Syrian refugees would be vetted first. Weren't the 9/11 hijackers vetted to?

[Delta4Embassy]

"Fourteen of 15 operatives and all of the pilots acquired one or multiple forms of U.S. state-issued identification.
...
Immigration Violations Committed by the Hijackers in the United States

Once a non-U.S. citizen is admitted to the United States, he or she remains subject to U.S. immigration laws and may be deported if any are violated. The hijackers violated many laws while gaining entry to, or remaining in, the United States. Here are the violations pertaining to Suqami:

* Every hijacker submitted a visa application falsely stating that he was not seeking to enter the United States to engage in terrorism. This was a felony, punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1546 by 25 years in prison and under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 by 5 years in prison, and was a violation of immigration law rendering each one inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* The hijackers, when they presented themselves at U.S. ports of entry, were terrorists trained in Afghan camps who had prepared for and planned terrorist activity to further the aims of a terrorist organization – al Qaeda – making every hijacker inadmissible to enter the United States under 8 U.S.C.§ 1182(a)(3)(b).

* At least two (Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari) and possibly as many as seven of the hijackers (Suqami, Omari, Mohand al Shehri, Hamza and Saeed al Ghamdi, Ahmed al Nami, and Ahmad al Haznawi) presented to State Department consular officers passports manipulated in a fraudulent manner, a felony punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1543 by 25 years in prison and a violation of immigration law rendering them inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* At least two hijackers (Suqami and Omari) and as many as 11 of the hijackers (Suqami; Omari; Waleed, Wail, and Mohand al Shehri; Hani Hanjour; Majed Moqed; Nawaf al Hazmi; Haznawi; and Hamza and Ahmed al Ghamdi) presented to INS inspectors at ports of entry passports manipulated in a fraudulent manner, a felony punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1543 by 25 years in prison and a violation of immigration law rendering them inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* Nawaf al Hazmi and Suqami overstayed the terms of their admission, a violation of immigration laws rendering them both deportable under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(1)(B)."
The Complete Immigration Story of 9/11 Hijacker Satam al Suqami


In short, the 9/11 hijackers were vetted, admitted, broke numerous laws that should have resulted in their deportation if not arrest and managed to murder nearly 3,000 people on 9/11.

Vetting doesn't do shit.

 

[Silhouette]

Syrian refugees would be vetted first. Weren't the 9/11 hijackers vetted to?

Yes, the Bush family knew the Bin Laden's well. Dubya even shared a business venture with Osama's brother Salem Bin Laden called "Arbusto Oil" "Arbusto" = Bush in spanish. In fact, Dubya got the remaining Bin Laden family members on a plane and out of the country safely just hours after the attack on the Twin Towers.

Grandfather Prescott Bush was almost tried for treason but slipped off the hook as they always do, for trading with the Nazis during WWII; which was forbidden by an Act of Congress I believe. And of course George Sr. was in the CIA for years during Vietnam.

Ah...the Bush family. They're a real hoot that bunch! Jeb for President! (what could go wrong?)

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Apprently our excellent 'vetting' involves answering 'no' to

"Every hijacker submitted a visa application falsely stating that he was not seeking to enter the United States to engage in terrorism."

Well, that is reassuring whew!

 

[Silhouette]

Apprently our excellent 'vetting' involves answering 'no' to

"Every hijacker submitted a visa application falsely stating that he was not seeking to enter the United States to engage in terrorism."

Well, that is reassuring whew!

I was watching some footage last night on a streaming line of Syrian refugees. They were looking at the camera, some of the young men. One of them smiled a big toothy grin and waved hello at the camera and when he turned his head away, before the camara caught the last glimpse of him, his face instantly turned to a hateful and venomous scowl, from smiling to that in a nanosecond the instant he thought the cameras were off of his face.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Syrian refugees would be vetted first. Weren't the 9/11 hijackers vetted to?

Yes, the Bush family knew the Bin Laden's well. Dubya even shared a business venture with Osama's brother Salem Bin Laden called "Arbusto Oil" "Arbusto" = Bush in spanish. In fact, Dubya got the remaining Bin Laden family members on a plane and out of the country safely just hours after the attack on the Twin Towers.

Grandfather Prescott Bush was almost tried for treason but slipped off the hook as they always do, for trading with the Nazis during WWII; which was forbidden by an Act of Congress I believe. And of course George Sr. was in the CIA for years during Vietnam.

Ah...the Bush family. They're a real hoot that bunch! Jeb for President! (what could go wrong?)

Idiot

 

[aris2chat]

Severe came on student visas, not as refugees. Saudi was not considered a hub of terrorism back then.
Refugees and immigrants in Europe were not seen as potential radicals or insurgents to terrorist groups throughout the middle east.

