Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery...

[Bush92]

Sounds like a No.

They are all long gone. Let it go, and if you must decry something, try to make it about something relevant.

Again...what's your point?

I'm saying don't white wash history and pretend there were good points for slavery. There were none for the slaves and we should not teach that there were. That's relevent and today.

You don't see my obvious point? An entire race is being held accountable for the actions of less than 2%. That's my point.

Another Lost Causer. ^

It's not a "point" when you skew the numbers to include the enormous population numbers of the North, which inluded a minuscule number of slaves.

Nearly 30% of Southern families owned slaves.

There were only 1 million free southern families in the South in 1860.

Nearly four million slaves.

Really?

So the 1860 US Census was wrong?

According to the census, only 8% owned slaves.

Learn to Google!

1860 Census Results

Damn. You're dumber that I thought.

Not only do you not know who started the war, you can't even read the post you're quoting.

Path to Civil War began after Bacon’s rebellion.

 

[Political Junky]

Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery

SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio charter school has apologized after a teacher asked students in an eighth grade American history class to list the positive and negative aspects of slavery. The teacher at Great Hearts Monte Vista who distributed a worksheet titled "The Life of Slaves: A Balanced View" has been placed on leave.

Aaron Kindel, the superintendent of Great Hearts Texas, said in a statement the school would audit the textbook associated with the lesson.

"To be clear, there is no debate about slavery. It is immoral and a crime against humanity," Kindel said in a statement posted Thursday on the Great Hearts Facebook page. He said the school's headmaster plans to explain the mistake to the history class.

Scott Overland, a spokesman for Pearson, which published the textbook, said the company didn't create and doesn't endorse the worksheet assigned to the students, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.

"We do not support the point of view represented in the worksheet and strongly condemn the implication that there was any positive aspect to slavery," Overland said.

A parent of one of the students in the class posted the worksheet Wednesday on Facebook. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, drew attention to the issue on Thursday when the Democrat tweeted that the worksheet was "absolutely unacceptable."

Let's see...

1. Free labor.

2. The cotton industry was booming.

3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".

4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.

Can you think of any more?

It’s a good historical question. Asking the students to transport themselves back in time to look at a controversial issue. Same can be done with the Holocaust. Then bring the issue forward and look at it from this time and place.

And you can name some good things about the holocaust?

Is terminating the life of a severely mentally and physically disabled child a cruel thing? Or is it much more diabolical to let them live in that state for years?

Then you're pro-choice?

 

[Bush92]

Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery

SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio charter school has apologized after a teacher asked students in an eighth grade American history class to list the positive and negative aspects of slavery. The teacher at Great Hearts Monte Vista who distributed a worksheet titled "The Life of Slaves: A Balanced View" has been placed on leave.

Aaron Kindel, the superintendent of Great Hearts Texas, said in a statement the school would audit the textbook associated with the lesson.

"To be clear, there is no debate about slavery. It is immoral and a crime against humanity," Kindel said in a statement posted Thursday on the Great Hearts Facebook page. He said the school's headmaster plans to explain the mistake to the history class.

Scott Overland, a spokesman for Pearson, which published the textbook, said the company didn't create and doesn't endorse the worksheet assigned to the students, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.

"We do not support the point of view represented in the worksheet and strongly condemn the implication that there was any positive aspect to slavery," Overland said.

A parent of one of the students in the class posted the worksheet Wednesday on Facebook. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, drew attention to the issue on Thursday when the Democrat tweeted that the worksheet was "absolutely unacceptable."

Let's see...

1. Free labor.

2. The cotton industry was booming.

3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".

4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.

Can you think of any more?

It’s a good historical question. Asking the students to transport themselves back in time to look at a controversial issue. Same can be done with the Holocaust. Then bring the issue forward and look at it from this time and place.

And you can name some good things about the holocaust?

Is terminating the life of a severely mentally and physically disabled child a cruel thing? Or is it much more diabolical to let them live in that state for years?

Then you're pro-choice?

