Taiwan.....an enigma

[justoffal]

Founded by the Chinese but now separatist the Taiwanese face a true paradox of future identity.
At one time I thought it was inevitable that Taiwan would simply be reabsorbed into the Chinese mainland. Now I'm not so sure. The flavor of freedom has broken loose on the Taiwanese people and they have the example of Hong Kong to see what the CCP thinks of free choice.

Now being bolstered by Western military aid Taiwan will be a tough nut to crack even for an up-and-coming superpower like China.

Aside from the fact that the Chinese population is roughly 60 times greater than the Taiwanese population.... China has made a miraculous leap forward in military might over the past decade.
Even the United States would have to think twice about engaging them directly. However Taiwan is an island.... And at this point well defended. Would China be willing to pay the heavy price it would most certainly cost to take it by force?

This isn't too different from when the United States declared its independence from England. The one big difference being that this Goliath is a whole hell of a lot bigger than the English Goliath was to the colonials....

If China decided to use it's rather impressive naval military might to blockade Taiwan completely...
I am at a loss to say how exactly anyone could do anything about it.

Enter stage left Japan and the United States and maybe Australia and the Philippines and you might have a strong argument for breaking such a blockade. Would that start world war 3?

I don't know.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Founded by the Chinese but now separatist the Taiwanese face a true paradox of future identity.
At one time I thought it was inevitable that Taiwan would simply be reabsorbed into the Chinese mainland. Now I'm not so sure. The flavor of freedom has broken loose on the Taiwanese people and they have the example of Hong Kong to see what the CCP thinks of free choice.

Now being bolstered by Western military aid Taiwan will be a tough nut to crack even for an up-and-coming superpower like China.

Aside from the fact that the Chinese population is roughly 60 times greater than the Taiwanese population.... China has made a miraculous leap forward in military might over the past decade.
Even the United States would have to think twice about engaging them directly. However Taiwan is an island.... And at this point well defended. Would China be willing to pay the heavy price it would most certainly cost to take it by force?

This isn't too different from when the United States declared its independence from England. The one big difference being that this Goliath is a whole hell of a lot bigger than the English Goliath was to the colonials....

If China decided to use it's rather impressive naval military might to blockade Taiwan completely...
I am at a loss to say how exactly anyone could do anything about it.

Enter stage left Japan and the United States and maybe Australia and the Philippines and you might have a strong argument for breaking such a blockade. Would that start world war 3?

I don't know.

That is hilarious!

You might as well say their troops will ride into battle on unicorns farting rainbows because they sure as heck cannot swim!

 

[shockedcanadian]

Founded by the Chinese but now separatist the Taiwanese face a true paradox of future identity.
At one time I thought it was inevitable that Taiwan would simply be reabsorbed into the Chinese mainland. Now I'm not so sure. The flavor of freedom has broken loose on the Taiwanese people and they have the example of Hong Kong to see what the CCP thinks of free choice.

Now being bolstered by Western military aid Taiwan will be a tough nut to crack even for an up-and-coming superpower like China.

Aside from the fact that the Chinese population is roughly 60 times greater than the Taiwanese population.... China has made a miraculous leap forward in military might over the past decade.
Even the United States would have to think twice about engaging them directly. However Taiwan is an island.... And at this point well defended. Would China be willing to pay the heavy price it would most certainly cost to take it by force?

This isn't too different from when the United States declared its independence from England. The one big difference being that this Goliath is a whole hell of a lot bigger than the English Goliath was to the colonials....

If China decided to use it's rather impressive naval military might to blockade Taiwan completely...
I am at a loss to say how exactly anyone could do anything about it.

Enter stage left Japan and the United States and maybe Australia and the Philippines and you might have a strong argument for breaking such a blockade. Would that start world war 3?

I don't know.

If the West loses Taiwan it would create the potential of a global depression unmatched in history.

This needs to be Americas #1 focus from a military standpoint. Prevent the Communists from taking a free nation and the pipeline of advanced chips. Worse, it would signal to the world that thanks to the greed of Western corporations and their dumb leadership, China has surpassed America as the sole super power.

Thus, it must not be allowed. At all costs. I just hope the West has the best intelligence agents on board. They must be patriotic and of sharp mind. Not like the manner in which some countries hire their "best"...

Ultimately, unless the West turns their back on the Communist economy of China as all strong presidents in the past have (prior to Clinton), the West will lose to China in due time.

They are smarter than the West and exploit the greed and freedom of our institutions. Don't blame the MSS, blame our leaders and intelligence agencies.

 

[TimFitz]

If the West loses Taiwan it would create the potential of a global depression unmatched in history.

This needs to be Americas #1 focus from a military standpoint. Prevent the Communists from taking a free nation and the pipeline of advanced chips. Worse, it would signal to the world that thanks to the greed of Western corporations and their dumb leadership, China has surpassed America as the sole super power.

Thus, it must not be allowed. At all costs. I just hope the West has the best intelligence agents on board. They must be patriotic and of sharp mind. Not like the manner in which some countries hire their "best"...

Ultimately, unless the West turns their back on the Communist economy of China as all strong presidents in the past have (prior to Clinton), the West will lose to China in due time.

They are smarter than the West and exploit the greed and freedom of our institutions. Don't blame the MSS, blame our leaders and intelligence agencies.

Trump’s appeasement of Putin only increases the odds.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

This isn't too different from when the United States declared its independence from England

Actually, it's way different.
Taiwan is more like Napoleon and Corsica than a rebel colony.
An exile island for a long-defeated, long-dead generalissimo.
Even though Chiang was a corrupt prick, he was nothing compared to that absolute demon, Mao.

