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President Trump has propounded two false beliefs about tariffs which his followers have been parroting.


Myth 1: Tariffs are paid by the exporting country.

Trump claims China pays for the tariffs he imposes on imports from China. This is a stunning claim considering he has his line of clothing made there, and his daughter has fashion goods made there.

You can bet he knows better than what he claims.

Elon Musk has his Teslas made in China.

So much for America First.

I am surprised Musk has not publicly corrected Trump on this huge misconception. But then again, Musk is expecting Trump to exempt Teslas from tariffs. That's why he spent so much money to get Trump elected.

Tariffs are paid by the importers. US companies pay them. And they pass those tariff costs on to their customers.

Trump's tariffs are a tax on the American consumer, not China.

Here's the really evil thing about Trump's tariffs: He knows you are paying for them. He is lying when he says China pays them.

And we know this how?

We know this because Trump exempted his large donors from tariffs. Now why would he do that if he thought China was paying them and not those US companies?

During this latest campaign, Apple CEO Tim Cook donated $1 million to Trump.


And that is because Trump exempted Apple's products during his last tariff war, and Cook wants him to continue to provide that exemption.






We live in an oligarchy, and you are paying for their privileges.



Myth 2: We can eliminate the personal income tax and fund the government with tariffs.

The federal budget was indeed paid for prior to the 16th amendment.

But that was before we had infrastructure like dams, interstate highways, subways, and so forth. That was before we stopped factories from polluting our drinking water to the point it was catching on fire every year. That was before we began regulating companies from dumping toxic chemical into our water table and polluting our breathing air.

And that was long before we built a military which is 40 percent of total global defense spending.

40 percent. Of all this planet's countries combined. That's what it takes to keep our sea and air lanes open for trade.

Living off tariffs was before we decided to help those living in miserable squalor after we realized private charities just weren't doing the job.

It is naive beyond comprehension to think we could survive today without the income tax and revert to just tariffs.

You have to realize President Trump is a modern day P.T. Barnum. Or a Huey Long, if you will. He's a populist who says silly things to titillate the ignorant masses.
 
I agree with you on myth one. In regards to myths two is Trump promoting tariffs to take the place of income taxes? Because I haven’t heard that.
 
I agree with you on myth one. In regards to myths two is Trump promoting tariffs to take the place of income taxes? Because I haven’t heard that.
Yes, he's been floating the idea, and some posters on this forum have already convinced themselves it can be done.



In the list of untested policy ideas from former President Donald Trump, scrapping the federal income tax and replacing it with revenues from sky-high tariffs on imports is one of the most harmful. Trump floated this fiscal swap when he met with Congressional Republicans last week, but it’s a deeply problematic idea for several reasons.
 
As an old-school conservative, I have always preferred consumption taxes over taxes on production.

Tariffs are a tax on consumption. Income taxes are a tax on production.

So it may appear counterintuitive for me to oppose Trump's plan. However, Trump's plan is just not feasible.


I prefer the Fair Tax, which is also a tax on consumption and much more doable.
 
Here are the problems with the tariff system.

Under our current system, despite the trillions and trillions of dollars of revenue from income taxes, we are still running trillion dollar deficits every year, give or take.

To take in the same revenues from tariffs, they would have to be impossibly high and would bring our economy to a crashing halt.

They would have to be even more impossibly higher since Trump has a pay-your-way-to-exemptions plan which goes directly to his pocket.
 
As an old-school conservative, I have always preferred consumption taxes over taxes on production.

Tariffs are a tax on consumption. Income taxes are a tax on production.

So it may appear counterintuitive for me to oppose Trump's plan. However, Trump's plan is just not feasible.


I prefer the Fair Tax, which is also a tax on consumption and much more doable.
I prefer a VAT tax over an Income tax myself. Anyway I don’t think tariffs can take the place of Income taxes in this economy.
 
We built this nation on tariffs.

Progressives, aka American Soviets, wanted more money for their social programs and pushed and pushed for the income tax.

They finally got the income tax when the 16th Amendment was ratified, lying that only the top 1% would ever pay the income tax.
 
As an old-school conservative, I have always preferred consumption taxes over taxes on production.

Tariffs are a tax on consumption. Income taxes are a tax on production.

So it may appear counterintuitive for me to oppose Trump's plan. However, Trump's plan is just not feasible.


I prefer the Fair Tax, which is also a tax on consumption and much more doable.
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cult ?? did you vote for Biden in 2020 ? did you vote for him in the primaries in 2024 ?
I voted for no one in 2024. I still have my ballot,

My vote does not come cheap.

