Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

[TNHarley]

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

That's what I thought, liar

I think the liar was the one who told us Mexico would pay for the wall, among many other lies

Yea, and you making up shit doesn't constitute you being a liar?

The only liars are Trump and hand job.

how many times you gonna lie in this thread, homie?

 

[Aries]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

 

[TNHarley]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Amnesty is a historical failure. Every time it has been enacted, it created more illegals/incentive.
Why do you support failure?

 

[brummelben]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Didn't Trump tell us he was going to deport them all? Chalk up another big fat lie

 

[Aries]

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Didn't Trump tell us he was going to deport them all? Chalk up another big fat lie

apparently trump fans are unable to differentiate realistic ideas and the unrealistic ramblings of a madman.

 

[brummelben]

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Amnesty is a historical failure. Every time it has been enacted, it created more illegals/incentive.
Why do you support failure?

when has it been enacted? You make it sound like it happens all the time

 

[TNHarley]

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Amnesty is a historical failure. Every time it has been enacted, it created more illegals/incentive.
Why do you support failure?

when has it been enacted? You make it sound like it happens all the time

It doesn't but they probably wish they could do it all the time. The duopoly loves illegals.

 

[toomuchtime_]

only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

With surcharges on the billions of $ in money transfers each month from the US to Mexico.

Thats gonna go over real well with companies who do business in Mexico as well as American citizens making investments in real estate

Ok, if it will make you feel better, the surcharge can only apply to individuals sending money to individuals in Mexico.

 

[brummelben]

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Amnesty is a historical failure. Every time it has been enacted, it created more illegals/incentive.
Why do you support failure?

when has it been enacted? You make it sound like it happens all the time

It doesn't but they probably wish they could do it all the time. The duopoly loves illegals.

Can you prove to us that it is an historic failure, or are you just fullofshyte as usual?

 

[brummelben]

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

With surcharges on the billions of $ in money transfers each month from the US to Mexico.

Thats gonna go over real well with companies who do business in Mexico as well as American citizens making investments in real estate

Ok, if it will make you feel better, the surcharge can only apply to individuals sending money to individuals in Mexico.

So if I needed to send money to a family member in Mexico i would have to pay a surcharge? I thought Mexico was paying for this wall?

 

[TNHarley]

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Amnesty is a historical failure. Every time it has been enacted, it created more illegals/incentive.
Why do you support failure?

when has it been enacted? You make it sound like it happens all the time

It doesn't but they probably wish they could do it all the time. The duopoly loves illegals.

Can you prove to us that it is an historic failure, or are you just fullofshyte as usual?

why, so you can lie about that too? No thanks.
Maybe aries will want some info. I will help her.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually, Congress can't. E-verify has been law since 1997, but it only applies to federal contractors and while some states have passed laws requiring all employers to use it, some have not.

"In 2011, California passed an act to prohibit municipalities from mandating use of E-Verify.[28] At least 20 municipalities had required use of E-Verify,[29] for all businesses and/or companies doing business with the local government, including Mission Viejo[30] (2007), Temecula[31][32] (ordinance 5.06.030) (2010), Murrieta[33][34][35] (ordinance Chapter 5.04) (2010), Riverside,[36]Santa Maria[37][38] (only for city employees), Lake Elsinore[39] (Ordinance No. 1279)[40] (2010), Wildomar[41] (only for contractors) (2010), Lancaster[42] (Ordinance No. 934), Palmdale, San Clemente, Escondido, Menifee, Hemet, San Juan Capistrano, Hesperia, Norco, San Bernardino County, Rancho Santa Margarita, and Simi Valley.[29]

Cities considering E-Verify ordinances for businesses for 2011 are Costa Mesa,[43] San Luis Obispo, Santa Maria[44] (for all businesses) Santa Barbara, and San Jose. However, Costa Mesa[45][46][47] is the only city that has adapted the same state law as Arizona's SB-1070, allowing the City to arrest those without proper identification of resident status under suspicion of being unlawfully present in the United States."

E-Verify - Wikipedia

Yes, Congress can. They have tried multiple times but the corporatists don't want anything to do with it.
Its kind of absurd to think congress couldn't mandate everify..

It may seem absurd to you that Congress can't mandate E-verify, but in fact it can't.

link?

Read the Wiki article I posted a link to. The federal government was only able to mandate E-verify for federal contractors and it was dependent of the states to mandate it for others.

I didn't see that part. Can you quote it please?

E-Verify was originally established in 1997 as the Basic Pilot Program to prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining employment illegally in the United States. In August 2007, DHS secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce secretary Carlos Gutierrez announced several steps to expand employment eligibility verification. They started by requiring all federal contractors and vendors to use E-Verify. The Internet-based program is free and maintained by the United States government. Some states have passed legislation making it mandatory for certain businesses, other states require all employers use E-Verify.