If the situation dictates. So your pro-life?

 

[Political Junky]

Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery

Let's see...

1. Free labor.

2. The cotton industry was booming.

3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".

4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.

Can you think of any more?

It’s a good historical question. Asking the students to transport themselves back in time to look at a controversial issue. Same can be done with the Holocaust. Then bring the issue forward and look at it from this time and place.

And you can name some good things about the holocaust?

Is terminating the life of a severely mentally and physically disabled child a cruel thing? Or is it much more diabolical to let them live in that state for years?

Then you're pro-choice?

If the situation dictates. So your pro-life?

I have stated before that I'm pro-choice. I'm not for killing them after they're born, as you suggested.

 

[Bush92]

It’s a good historical question. Asking the students to transport themselves back in time to look at a controversial issue. Same can be done with the Holocaust. Then bring the issue forward and look at it from this time and place.

And you can name some good things about the holocaust?

Is terminating the life of a severely mentally and physically disabled child a cruel thing? Or is it much more diabolical to let them live in that state for years?

Then you're pro-choice?

If the situation dictates. So your pro-life?

Yes, as I have stated before. I'm not for them killing after they're born, as you suggested.

So your alright with years of suffering? Unable to brush your own teeth...wallowing in a bed with your own feces?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sounds like a No.

They are all long gone. Let it go, and if you must decry something, try to make it about something relevant.

Again...what's your point?

I'm saying don't white wash history and pretend there were good points for slavery. There were none for the slaves and we should not teach that there were. That's relevent and today.

You don't see my obvious point? An entire race is being held accountable for the actions of less than 2%. That's my point.

Another Lost Causer. ^

It's not a "point" when you skew the numbers to include the enormous population numbers of the North, which inluded a minuscule number of slaves.

Nearly 30% of Southern families owned slaves.

There were only 1 million free southern families in the South in 1860.

Nearly four million slaves.

Really?

So the 1860 US Census was wrong?

According to the census, only 8% owned slaves.

Learn to Google!

1860 Census Results

Damn. You're dumber that I thought.

Not only do you not know who started the war, you can't even read the post you're quoting.

You can't dispute my facts, so you go personal. Typical! Dumbass!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Again...what's your point?

I'm saying don't white wash history and pretend there were good points for slavery. There were none for the slaves and we should not teach that there were. That's relevent and today.

You don't see my obvious point? An entire race is being held accountable for the actions of less than 2%. That's my point.

Another Lost Causer. ^

It's not a "point" when you skew the numbers to include the enormous population numbers of the North, which inluded a minuscule number of slaves.

Nearly 30% of Southern families owned slaves.

There were only 1 million free southern families in the South in 1860.

Nearly four million slaves.

Really?

So the 1860 US Census was wrong?

According to the census, only 8% owned slaves.

Learn to Google!

1860 Census Results

Damn. You're dumber that I thought.

Not only do you not know who started the war, you can't even read the post you're quoting.

Path to Civil War began after Bacon’s rebellion.

Ummmm, bacon!

 

[iceberg]

The slaves were fed, clothed, sheltered. They paid for nothing.

So are the inmates of our nation's prisons and jails. If those things are such a positive then you wouldn't mind doing some time to show how it ain't that bad right?

no one said you'd have to be that person NOR that there were not also negatives to it NOR that anyone advocated it.

but the left simply won't allow anything that can bitch at to go unbitched at.

 

[Coyote]

History is full of happy slaves.

And you would know . . . . how? Did you interview them all? You don't think there were some slaves living in mansions and plantations as cooks, maids and personal servants that realized they had it better off than most and certainly better than still being in Africa on some hot plain living in a straw hut full of flies and disease? How ready you are to believe the worst horror stories but how cognitively blind you allow yourself to the notion that any of it could have been less so just because you have the advantage of two centuries context to see it in. If you had to go back and live in 1840 right now, I bet you wouldn't like it even if you were a rich, white woman.

Would you rather be a slave or a free man?

