Tea Party takes power; Murder rate soars up 21%

[bucs90]

I see bucs90 has fled from his own thread after being thoroughly thrashed in a lie...

What lie? The murder rate did go up 21%. South Carolina has long had a violent crime problem. Over the past 20 years, police in this state have fought hard to get it under control. And slowly but surely they did. In the latter part of the 2000's, it really started getting under control.

But then, in 2010, the Tea Party took power in city halls, county councils and the state government. They instantly slashed budgets, starting with what is usually the biggest budget item locally- police. And within a year, a relatively low murder rate by state historic standards spiked back up to it's ugly, violent past numbers.

Funny how one year of radicalism in power can reverse years of hard work.

As for why the murder rate went up 21%, but other violent crime- robbery, etc- went down? Easy. When a robbery occurs, you get charged with robbery. When a robbery occurs, and the perp murders the victim, you get charged with murder. Thats how a few robberies went down, and murders went up.

Combine that with "UCR policing", where PD's see a spike in crime, and they label reports with only the most serious crime that occurred. So while a burglary/robbery may have occurred, if they kill someone, they title the report UCR just "murder".

Its fairly normal for murder rates to spike and other violent crimes see a slight drop. Because the murder charge wipes out some of the UCR reports for what would've just been a robbery or assault.

Gotta read up on this stuff to understand it.

what? I live in Ocnee county, you get thrown in jail for a day just for j-walking. they are dudes serving 6 months in jail for non payment of child support. their is No Work release.

Oconee is a far away land compared to North Charleston and the East Side of downtown Charleston. Two different worlds. I will say, however, to be fair....the upstate counties like Oconee, Greenville, Spartanburg, Anderson, etc, have been much less willing to slash PD budgets, well, sheriffs dept budgets anyway. The upstate still has some reasonable people who believe in law and order.

 

[bucs90]

There has been a spike in crime in many major cities since the curse of obama. He said Chicago was a model for the nation.

Yep. It isnt as much about GOP vs Democrat. Chicago PD has had staffing problems for years.

Fewer cops on the street results in more crime. That is tried and true in every city in America. NYC proved it. Chicago is proving it. South Carolina is proving it. Add more cops (good cops that is) or take them away. The result of both are very very predictable.

 

[FA_Q2]

I see bucs90 has fled from his own thread after being thoroughly thrashed in a lie...

What lie? The murder rate did go up 21%. South Carolina has long had a violent crime problem. Over the past 20 years, police in this state have fought hard to get it under control. And slowly but surely they did. In the latter part of the 2000's, it really started getting under control.

But then, in 2010, the Tea Party took power in city halls, county councils and the state government. They instantly slashed budgets, starting with what is usually the biggest budget item locally- police. And within a year, a relatively low murder rate by state historic standards spiked back up to it's ugly, violent past numbers.

Funny how one year of radicalism in power can reverse years of hard work.

As for why the murder rate went up 21%, but other violent crime- robbery, etc- went down? Easy. When a robbery occurs, you get charged with robbery. When a robbery occurs, and the perp murders the victim, you get charged with murder. Thats how a few robberies went down, and murders went up.

Combine that with "UCR policing", where PD's see a spike in crime, and they label reports with only the most serious crime that occurred. So while a burglary/robbery may have occurred, if they kill someone, they title the report UCR just "murder".

Its fairly normal for murder rates to spike and other violent crimes see a slight drop. Because the murder charge wipes out some of the UCR reports for what would've just been a robbery or assault.

Gotta read up on this stuff to understand it.

Lies of omission. In your defense, it might have not been a lie; it could have been through outright ignorance.

You emphasized an increase in murder rate over ONE year. This alone is completely dishonest as year to year statistics are utterly meaningless. If you have ever looked at crime stats they are not nice and even. There are spikes both up and down all over the place. What matters are trends, something that you have not established.

Further, you DIRECTLY claimed that there was MORE crime. That is a flat out falsehood as your cite stated directly that LESS violent crime was committed. Specifically, 1163 fewer violent crimes were committed while 55 more murders were committed all with a population increase of 42000.