The federal government's reach into the internal affairs of the states is justified by the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution and by the 14th amendment, neither of which would provide sufficient grounds for forcing the businesses and governments of the states to use E-verify. That's why the federal law only applied to federal contractors and the federal government has had to rely on persuasion to get states to pass their own E-verify laws.

 

[brummelben]

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Amnesty is a historical failure. Every time it has been enacted, it created more illegals/incentive.
Why do you support failure?

when has it been enacted? You make it sound like it happens all the time

It doesn't but they probably wish they could do it all the time. The duopoly loves illegals.

Can you prove to us that it is an historic failure, or are you just fullofshyte as usual?

why, so you can lie about that too? No thanks.
Maybe aries will want some info. I will help her.

You lied about this supposed "historic failure, jerk off

 

[Aries]

Sessions admitted he does not have the ability to round them all up for mass deportations. Focusing on criminals is the best idea for everyone. Focusing on a path to citizenship to bring many out of the shadows is the way to go.

Amnesty is a historical failure. Every time it has been enacted, it created more illegals/incentive.
Why do you support failure?

when has it been enacted? You make it sound like it happens all the time

It doesn't but they probably wish they could do it all the time. The duopoly loves illegals.

Can you prove to us that it is an historic failure, or are you just fullofshyte as usual?

why, so you can lie about that too? No thanks.
Maybe aries will want some info. I will help her.

Illegal Immigrants: How Many Times Has U.S. Granted Large-Scale Amnesty?

 

[busybee01]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

The border wall will be expensive and take years to build. It will not seal off the border. You can be for border security and oppose a wall so your comment is so much garbage.

 

[brummelben]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

The border wall will be expensive and take years to build. It will not seal off the border. You can be for border security and oppose a wall so your comment is so much garbage.

Lawsuits along could drag out this wall at least 10 years, and then we have the fact that people don't want it built

 

[toomuchtime_]

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

With surcharges on the billions of $ in money transfers each month from the US to Mexico.

Thats gonna go over real well with companies who do business in Mexico as well as American citizens making investments in real estate

Ok, if it will make you feel better, the surcharge can only apply to individuals sending money to individuals in Mexico.

So if I needed to send money to a family member in Mexico i would have to pay a surcharge? I thought Mexico was paying for this wall?

It will mean the Mexican government will have to pay billions more in welfare to make up for the money Mexicans in the US will have to pay because of this surcharge.

 

[brummelben]

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

With surcharges on the billions of $ in money transfers each month from the US to Mexico.

Thats gonna go over real well with companies who do business in Mexico as well as American citizens making investments in real estate

Ok, if it will make you feel better, the surcharge can only apply to individuals sending money to individuals in Mexico.

So if I needed to send money to a family member in Mexico i would have to pay a surcharge? I thought Mexico was paying for this wall?

It will mean the Mexican government will have to pay billions more in welfare to make up for the money Mexicans in the US will have to pay because of this surcharge.

How bout the fact that Congress will never approve a single penny for this wall. End of story

 

[toomuchtime_]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

The border wall will be expensive and take years to build. It will not seal off the border. You can be for border security and oppose a wall so your comment is so much garbage.

The border wall will seal the border. Israel has stopped the flow of thousands of illegal African immigrants by building a high tech fence along its Sinai border and it has stopped the terrorists from Lebanon, Syria and the Palestinians with similar fences, so a proper barrier does seal the border. It is nonsense to say you support border security but oppose the wall since no one has been able to come up with anything that will do as well.

 

[brummelben]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

The border wall will be expensive and take years to build. It will not seal off the border. You can be for border security and oppose a wall so your comment is so much garbage.

The border wall will seal the border. Israel has stopped the flow of thousands of illegal African immigrants by building a high tech fence along its Sinai border and it has stopped the terrorists from Lebanon, Syria and the Palestinians with similar fences, so a proper barrier does seal the border. It is nonsense to say you support border security but oppose the wall since no one has been able to come up with anything that will do as well.

Congress will never fund any of it, sweetie

 

[toomuchtime_]

With surcharges on the billions of $ in money transfers each month from the US to Mexico.

Thats gonna go over real well with companies who do business in Mexico as well as American citizens making investments in real estate

Ok, if it will make you feel better, the surcharge can only apply to individuals sending money to individuals in Mexico.

So if I needed to send money to a family member in Mexico i would have to pay a surcharge? I thought Mexico was paying for this wall?

It will mean the Mexican government will have to pay billions more in welfare to make up for the money Mexicans in the US will have to pay because of this surcharge.

How bout the fact that Congress will never approve a single penny for this wall. End of story

That's hardly a fact.