002, I was a Marine Corps lieutenant general and director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. After 9/11, I was a witness and therefore a party to the actions that led us to the invasion of Iraq--an unnecessary war. Inside the military family, I made no secret of my view that the zealots' rationale for war made no sense. And I think I was outspoken enough to make those senior to me uncomfortable. But I now regret that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined to invade a country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat--al-Qaeda.

I retired from the military four months before the invasion, in part because of my opposition to those who had used 9/11's tragedy to hijack our security policy. Until now, I have resisted speaking out in public. I've been silent long enough.

I am driven to action now by the missteps and misjudgments of the White House and the Pentagon, and by my many painful visits to our military hospitals. In those places, I have been both inspired and shaken by the broken bodies but unbroken spirits of soldiers, Marines and corpsmen returning from this war. The cost of flawed leadership continues to be paid in blood.

The willingness of our forces to shoulder such a load should make it a sacred obligation for civilian and military leaders to get our defense policy right. They must be absolutely sure that the commitment is for a cause as honorable as the sacrifice.

With the encouragement of some still in positions of military leadership, I offer a challenge to those still in uniform: a leader's responsibility is to give voice to those who can't--or don't have the opportunity to--speak. Enlisted members of the armed forces swear their oath to those appointed over them; an officer swears an oath not to a person but to the Constitution. The distinction is important.

Before the antiwar banners start to unfurl, however, let me make clear--I am not opposed to war. I would gladly have traded my general's stars for a captain's bars to lead our troops into Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban and al-Qaeda. And while I don't accept the stated rationale for invading Iraq, my view--at the moment--is that a precipitous withdrawal would be a mistake.

It would send a signal, heard around the world, that would reinforce the jihadists' message that America can be defeated, and thus increase the chances of future conflicts. If, however, the Iraqis prove unable to govern, and there is open civil war, then I am prepared to change my position.

I will admit my own prejudice: my deep affection and respect are for those who volunteer to serve our nation and therefore shoulder, in those thin ranks, the nation's most sacred obligation of citizenship. To those of you who don't know, our country has never been served by a more competent and professional military. For that reason, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's recent statement that "we" made the "right strategic decisions" but made thousands of "tactical errors" is an outrage. It reflects an effort to obscure gross errors in strategy by shifting the blame for failure to those who have been resolute in fighting.

The truth is, our forces are successful in spite of the strategic guidance they receive, not because of it.

What we are living with now is the consequences of successive policy failures. Some of the missteps include: the distortion of intelligence in the buildup to the war, McNamara-like micromanagement that kept our forces from having enough resources to do the job, the failure to retain and reconstitute the Iraqi military in time to help quell civil disorder, the initial denial that an insurgency was the heart of the opposition to occupation, alienation of allies who could have helped in a more robust way to rebuild Iraq, and the continuing failure of the other agencies of our government to commit assets to the same degree as the Defense Department.

My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions--or bury the results.

Flaws in our civilians are one thing; the failure of the Pentagon's military leaders is quite another. Those are men who know the hard consequences of war but, with few exceptions, acted timidly when their voices urgently needed to be heard. When they knew the plan was flawed, saw intelligence distorted to justify a rationale for war, or witnessed arrogant micromanagement that at times crippled the military's effectiveness, many leaders who wore the uniform chose inaction.

A few of the most senior officers actually supported the logic for war. Others were simply intimidated, while still others must have believed that the principle of obedience does not allow for respectful dissent. The consequence of the military's quiescence was that a fundamentally flawed plan was executed for an invented war, while pursuing the real enemy, al-Qaeda, became a secondary effort.

There have been exceptions, albeit uncommon, to the rule of silence among military leaders. Former Army Chief of Staff General Shinseki, when challenged to offer his professional opinion during prewar congressional testimony, suggested that more troops might be needed for the invasion's aftermath.

The Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Defense castigated him in public and marginalized him in his remaining months in his post. Army General John Abizaid, head of Central Command, has been forceful in his views with appointed officials on strategy and micromanagement of the fight in Iraq--often with success. Marine Commandant General Mike Hagee steadfastly challenged plans to underfund, understaff and underequip his service as the Corps has struggled to sustain its fighting capability.

To be sure, the Bush Administration and senior military officials are not alone in their culpability. Members of Congress--from both parties--defaulted in fulfilling their constitutional responsibility for oversight. Many in the media saw the warning signs and heard cautionary tales before the invasion from wise observers like former Central Command chiefs Joe Hoar and Tony Zinni but gave insufficient weight to their views. These are the same news organizations that now downplay both the heroic and the constructive in Iraq.