 

[Coyote]

"Fourteen of 15 operatives and all of the pilots acquired one or multiple forms of U.S. state-issued identification.
...
Immigration Violations Committed by the Hijackers in the United States

Once a non-U.S. citizen is admitted to the United States, he or she remains subject to U.S. immigration laws and may be deported if any are violated. The hijackers violated many laws while gaining entry to, or remaining in, the United States. Here are the violations pertaining to Suqami:

* Every hijacker submitted a visa application falsely stating that he was not seeking to enter the United States to engage in terrorism. This was a felony, punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1546 by 25 years in prison and under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 by 5 years in prison, and was a violation of immigration law rendering each one inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* The hijackers, when they presented themselves at U.S. ports of entry, were terrorists trained in Afghan camps who had prepared for and planned terrorist activity to further the aims of a terrorist organization – al Qaeda – making every hijacker inadmissible to enter the United States under 8 U.S.C.§ 1182(a)(3)(b).

* At least two (Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari) and possibly as many as seven of the hijackers (Suqami, Omari, Mohand al Shehri, Hamza and Saeed al Ghamdi, Ahmed al Nami, and Ahmad al Haznawi) presented to State Department consular officers passports manipulated in a fraudulent manner, a felony punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1543 by 25 years in prison and a violation of immigration law rendering them inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* At least two hijackers (Suqami and Omari) and as many as 11 of the hijackers (Suqami; Omari; Waleed, Wail, and Mohand al Shehri; Hani Hanjour; Majed Moqed; Nawaf al Hazmi; Haznawi; and Hamza and Ahmed al Ghamdi) presented to INS inspectors at ports of entry passports manipulated in a fraudulent manner, a felony punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1543 by 25 years in prison and a violation of immigration law rendering them inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* Nawaf al Hazmi and Suqami overstayed the terms of their admission, a violation of immigration laws rendering them both deportable under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(1)(B)."
The Complete Immigration Story of 9/11 Hijacker Satam al Suqami


In short, the 9/11 hijackers were vetted, admitted, broke numerous laws that should have resulted in their deportation if not arrest and managed to murder nearly 3,000 people on 9/11.

Vetting doesn't do shit.

None of them were refugees - the process for refugees is different than for immigrants.

 

[Coyote]

Severe came on student visas, not as refugees. Saudi was not considered a hub of terrorism back then.
Refugees and immigrants in Europe were not seen as potential radicals or insurgents to terrorist groups throughout the middle east.

Exactly, and since that time, the process for obtaining visas has become more stringent so it's not even a good analogy to compare pre 9/11 to today.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"Fourteen of 15 operatives and all of the pilots acquired one or multiple forms of U.S. state-issued identification.
...
Immigration Violations Committed by the Hijackers in the United States

Once a non-U.S. citizen is admitted to the United States, he or she remains subject to U.S. immigration laws and may be deported if any are violated. The hijackers violated many laws while gaining entry to, or remaining in, the United States. Here are the violations pertaining to Suqami:

* Every hijacker submitted a visa application falsely stating that he was not seeking to enter the United States to engage in terrorism. This was a felony, punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1546 by 25 years in prison and under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 by 5 years in prison, and was a violation of immigration law rendering each one inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* The hijackers, when they presented themselves at U.S. ports of entry, were terrorists trained in Afghan camps who had prepared for and planned terrorist activity to further the aims of a terrorist organization – al Qaeda – making every hijacker inadmissible to enter the United States under 8 U.S.C.§ 1182(a)(3)(b).

* At least two (Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari) and possibly as many as seven of the hijackers (Suqami, Omari, Mohand al Shehri, Hamza and Saeed al Ghamdi, Ahmed al Nami, and Ahmad al Haznawi) presented to State Department consular officers passports manipulated in a fraudulent manner, a felony punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1543 by 25 years in prison and a violation of immigration law rendering them inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* At least two hijackers (Suqami and Omari) and as many as 11 of the hijackers (Suqami; Omari; Waleed, Wail, and Mohand al Shehri; Hani Hanjour; Majed Moqed; Nawaf al Hazmi; Haznawi; and Hamza and Ahmed al Ghamdi) presented to INS inspectors at ports of entry passports manipulated in a fraudulent manner, a felony punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1543 by 25 years in prison and a violation of immigration law rendering them inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(c).

* Nawaf al Hazmi and Suqami overstayed the terms of their admission, a violation of immigration laws rendering them both deportable under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(1)(B)."
The Complete Immigration Story of 9/11 Hijacker Satam al Suqami


In short, the 9/11 hijackers were vetted, admitted, broke numerous laws that should have resulted in their deportation if not arrest and managed to murder nearly 3,000 people on 9/11.

Vetting doesn't do shit.

None of them were refugees - the process for refugees is different than for immigrants.

Well unless it includes mind-reading it's all just interviews and paperwork yes? And Lord knows, it's not like you can lie on a piece of paper or to an overworked bureucrat.