 

[Coyote]

Always we hear about the value of freedom, fighting for, wherever you are. A core value in our culture.

Unless that person is black? Then that person might be better off captive in some rich foreign nation then a village in Africa among his community, family and values, free?

That is twisted.

 

[iceberg]

Always we hear about the value of freedom, fighting for, wherever you are. A core value in our culture.

Unless that person is black? Then that person might be better off captive in some rich foreign nation then a village in Africa among his community, family and values, free?

That is twisted.

we hear about free speech and the right for all to express their views. until that person is conservative.

*not* comparing free speech to slavery, but just noting human nature isn't 1 sided.

 

[paperview]

Again...what's your point?

I'm saying don't white wash history and pretend there were good points for slavery. There were none for the slaves and we should not teach that there were. That's relevent and today.

You don't see my obvious point? An entire race is being held accountable for the actions of less than 2%. That's my point.

Another Lost Causer. ^

It's not a "point" when you skew the numbers to include the enormous population numbers of the North, which inluded a minuscule number of slaves.

Nearly 30% of Southern families owned slaves.

There were only 1 million free southern families in the South in 1860.

Nearly four million slaves.

Really?

So the 1860 US Census was wrong?

According to the census, only 8% owned slaves.

Learn to Google!

1860 Census Results

Damn. You're dumber that I thought.

Not only do you not know who started the war, you can't even read the post you're quoting.

You can't dispute my facts, so you go personal. Typical! Dumbass!

You QUOTED me, idiot -- which explained how the stat was skewed - then posted a link to the census which confirmed my statement, you were just too ignorant to understand it - or maybe as I said, you didn't even read it.

 

[Unkotare]

Again...what's your point?

I'm saying don't white wash history and pretend there were good points for slavery. There were none for the slaves and we should not teach that there were. That's relevent and today.

You don't see my obvious point? An entire race is being held accountable for the actions of less than 2%. That's my point.

Another Lost Causer. ^

It's not a "point" when you skew the numbers to include the enormous population numbers of the North, which inluded a minuscule number of slaves.

Nearly 30% of Southern families owned slaves.

There were only 1 million free southern families in the South in 1860.

Nearly four million slaves.

Really?

So the 1860 US Census was wrong?

According to the census, only 8% owned slaves.

Learn to Google!

1860 Census Results

Damn. You're dumber that I thought.

Not only do you not know who started the war, you can't even read the post you're quoting.

Path to Civil War began after Bacon’s rebellion.

It began with the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Correll]

People who constantly pound on about how bad and evil white folks in America were for keeping slaves generally ignore the fact that slavery's been around throughout mankind in all parts of the world. That's just the way man rolled for centuries; it was a natural part of life and not looked at as morally wrong or anything. Not saying it was right or endorsing it. That's just the way it was and it was handed down through generations across cultures, continents, etc.

Pretty much every other advanced nation had abolished slavery decades before our Civil War.

And they abolished slavery peacefully.

It's a pretty wretched indictment on the South they were one of the few places in the world that would fight to the bloody death one of the worst wars in history to preserve human bondage.

Is it one of the few places that would fight, or one of the few places thatHe made a moral judgement, I was asking a question to see if he could back it up.

COULD fight?

Are you purposely trying to highlight your stupidity?

You were responding to me --

My comment was:

"Pretty much every other advanced nation had abolished slavery decades before our Civil War.

And they abolished slavery peacefully.

It's a pretty wretched indictment on the South they were one of the few places in the world that would fight to the bloody death one of the worst wars in history to preserve human bondage."

Your reply was: "Is it one of the few places that would fight, or one of the few places that COULD fight?"

Damn right I'm making a moral judgement...but, go head...

Why don't you go on tell us what you mean by this remark?

My point was that assuming that the South "was one of the few places that would fight" based on the fact that it is one of the few that DID fight, is unsupported,

and your moral judgement self serving pap.


Most of the world was ruled by European globe spanning empires. They were centrally controlled and undemocratic.