So what is to be done? We need fresh ideas and fresh faces. That means, as a first step, replacing Rumsfeld and many others unwilling to fundamentally change their approach. The troops in the Middle East have performed their duty. Now we need people in Washington who can construct a unified strategy worthy of them.

It is time to send a signal to our nation, our forces and the world that we are uncompromising on our security but are prepared to rethink how we achieve it.

It is time for senior military leaders to discard caution in expressing their views and ensure that the President hears them clearly. And that we won't be fooled again.

(This treasonous bastard should be taken out and shot!) :finger:
 
Only problem is I don't really see any analysis that states why Iraq was a mistake. I see analysis that the strategy we used was a mistake. But not that the purposes of going in were.
 
Darwins Friend said:
Sunday, Apr. 09, 2006 (TIME)

Why Iraq Was a Mistake

A military insider sounds off against the war and the "zealots" who pushed it.

By LIEUT. GENERAL GREG NEWBOLD (RET.)

Two senior military officers are known to have challenged Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the planning of the Iraq war. Army General Eric Shinseki publicly dissented and found himself marginalized. Marine Lieut. General Greg Newbold, the Pentagon's top operations officer, voiced his objections internally and then retired, in part out of opposition to the war. Here, for the first time, Newbold goes public with a full-throated critique:

In 1971, the rock group The Who released the antiwar anthem Won't Get Fooled Again. To most in my generation, the song conveyed a sense of betrayal by the nation's leaders, who had led our country into a costly and unnecessary war in Vietnam.

To those of us who were truly counterculture--who became career members of the military during those rough times--the song conveyed a very different message. To us, its lyrics evoked a feeling that we must never again stand by quietly while those ignorant of and casual about war lead us into another one and then mismanage the conduct of it. Never again, we thought, would our military's senior leaders remain silent as American troops were marched off to an ill-considered engagement. It's 35 years later, and the judgment is in: the Who had it wrong. We have been fooled again.

From 2000 until October 2002, I was a Marine Corps lieutenant general and director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. After 9/11, I was a witness and therefore a party to the actions that led us to the invasion of Iraq--an unnecessary war. Inside the military family, I made no secret of my view that the zealots' rationale for war made no sense. And I think I was outspoken enough to make those senior to me uncomfortable. But I now regret that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined to invade a country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat--al-Qaeda.

I retired from the military four months before the invasion, in part because of my opposition to those who had used 9/11's tragedy to hijack our security policy. Until now, I have resisted speaking out in public. I've been silent long enough.

I am driven to action now by the missteps and misjudgments of the White House and the Pentagon, and by my many painful visits to our military hospitals. In those places, I have been both inspired and shaken by the broken bodies but unbroken spirits of soldiers, Marines and corpsmen returning from this war. The cost of flawed leadership continues to be paid in blood.

The willingness of our forces to shoulder such a load should make it a sacred obligation for civilian and military leaders to get our defense policy right. They must be absolutely sure that the commitment is for a cause as honorable as the sacrifice.

With the encouragement of some still in positions of military leadership, I offer a challenge to those still in uniform: a leader's responsibility is to give voice to those who can't--or don't have the opportunity to--speak. Enlisted members of the armed forces swear their oath to those appointed over them; an officer swears an oath not to a person but to the Constitution. The distinction is important.

Before the antiwar banners start to unfurl, however, let me make clear--I am not opposed to war. I would gladly have traded my general's stars for a captain's bars to lead our troops into Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban and al-Qaeda. And while I don't accept the stated rationale for invading Iraq, my view--at the moment--is that a precipitous withdrawal would be a mistake.

It would send a signal, heard around the world, that would reinforce the jihadists' message that America can be defeated, and thus increase the chances of future conflicts. If, however, the Iraqis prove unable to govern, and there is open civil war, then I am prepared to change my position.

I will admit my own prejudice: my deep affection and respect are for those who volunteer to serve our nation and therefore shoulder, in those thin ranks, the nation's most sacred obligation of citizenship. To those of you who don't know, our country has never been served by a more competent and professional military. For that reason, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's recent statement that "we" made the "right strategic decisions" but made thousands of "tactical errors" is an outrage. It reflects an effort to obscure gross errors in strategy by shifting the blame for failure to those who have been resolute in fighting.

The truth is, our forces are successful in spite of the strategic guidance they receive, not because of it.