 

[progressive hunter]

Founded by the Chinese but now separatist the Taiwanese face a true paradox of future identity.
At one time I thought it was inevitable that Taiwan would simply be reabsorbed into the Chinese mainland. Now I'm not so sure. The flavor of freedom has broken loose on the Taiwanese people and they have the example of Hong Kong to see what the CCP thinks of free choice.

Now being bolstered by Western military aid Taiwan will be a tough nut to crack even for an up-and-coming superpower like China.

Aside from the fact that the Chinese population is roughly 60 times greater than the Taiwanese population.... China has made a miraculous leap forward in military might over the past decade.
Even the United States would have to think twice about engaging them directly. However Taiwan is an island.... And at this point well defended. Would China be willing to pay the heavy price it would most certainly cost to take it by force?

This isn't too different from when the United States declared its independence from England. The one big difference being that this Goliath is a whole hell of a lot bigger than the English Goliath was to the colonials....

If China decided to use it's rather impressive naval military might to blockade Taiwan completely...
I am at a loss to say how exactly anyone could do anything about it.

Enter stage left Japan and the United States and maybe Australia and the Philippines and you might have a strong argument for breaking such a blockade. Would that start world war 3?

I don't know.

you obviously dont understand whats going on there,,

taiwan is china and not separatists,,

its just when the communist party took over the country taiwan was able to keep their independence mostly because they are an island,, but they are china,,


as for intervention,,

communism needs to be eradicated down to its roots,,

 

[drudge X]

If China invades Taiwan, US better start thinking about toppling the N. Korean regime and level those phony islands. Nevertheless Takaichi is correct. If US and Japan idle, it will only embolden China further. Some may say it's only Taiwan but China is probably eyeing TSMC's trade secrets. Plus Taiwan is a buffer zone for Japan, especially Okinawa.

 

[drudge X]

you obviously dont understand whats going on there,,

taiwan is china and not separatists,,

its just when the communist party took over the country taiwan was able to keep their independence mostly because they are an island,, but they are china,,


as for intervention,,

communism needs to be eradicated down to its roots,,

China has never governed Taiwan.

 

[drudge X]

Trump’s appeasement of Putin only increases the odds.

Yes by selling Taiwan $10 billion worth of military hardwares.

Your TDS is not benign. Seek help.

 

[fncceo]

Founded by the Chinese but now separatist the Taiwanese

Taiwanese and Chinese are not the same. The original Taiwanese people are Pacific Islander peoples and the majority of the population of the Republic of China in the island known as Taiwan or Formosa are Han Chinese who settled there as a result of The Chinese Civil War.

The current government of ROC, since 1949, was created by the losing side in The Chinese Civil War, The Kuomintang (KMT) created their own state while the Communists created The People’s Republic of China on the Chinese mainland.

Both sides still consider the other, at least in principle, to be separatist.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If China invades Taiwan, US better start thinking about toppling the N. Korean regime and level those phony islands. Nevertheless Takaichi is correct. If US and Japan idle, it will only embolden China further. Some may say it's only Taiwan but China is probably eyeing TSMC's trade secrets. Plus Taiwan is a buffer zone for Japan, especially Okinawa.

What islands? The ones near the Philippines? What does that have to do with Taiwan?

Somethings missing in that sentence.

Have you looked at a map recently? Japan is nowhere near Taiwan. Okinawa has a huge US military presence, or did you forget?

 

[Unkotare]

Japanese culture is very popular in Taiwan.

 

[fncceo]

Japanese culture is very popular in Taiwan.

They’ve were occupying the island and schtupping the locals fairly consistently for 50 years - between 1895 and 1945.

A great deal of the pre-ROC population are genetically Japanese.

 

[progressive hunter]

China has never governed Taiwan.

I think you mean the CCP has never governed taiwan,,

 

[TimFitz]

Yes by selling Taiwan $10 billion worth of military hardwares.

Your TDS is not benign. Seek help.

Trump’s consistant refusal to back up Ukraine and support the western alliance makes us look weak before the Chinese.

If Putin can call the tune for Trump, the Chinese know he’ll be easy to push around.

 

[scruffy]

China has never governed Taiwan.

Yes it has, between 1693 and 1895, under the Qing dynasty.

The entire island was subsequently ceded to the Japanese, which lasted until 1945.

Taiwan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[fncceo]

China has never governed Taiwan.

In fact, the Qing Dynasty of China incorporated the territory of Taiwan between 1684 until it lost it to The Japanese in 1895.

 

[justoffal]

That is hilarious!

You might as well say their troops will ride into battle on unicorns farting rainbows because they sure as heck cannot swim!

Let's hope you're right.... Unfortunately I don't think you've been keeping up with China's naval progress.

 

[justoffal]

Yes by selling Taiwan $10 billion worth of military hardwares.

Your TDS is not benign. Seek help.

Right?

 

[justoffal]

If the West loses Taiwan it would create the potential of a global depression unmatched in history.

This needs to be Americas #1 focus from a military standpoint. Prevent the Communists from taking a free nation and the pipeline of advanced chips. Worse, it would signal to the world that thanks to the greed of Western corporations and their dumb leadership, China has surpassed America as the sole super power.

Thus, it must not be allowed. At all costs. I just hope the West has the best intelligence agents on board. They must be patriotic and of sharp mind. Not like the manner in which some countries hire their "best"...

Ultimately, unless the West turns their back on the Communist economy of China as all strong presidents in the past have (prior to Clinton), the West will lose to China in due time.

They are smarter than the West and exploit the greed and freedom of our institutions. Don't blame the MSS, blame our leaders and intelligence agencies.

I think China may have surpassed America already..... They just don't do a lot of bragging because they're too smart to do that.