Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples

[Kondor3]

Change is hard to swallow for some. Just look at the posters on this board with everything from the necessity of the wot to gay marriage.
We are literally being governed by a bunch of children. There are issues worthy of not giving an inch of your ground.....this is not one of them.

Americans are a bunch of ******* children, hence the problem...

No, the problem is snotty Liberals who think they know soooo much better than the American People, about how to run things.

Well, you're sure to get another turn at-bat sometime soon, but the current turn-at-bat is just about played out.

After January 20, 2017... Fun TIme is over for a while... back down to the Minors for you, for a while, to cool your heels, while the rest of the country begins to un-tangle some of your mistakes and arrogant and unilateral social engineering abortions.

 

[The Rabbi]

You already agreed we arent discussing Muslims.
On point, refusing to bow to a tyrannical unjust regime is patriotism. The clerk deserves a medal.

So you would oppose a Muslim that refused to do their job, but support a Christian not doing theirs. I knew that. You're an anti gay bigot.

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

 

[The sheeple sea]

So you would oppose a Muslim that refused to do their job, but support a Christian not doing theirs. I knew that. You're an anti gay bigot.

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Not if the government is imposing on her to follow the law...
I guess it's tyranny when a cop forces you to obey traffic laws against your will.
If you disagree with the government that much as a government employee, then quit.
Do the job or lose it.

 

[The sheeple sea]

So you would oppose a Muslim that refused to do their job, but support a Christian not doing theirs. I knew that. You're an anti gay bigot.

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

You need a link to know government employees are supposed to follow the laws, not their hearts?

 

[The Rabbi]

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Not if the government is imposing on her to follow the law...
I guess it's tyranny when a cop forces you to obey traffic laws against your will.
If you disagree with the government that much as a government employee, then quit.
Do the job or lose it.

Rosa Parks should have just sucked it up and mvoed to the back of the bus, right?
Pot smokers in CO should all be arrested because they're violating the law.

 

[The sheeple sea]

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Not if the government is imposing on her to follow the law...
I guess it's tyranny when a cop forces you to obey traffic laws against your will.
If you disagree with the government that much as a government employee, then quit.
Do the job or lose it.

Rosa Parks should have just sucked it up and mvoed to the back of the bus, right?
Pot smokers in CO should all be arrested because they're violating the law.

If YOUR JOB is in the government, then YOUR JOB is to follow the law. If you want to resist government tyranny as a CITIZEN then feel free to do so with the knowledge of the consequences, yes, there are times to stand up to the law. If a business or individual does not want to support gay marriage that is your right as a bigot. It is not an individual liberty that she can issue marriage licenses to whoever she likes, it is her JOB to move legal documents through the correct procedures, she can protest gay marriage all she wants from the unemployment line

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

To what? Click on the OP.

Nothing in the link says anything close to what you said, hence the request for another link.

What is it you don't think the OP said? That her office is refusing to issue licenses? That's what the whole thread is about!

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis said Monday that her Christian beliefs make it impossible for her to give marriage licenses to gay men or lesbians seeking to marry a member of the same sex. Rather than face claims of discrimination, Davis said, her office in Morehead is refusing marriage licenses to all couples until further notice.

Read more here: Lexington KY local and state news by the Lexington Herald-Leader Kentucky.com

So Cruz was talking about TX County Clerks and you're talking about KY County Clerks, the following is what the op said.

From the link in the op: (my bold) On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.

He lost...TX clerks are doing their jobs despite what the lawless Cruz told them to do.

A few KY clerks are willfully disobeying the law.

You support illegals, you support your dear leaders executive samnesty and have the gall to call Cruz, expressing an opinion, lawless. Isn't that just a tad bit hypocritical?

Give it up Tex..It's over O-V-E-R Why are we even doing this? These refusenicks are just prolonging the agony. Mostly their own agony. Anyway, I thought that Texas was going to secede from the union? What are you still doing here? That would be the only way that Cruz or Perry will ever be the president of anything.

 

[Debra K]

So you would oppose a Muslim that refused to do their job, but support a Christian not doing theirs. I knew that. You're an anti gay bigot.

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Up is down. Your Orwellian thinking is clearly stupid. Kim Davis is the tyrant. She is the one engaged in tyranny.

Kim Davis was not hired. She was elected. The county clerk in Kentucky is mandated by state statutory law to issue marriage licenses to qualified applicants. The county clerk is free to delegate that statutory duty to one of her deputy clerks who had no objection. Kim Davis, in her official capacity as county clerk, is an agent of the state government. The state government does not have religious beliefs. The First Amendment prohibits the state from establishing religion. Kim Davis ran afoul of the First Amendment when she instituted an official policy to deny marriage licenses to qualified applicants based on her personal religious beliefs. As an agent for the state, Kim Davis cannot impose her personal religious beliefs on the public she was elected to serve. Requiring her to do perform the official duties she was elected to perform is not tyranny. She, on the other hand, is the tyrant. She is committing grievous tyranny against the people she was elected to serve.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Change is hard to swallow for some. Just look at the posters on this board with everything from the necessity of the wot to gay marriage.
We are literally being governed by a bunch of children. There are issues worthy of not giving an inch of your ground.....this is not one of them.