What we are living with now is the consequences of successive policy failures. Some of the missteps include: the distortion of intelligence in the buildup to the war, McNamara-like micromanagement that kept our forces from having enough resources to do the job, the failure to retain and reconstitute the Iraqi military in time to help quell civil disorder, the initial denial that an insurgency was the heart of the opposition to occupation, alienation of allies who could have helped in a more robust way to rebuild Iraq, and the continuing failure of the other agencies of our government to commit assets to the same degree as the Defense Department.

My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions--or bury the results.

Flaws in our civilians are one thing; the failure of the Pentagon's military leaders is quite another. Those are men who know the hard consequences of war but, with few exceptions, acted timidly when their voices urgently needed to be heard. When they knew the plan was flawed, saw intelligence distorted to justify a rationale for war, or witnessed arrogant micromanagement that at times crippled the military's effectiveness, many leaders who wore the uniform chose inaction.

A few of the most senior officers actually supported the logic for war. Others were simply intimidated, while still others must have believed that the principle of obedience does not allow for respectful dissent. The consequence of the military's quiescence was that a fundamentally flawed plan was executed for an invented war, while pursuing the real enemy, al-Qaeda, became a secondary effort.

There have been exceptions, albeit uncommon, to the rule of silence among military leaders. Former Army Chief of Staff General Shinseki, when challenged to offer his professional opinion during prewar congressional testimony, suggested that more troops might be needed for the invasion's aftermath.

The Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Defense castigated him in public and marginalized him in his remaining months in his post. Army General John Abizaid, head of Central Command, has been forceful in his views with appointed officials on strategy and micromanagement of the fight in Iraq--often with success. Marine Commandant General Mike Hagee steadfastly challenged plans to underfund, understaff and underequip his service as the Corps has struggled to sustain its fighting capability.

To be sure, the Bush Administration and senior military officials are not alone in their culpability. Members of Congress--from both parties--defaulted in fulfilling their constitutional responsibility for oversight. Many in the media saw the warning signs and heard cautionary tales before the invasion from wise observers like former Central Command chiefs Joe Hoar and Tony Zinni but gave insufficient weight to their views. These are the same news organizations that now downplay both the heroic and the constructive in Iraq.

So what is to be done? We need fresh ideas and fresh faces. That means, as a first step, replacing Rumsfeld and many others unwilling to fundamentally change their approach. The troops in the Middle East have performed their duty. Now we need people in Washington who can construct a unified strategy worthy of them.

It is time to send a signal to our nation, our forces and the world that we are uncompromising on our security but are prepared to rethink how we achieve it.

It is time for senior military leaders to discard caution in expressing their views and ensure that the President hears them clearly. And that we won't be fooled again.

(This treasonous bastard should be taken out and shot!) :finger:

naaaa--not in America. Everyone is entitled to voice thier opinion. Making a few changes is probably a decent idea and being done as we speak.
 
This recent outcry by this general and three others reminds me of the General McArthur fiasco during the Korean War...politics was the problem then as it is now...so to be honest I put more credence in the generals assessment than that of politicians! This engadgement in Iraq was a true fiasco...politicians should have stayed out of it once the attack was initiated...let the generals decide what needs to be done...end of story! :usa:
 
archangel said:
This recent outcry by this general and three others reminds me of the General McArthur fiasco during the Korean War...politics was the problem then as it is now...so to be honest I put more credence in the generals assessment than that of politicians! This engadgement in Iraq was a true fiasco...politicians should have stayed out of it once the attack was initiated...let the generals decide what needs to be done...end of story! :usa:

Maybe the whole engagement WAS a fiasco---What's most important is that there finally was one !! There is still lots of time to fine tune it.
 
Isn't all of this moot now anyway? We did invade, we are still there, Hussein is out, democracy is slowly working it's way into Iraq's government system, Iraq's army is now being trained to fight terrorism, we will most likely begin a draw down of US forces in the near future. Mistakes were made, mistakes will still be made, and mistakes are always made.
 
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Bonnie said:
Isn't all of this moot now anyway? We did invade, we are still there, Hussein is out, democracy is slowly working it's way into Iraq's government system, Iraq's army is now being trained to fight terrorism, we will most likely begin a draw down of US forces in the near future. Mistakes were made, mistakes will still be made, and mistakes are always made.

A clear Mission - knowing who and what you’re up against - militarily and culturally, minimize those mistakes.
 