You then relate this to tea party politics but refrain from actually providing any real connections. All we get are supposed cuts to patrolmen. Of course, those cuts in police forces led to fewer crimes but lets just ignore that part because we didn’t get any actual cite that there were, in fact, any fewer police on the streets anyway. That baseless claim has zero to back it up.

To further add to your abuse of statistical analysis, you don’t seem to mind that the Tea Party was not around to blame a short 10 years ago when 2001-2002 the murder rate rose an astounding 40 percent! Or perhaps that there was a large drop (15 percent) in the murder rate the previous year (32% in the last 3 combined) That crime rate trend was not going to last forever, eventually there is going to be a bump in the statistics. What matters is if that becomes a trend or if it was a bad year. The fact that other crime rates did not follow suit completely disagrees with the supposition that it is a rising trend or that police officers being pulled from the streets caused the increase.

Then there is this gem:

As for why the murder rate went up 21%, but other violent crime- robbery, etc- went down? Easy. When a robbery occurs, you get charged with robbery. When a robbery occurs, and the perp murders the victim, you get charged with murder. Thats how a few robberies went down, and murders went up.

I will repeat the rate: there were 55 more murders. There were 1163 LESS violent crimes. The above is another obscuring of facts either through ignorance of the numbers or a direct lie. Just to let you know: violent crime INCLUDES murder. That means, those 320 TOTAL murders are actually included in the numbers of violent crimes so the violent crime rate will not change at all no matter how many robberies or assaults become murders. Even if 100% of all violent crimes were to become murders, the violent crime rate would stay the same. Your claim that crime rates dropped because of the increase in murders is completely backwards and, quite frankly, impossible.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Report (FBI UCR) counts four categories of crime as violent crimes: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.[13] It should be noted that there are two methods of recording crime in the US. These do not look at exactly the same crimes. The UCR measures crimes reported to police, and classes violent crime as above.

Violent crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pssst. The numbers linked below are the UCR rates reported by the state to the FBI as required by law.

Basically, when you ask what lie, my answer is your baseless conjecture that the Tea Party is causing a homicide increase in South Carolina because key fact were omitted or completely ignored. Then you dug in further in your response by stating things that were completely false.

This is even further made laughable because you said this:

Gotta read up on this stuff to understand it.

Perhaps you should actually take your advice. You might learn something


South Carolina Crime Rates 1960 - 2011

 

[The Breeze]

This thread has taken stupidity to a new level.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lmao whats this shit? I live in south carolina. topic fail.

Bucs90 was a "Conservative", until the Tea Party cut federal funding to the local police, then he did a complete Jake Starkey and became an Obamaroid

He's funny -- without meaning to be, of course.

Federal funding to PD's hasn't been cut yet. Homeland Security and the FBI still give grants to local PD's all the time. Under Obama, a Dem Senate and a GOP House, that has not changed (probably due to Dems holding 2 of those 3).

The Tea Party has slashed PD funding drastically at the local and state levels.

And yes, when the TP whacks began turning on cops and turning against the government in general, in a whacky tin foil hat way, yes- I left the insanity of the GOP.

^ Comedic Gold!

"I used to be a real Republican, Jimmeny!"

 

[Ernie S.]

Odd.

Did you read the article?

"The state’s violent crime rate, which includes murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault, decreased 2.2 percent from 2010, according to SLED’s Uniform Crime Report."

Did you?

The murder rate spiked in 2010 - 2011.

That's in keeping with the OP.

Race of murderers and their party affiliation?. I'm betting <50% of perpetrators are non-white and would vote Democrat if they didn't already have felony convictions.

 

[Ernie S.]

Data from http://www.sled.sc.gov/Documents/CrimeReporting/SCCrimeBooks/2005/019-028.pdf
Compiled by South Carolina: The Color of Crime (Rape, Robbery, Homicide) | Occidental Dissent

 

[Uncensored2008]

Did you?

The murder rate spiked in 2010 - 2011.

That's in keeping with the OP.

From the lowest level in history in 09-10.

More leftist fuckwadary with no rational basis.