I voted for the Libertarian candidate in 2020. I've already forgotten her name.

You know our country is seriously fucked up when Libertarians are the sanest option.
 
I voted for no one in 2024. I still have my ballot,

My vote does not come cheap.

I voted for the Libertarian candidate in 2020. I've already forgotten her name.

You know our country is seriously fucked up when Libertarians are the sanest option.
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As an old-school conservative, I have always preferred consumption taxes over taxes on production.

Tariffs are a tax on consumption. Income taxes are a tax on production.

So it may appear counterintuitive for me to oppose Trump's plan. However, Trump's plan is just not feasible.


I prefer the Fair Tax, which is also a tax on consumption and much more doable.

I agree with the fair tax...or, I've contemplated a hybrid tax of a flat tax and a consumption tax


Set a rate, whatever that is, 5%, 8%...whatever. this will be the flat rate that everyone pays regardless. Then have a consumption tax on top of that. Something of that sort.
 
I agree with the fair tax...or, I've contemplated a hybrid tax of a flat tax and a consumption tax


Set a rate, whatever that is, 5%, 8%...whatever. this will be the flat rate that everyone pays regardless. Then have a consumption tax on top of that. Something of that sort.
The Fair Tax is akin to a sales tax. It is not an income tax. I don't think a VAT, if that is what you are talking about, makes any sense on top of the Fair Tax.

The Fair Tax is different from a sales tax in that it has a prebate to mitigate the regressive nature of a sales tax.

The one hangup of the Fair Tax is what to do in the immediate aftermath of enactment about people's savings which were already income taxed.
 
President Trump has propounded two false beliefs about tariffs which his followers have been parroting.


Myth 1: Tariffs are paid by the exporting country.

Trump claims China pays for the tariffs he imposes on imports from China. This is a stunning claim considering he has his line of clothing made there, and his daughter has fashion goods made there.

You can bet he knows better than what he claims.

Elon Musk has his Teslas made in China.

So much for America First.

I am surprised Musk has not publicly corrected Trump on this huge misconception. But then again, Musk is expecting Trump to exempt Teslas from tariffs. That's why he spent so much money to get Trump elected.

Tariffs are paid by the importers. US companies pay them. And they pass those tariff costs on to their customers.

Trump's tariffs are a tax on the American consumer, not China.

Here's the really evil thing about Trump's tariffs: He knows you are paying for them. He is lying when he says China pays them.

And we know this how?

We know this because Trump exempted his large donors from tariffs. Now why would he do that if he thought China was paying them and not those US companies?

During this latest campaign, Apple CEO Tim Cook donated $1 million to Trump.


And that is because Trump exempted Apple's products during his last tariff war, and Cook wants him to continue to provide that exemption.






We live in an oligarchy, and you are paying for their privileges.



Myth 2: We can eliminate the personal income tax and fund the government with tariffs.

The federal budget was indeed paid for prior to the 16th amendment.

But that was before we had infrastructure like dams, interstate highways, subways, and so forth. That was before we stopped factories from polluting our drinking water to the point it was catching on fire every year. That was before we began regulating companies from dumping toxic chemical into our water table and polluting our breathing air.

And that was long before we built a military which is 40 percent of total global defense spending.

40 percent. Of all this planet's countries combined. That's what it takes to keep our sea and air lanes open for trade.

Living off tariffs was before we decided to help those living in miserable squalor after we realized private charities just weren't doing the job.

It is naive beyond comprehension to think we could survive today without the income tax and revert to just tariffs.

You have to realize President Trump is a modern day P.T. Barnum. Or a Huey Long, if you will. He's a populist who says silly things to titillate the ignorant masses.
If only we had Huey Long. Possibly our best politician of all time.
 
The Fair Tax is akin to a sales tax. It is not an income tax. I don't think a VAT, if that is what you are talking about, makes any sense on top of the Fair Tax.

The Fair Tax is different from a sales tax in that it has a prebate to mitigate the regressive nature of a sales tax.

The one hangup of the Fair Tax is what to do in the immediate aftermath of enactment about people's savings which were already income taxed.

My idea is that, the flat tax would be a baseline that everyone pays, and a baseline revenue stream for the government, then, on top of that, the amount of tax one pays depends on how much they consume.

Also, I'd make certain things tax exempt, things that are necessary to life like food, water, utilities...though I'm not sure how that would work. I just think it's silly to say "you need food and water to survive...and we're going to tax it!"

Might as well say they are going to tax you for the air you breathe.
 
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