Bonnie said:
Isn't all of this moot now anyway? We did invade, we are still there, Hussein is out, democracy is slowly working it's way into Iraq's government system, Iraq's army is now being trained to fight terrorism, we will most likely begin a draw down of US forces in the near future. Mistakes were made, mistakes will still be made, and mistakes are always made.


Korea 1953...General MacArthur wanted to continue the push above the 38th parallel...he was on a "Roll" wanted to finish the job...was called to Washinton DC by the President who fired him...politics at the worst! We are still in Korea some 53 years later...is this what you want for us to be in Iraq in the year 2056? Still dodging IED's? When we could have been out by now if the generals were allowed to complete the mission of "WAR"! :shocked:
 
archangel said:
Korea 1953...General MacArthur wanted to continue the push above the 38th parallel...he was on a "Roll" wanted to finish the job...was called to Washinton DC by the President who fired him...politics at the worst! We are still in Korea some 53 years later...is this what you want for us to be in Iraq in the year 2056? Still dodging IED's? When we could have been out by now if the generals were allowed to complete the mission of "WAR"! :shocked:

Sorry--the days of a good old war are over.
 
archangel said:
Korea 1953...General MacArthur wanted to continue the push above the 38th parallel...he was on a "Roll" wanted to finish the job...was called to Washinton DC by the President who fired him...politics at the worst! We are still in Korea some 53 years later...is this what you want for us to be in Iraq in the year 2056? Still dodging IED's? When we could have been out by now if the generals were allowed to complete the mission of "WAR"! :shocked:

I agree and you could say the same about Vietnam and the Johnson administration..Too many armchair generals
This post is two generals opinions, what about the others who are in the theatre and have been calling the shots, they can't all be doing a lousy job?
 
Bonnie said:
I agree and you could say the same about Vietnam and the Johnson administration..Too many armchair generals
This post is two generals opinions, what about the others who are in the theatre and have been calling the shots, they can't all be doing a lousy job?


indeed Johnson sucked big time...and for the generals in theater...they cannot buck the system(speak out-until they retire) lest they be dismissed...ie:Mac Arthur!
 
archangel said:
indeed Johnson sucked big time...and for the generals in theater...they cannot buck the system(speak out-until they retire) lest they be dismissed...ie:Mac Arthur!

I wonder if there is some reason that when a war is declared, the military can't just blow up whatever it feels like it needs to blow up? Answering to the country that created it is such a pain in the ass.
 
dilloduck said:
I wonder if there is some reason that when a war is declared, the military can't just blow up whatever it feels like it needs to blow up? Answering to the country that created it is such a pain in the ass.



I do believe it's that new word called..."PC" seems to always get in the way! Politicians only seem to respond to those who have no jobs and lot's of time on their hands...ie: take it to the streets...protest baby! :crutch: (votes)
 
archangel said:
I do believe it's that new word called..."PC" seems to always get in the way! Politicians only seem to respond to those who have no jobs and lot's of time on their hands...ie: take it to the streets...protest baby! :crutch: (votes)

I thought they only responded to rich lobbyists ????? :duh3:
 
Bonnie said:
This post is two generals opinions, what about the others who are in the theatre and have been calling the shots, they can't all be doing a lousy job?

Thats because men and women still in the uniform cannot voice their opinions in public. One or two (retired) dissent against the war and the anti-war people try to use it as an example that many in the military don't like whats going on. Yet its obvious that in reality the anti-war crowd doesn't have much of a clue about how the majority of the military feel about it. Or they're just ignoring it.
 
dilloduck said:
I thought they only responded to rich lobbyists ????? :duh3:



after all they are the ones who employee cheap illegal workers...who have joined the protests and are being fired as we speak! :tinfoil:
 
archangel said:
I do believe it's that new word called..."PC" seems to always get in the way! Politicians only seem to respond to those who have no jobs and lot's of time on their hands...ie: take it to the streets...protest baby! :crutch: (votes)

So you would have the US military answer to no one? :confused:
 
dilloduck said:
So you would have the US military answer to no one? :confused:


okay it is spring and you are out fishing...yes they should answer to someone who has knowledge and experience in the field of war...something we seem to be lacking in the halls of DC! I gave examples of political BS as it was concerned to war...Once a war is initiated politicians must place faith in those who received commissions from Presidents...or else they should put on the uniform and join the troops to see first hand how the battle is going...this was in the distant past when Kings lead the charge...and could make instant battlefield decisions....lacking this I believe administrations should concede to the generals...imo!
 

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