Americans are a bunch of ******* children, hence the problem...

No, the problem is snotty Liberals who think they know soooo much better than the American People, about how to run things.

Well, you're sure to get another turn at-bat sometime soon, but the current turn-at-bat is just about played out.

After January 20, 2017... Fun TIme is over for a while... back down to the Minors for you, for a while, to cool your heels, while the rest of the country begins to un-tangle some of your mistakes and arrogant and unilateral social engineering abortions.

Americans are a bunch of ******* children, hence the problem...

 

[OKTexas]

Nothing in the link says anything close to what you said, hence the request for another link.

What is it you don't think the OP said? That her office is refusing to issue licenses? That's what the whole thread is about!

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis said Monday that her Christian beliefs make it impossible for her to give marriage licenses to gay men or lesbians seeking to marry a member of the same sex. Rather than face claims of discrimination, Davis said, her office in Morehead is refusing marriage licenses to all couples until further notice.

Read more here: Lexington KY local and state news by the Lexington Herald-Leader Kentucky.com

So Cruz was talking about TX County Clerks and you're talking about KY County Clerks, the following is what the op said.

From the link in the op: (my bold) On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.

He lost...TX clerks are doing their jobs despite what the lawless Cruz told them to do.

A few KY clerks are willfully disobeying the law.

You support illegals, you support your dear leaders executive samnesty and have the gall to call Cruz, expressing an opinion, lawless. Isn't that just a tad bit hypocritical?

Give it up Tex..It's over O-V-E-R Why are we even doing this? These refusenicks are just prolonging the agony. Mostly their own agony. Anyway, I thought that Texas was going to secede from the union? What are you still doing here? That would be the only way that Cruz or Perry will ever be the president of anything.

Why don't you try addressing what I said instead of spewing your irrelevant crap.

 

[The Rabbi]

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Not if the government is imposing on her to follow the law...
I guess it's tyranny when a cop forces you to obey traffic laws against your will.
If you disagree with the government that much as a government employee, then quit.
Do the job or lose it.

Rosa Parks should have just sucked it up and mvoed to the back of the bus, right?
Pot smokers in CO should all be arrested because they're violating the law.

If YOUR JOB is in the government, then YOUR JOB is to follow the law. If you want to resist government tyranny as a CITIZEN then feel free to do so with the knowledge of the consequences, yes, there are times to stand up to the law. If a business or individual does not want to support gay marriage that is your right as a bigot. It is not an individual liberty that she can issue marriage licenses to whoever she likes, it is her JOB to move legal documents through the correct procedures, she can protest gay marriage all she wants from the unemployment line

The law protects religious freedom, which this is part of. There is no law that can infringe on free exercise of religion. If you insist she should be fired then there 1A protections mean nothing.

 

[The Rabbi]

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Up is down. Your Orwellian thinking is clearly stupid. Kim Davis is the tyrant. She is the one engaged in tyranny.

Kim Davis was not hired. She was elected. The county clerk in Kentucky is mandated by state statutory law to issue marriage licenses to qualified applicants. The county clerk is free to delegate that statutory duty to one of her deputy clerks who had no objection. Kim Davis, in her official capacity as county clerk, is an agent of the state government. The state government does not have religious beliefs. The First Amendment prohibits the state from establishing religion. Kim Davis ran afoul of the First Amendment when she instituted an official policy to deny marriage licenses to qualified applicants based on her personal religious beliefs. As an agent for the state, Kim Davis cannot impose her personal religious beliefs on the public she was elected to serve. Requiring her to do perform the official duties she was elected to perform is not tyranny. She, on the other hand, is the tyrant. She is committing grievous tyranny against the people she was elected to serve.

She was elected by the same people who voted for 1 Man 1 Woman marriage. She is courageously taking a stand against tyranny by refusing an unconstitutional infringement on her rights. She was not hired to register gay marriages.

 

[Syriusly]

I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.

That's your hateful opinion. It does nothing but display your animus against homosexual persons, which is evidence of the need to protect the persons you hate from your harmful conduct.

Nope. I love all people.
I just hate to see them hurt themselves by giving in to their deviant lust.

How many of them have you watched give into their deviant lust?

I normally don't indulge in my deviant lusts in front of anyone other than my wife- what about you?

All of them? You have no deviant lusts you keep to yourself?

All of the deviant lusts I indulge in......I share with my lover.

 

[Syriusly]

So you would oppose a Muslim that refused to do their job, but support a Christian not doing theirs. I knew that. You're an anti gay bigot.

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

I am fairly confident her job description didn't say 'marrying straight people'.

Requiring her to do her job is not tyranny.

 

[Syriusly]

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Not if the government is imposing on her to follow the law...
I guess it's tyranny when a cop forces you to obey traffic laws against your will.
If you disagree with the government that much as a government employee, then quit.
Do the job or lose it.

Rosa Parks should have just sucked it up and mvoed to the back of the bus, right?
Pot smokers in CO should all be arrested because they're violating the law.