They used slavery to a huge degree, in their empires for centuries, until they suddenly realized that it was wrong. Then they were able to force their new policies on to the slave using societies THEY had created, without concern for what the slaver owners wanted.


The difference was not that their slavers were "nicer", but that they had less political representation in the centers of their political power.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Do you think all blacks should be held responsible for what 2% of their population does?

What does that have to do with anything? Hint: I hold no one responsible for the actions of over a century ago. The only one's responsible for an action are those committing the action.

Sounds like a No.

They are all long gone. Let it go, and if you must decry something, try to make it about something relevant.

Again...what's your point?

I'm saying don't white wash history and pretend there were good points for slavery. There were none for the slaves and we should not teach that there were. That's relevent and today.

You don't see my obvious point? An entire race is being held accountable for the actions of less than 2%. That's my point.

Racism in America is not solely due to slavery although it can be said that's where it got it's start. It's the institutional racism that is the problem today. Laws that were passed and court cases that ruled that whites were not just superior to blacks but also that people of African descent natural station in life was to be in servitude to the white race. This is documented in many places throughout history and then based on this belief ensured that society was shaped in accordance to this belief via Black Codes and other Jim Crow laws.

Today you have government (read: systemic) racism in the form of the CBC, affirmative action, racial hiring quotas, etc.

All brought to you by the same party who has always been race-driven.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

no one said you'd have to be that person NOR that there were not also negatives to it NOR that anyone advocated it.

but the left simply won't allow anything that can bitch at to go unbitched at.

Trying to put a spin on something like this is more than a little bit disingenuous in my opinion.

 

[iceberg]

no one said you'd have to be that person NOR that there were not also negatives to it NOR that anyone advocated it.

but the left simply won't allow anything that can bitch at to go unbitched at.

Trying to put a spin on something like this is more than a little bit disingenuous in my opinion.

and? done every day anymore, usually intentional to push an agenda. this is what happens when we "normalize the extreme". you don't get to pick how it happens or how others will use a precedent set in doing this.

so when we let some politicians get away with crap cause we like them, we only encourage the other side to come in and do worse to "push the envelope" more. and more; and more.

and here we are. yay us.

 

[TNHarley]

A harder question would be "what wasnt positive about slavery"

 

[regent]

Did the good points of slavery boil down to money? If so the students the students should know that interesting little thing about people. They might also see some other bad practices we have is also the result of money,

 

[Gracie]

Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery

SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio charter school has apologized after a teacher asked students in an eighth grade American history class to list the positive and negative aspects of slavery. The teacher at Great Hearts Monte Vista who distributed a worksheet titled "The Life of Slaves: A Balanced View" has been placed on leave.

Aaron Kindel, the superintendent of Great Hearts Texas, said in a statement the school would audit the textbook associated with the lesson.

"To be clear, there is no debate about slavery. It is immoral and a crime against humanity," Kindel said in a statement posted Thursday on the Great Hearts Facebook page. He said the school's headmaster plans to explain the mistake to the history class.

Scott Overland, a spokesman for Pearson, which published the textbook, said the company didn't create and doesn't endorse the worksheet assigned to the students, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.

"We do not support the point of view represented in the worksheet and strongly condemn the implication that there was any positive aspect to slavery," Overland said.

A parent of one of the students in the class posted the worksheet Wednesday on Facebook. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, drew attention to the issue on Thursday when the Democrat tweeted that the worksheet was "absolutely unacceptable."

Let's see...

1. Free labor.

2. The cotton industry was booming.

3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".

4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.

Can you think of any more?

It’s a good historical question. Asking the students to transport themselves back in time to look at a controversial issue. Same can be done with the Holocaust. Then bring the issue forward and look at it from this time and place.

And you can name some good things about the holocaust?

Is terminating the life of a severely mentally and physically disabled child a cruel thing? Or is it much more diabolical to let them live in that state for years?

We wouldn't allow that with our pets. But its ok to let a human being suffer I guess.