Oh the poor victims.....being asked to do your job- which you are paid for- is just the same in your mind as being told to ride in the back of the bus because of the color of your skin.

And as for the pot smokers in Colorado- if their employer doesn't allow them to smoke pot on the job, and they smoke it- fire their asses too.

 

[Debra K]

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Not if the government is imposing on her to follow the law...
I guess it's tyranny when a cop forces you to obey traffic laws against your will.
If you disagree with the government that much as a government employee, then quit.
Do the job or lose it.

Rosa Parks should have just sucked it up and mvoed to the back of the bus, right?
Pot smokers in CO should all be arrested because they're violating the law.

Both false analogies.

Rosa Parks was not an elected government official refusing to do perform official duties. The same for "pot smokers in CO".

 

[Debra K]

No, she was hired to follow the laws and regulations of that government institution.

Link?
SHe was hired to register marriages, straight marriages. Imposing on her to register gay marriages against her will is tyranny.

Not if the government is imposing on her to follow the law...
I guess it's tyranny when a cop forces you to obey traffic laws against your will.
If you disagree with the government that much as a government employee, then quit.
Do the job or lose it.

Rosa Parks should have just sucked it up and mvoed to the back of the bus, right?
Pot smokers in CO should all be arrested because they're violating the law.

If YOUR JOB is in the government, then YOUR JOB is to follow the law. If you want to resist government tyranny as a CITIZEN then feel free to do so with the knowledge of the consequences, yes, there are times to stand up to the law. If a business or individual does not want to support gay marriage that is your right as a bigot. It is not an individual liberty that she can issue marriage licenses to whoever she likes, it is her JOB to move legal documents through the correct procedures, she can protest gay marriage all she wants from the unemployment line

The law protects religious freedom, which this is part of. There is no law that can infringe on free exercise of religion. If you insist she should be fired then there 1A protections mean nothing.

When she is acting in her official capacity as the elected county clerk, she is an agent for the state ... and the state doesn't have "religious freedom". If she was a mere employee, she would be entitled to reasonable accommodation for her religious beliefs so long as the employer (the state) was not substantially burdened. A reasonable accommodation for an employee would be to assign the task to another employee who did not have a religious objection. Even Kim Davis, the elected official, could have assigned the duty of issuing marriage licenses to qualified applicants to one of her 6 deputy clerks. Instead, she instituted an unconstitutional official policy that gives supremacy to her own personal religious beliefs. We do not live in a nation where the people are governed by the religious beliefs of every petty government official. The First Amendment means what it has always meant. She is still free to believe anything she wants to believe, but she must still perform the official duties of her state government office.

 

[Seawytch]

To what? Click on the OP.

Nothing in the link says anything close to what you said, hence the request for another link.

What is it you don't think the OP said? That her office is refusing to issue licenses? That's what the whole thread is about!

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis said Monday that her Christian beliefs make it impossible for her to give marriage licenses to gay men or lesbians seeking to marry a member of the same sex. Rather than face claims of discrimination, Davis said, her office in Morehead is refusing marriage licenses to all couples until further notice.

Read more here: Lexington KY local and state news by the Lexington Herald-Leader Kentucky.com

So Cruz was talking about TX County Clerks and you're talking about KY County Clerks, the following is what the op said.

From the link in the op: (my bold) On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.

He lost...TX clerks are doing their jobs despite what the lawless Cruz told them to do.

A few KY clerks are willfully disobeying the law.

You support illegals, you support your dear leaders executive samnesty and have the gall to call Cruz, expressing an opinion, lawless. Isn't that just a tad bit hypocritical?

I support changing the law, not breaking it. Cruz supports breaking it.

 

[Seawytch]

You wouldn't want a Muslim public servant that refused to do their job fired? Really?

You already agreed we arent discussing Muslims.
On point, refusing to bow to a tyrannical unjust regime is patriotism. The clerk deserves a medal.

So you would oppose a Muslim that refused to do their job, but support a Christian not doing theirs. I knew that. You're an anti gay bigot.

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

Yes Rabbi, we know you support only bigoted Christians, but think a Muslim should be fired if they don't do their jobs. We get it.

 

[paddymurphy]

You wouldn't want a Muslim public servant that refused to do their job fired? Really?

You already agreed we arent discussing Muslims.
On point, refusing to bow to a tyrannical unjust regime is patriotism. The clerk deserves a medal.

So you would oppose a Muslim that refused to do their job, but support a Christian not doing theirs. I knew that. You're an anti gay bigot.

We arent discusssing Muslims. WHy do you insist on bringing it up if we've already disposed of that issue?
I support people opposing unconstitiutional infrignements on their liberty, whatever they may be. You are a totalitarian statist. We get that.

Except that's not what she's doing. She's intentionally not doing the job she swore an oath to do. She should be fired...just like the Muslim that doesn't issue marriage licenses to infidels.

Wrong. She is issuing marriage licenses. To straight couples. Which is what she was hired to do.

She was hired to issue marriage licenses to those legally allowed to marry.