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Yes. I have that same sickening feeling. I take no pleasure in the prospect. But we may very well be backed into that old, familiar corner by Radical Islam in the coming years.remember "do you belong to any group that supports the violent overthrow of the USA GOVENMENT"-----it was a valid
question----back then------albeit now very much discredited------
but I have a feeling it will be REVIVED
Oh that's right, it was white Christians working for Jewish billionaires who planted explosives in the WTC's, and who fired the missile into the Pentagon.We were not attacked by Muslims on 9/11.Of course, that picture changes dramatically when one includes just one more day ... 9/11.
Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.
Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.
Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?
If he were a Christian, would you be creating a thread about it?Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.
Islam, where brain cells go to die.
Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,
(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.
The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.
Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.
Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.
On the other hand, if he were a Christian doing it in the name of Christ, then I would be REALLY fucking shocked.
there are plenty of terrorists that are not Muslims. Some are American Christians.If he were a Christian, would you be creating a thread about it?Who is shocked that the terrorist in today's terror attack in Canada turned out to be a Muslim convert? I was totally shocked.
Islam, where brain cells go to die.
Gunman killed in Parliament attack named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian convert to Islam born in 1982,
(CNN) -- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau has been identified by Canadian officials to their American counterparts as the suspected gunman in Wednesday's shooting in Ottawa, multiple U.S. officials told CNN.
The gunman was killed after two shooting incidents -- one at the Canada War Memorial, which is near the Parliament building, and another round of shooting inside Parliament -- in Ottawa, where this kind of violence is extremely rare.
Bibeau, who was born in 1982, was a convert to Islam and had a history of drug use before he converted, two sources said.
Canadian broadcaster CBC reported that Bibeau has a record of drug arrests going back 10 years.
Whats you point? Almost all terrorists are Muslim.
Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.
Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.
Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?
You wouldn't know the difference...just saying
If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.
Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.
Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.
Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?
You wouldn't know the difference...just saying
If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.
If you base it entirely on scriptures------you are stupid. If you allude to the OT------unless you have some knowledge of semitic languages and the symbolism and poetic allusions of the time------you have no idea just what you are reading--.----in fact, same is true of the NT------a bit of understanding of the "GREEK" pov at that time helps----and of the Roman POV. Keep in mind that LUKE was a greek
who never met Jesus----as was Paul------John probably did not exist----just a pen name for a whole bunch of people
I read the GITA ------<<< do I understand Hinduism over the past 4000 years?
That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky....Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.
That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.
Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.
We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.
But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.
Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.
Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.
Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?
You wouldn't know the difference...just saying
If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.
That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky....Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.
That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.
Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.
We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.
But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.
If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer.
There is a lot of truth in Martin Niemöller's poem.
You wouldn't know the difference...just saying
If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.
Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.
Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.
Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?
You wouldn't know the difference...just saying
If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.
Islam defined itself yesterday when the murderer of a five month old baby girl was called a MUSLIM HERO----by muslim leaders for running his car into the baby's stroller.----
the very same day-----the murderer is already in JANNAH---
with his 72 whories
If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...
How many more dozens of times do such things need to happen before you deign to recognize the pattern (Muslim-centric) for what it it?"Surprise! It's a Muslim!"
Surprise! This thread fails as a hasty generalization fallacy!
Others - equally committed to religious egalitarianism, but stopping short of cultural self-suicide - believe that the pattern is already sufficiently established, and have no need to wait further, to 'declare' the pattern for what it is.
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It's the same motis operandi in every Western nation.
If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...
LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!
Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.
If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...
LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!
Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.
There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".
Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.
Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.
Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?
You wouldn't know the difference...just saying
If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.
Islam defined itself yesterday when the murderer of a five month old baby girl was called a MUSLIM HERO----by muslim leaders for running his car into the baby's stroller.----
the very same day-----the murderer is already in JANNAH---
with his 72 whories
Let's see here -- did Jesus ever kill anybody? Mohammad murdered Abu Afak over a satirical poem. Did Jesus lead armies? Mohammad was a warlord who rampaged against all in his path. Did Jesus order his followers to kill? Mohammad gave instructions for decapitating non believers.
Just because you can find dishonest propaganda, that does not change the facts.
Have you ever considered dealing in fact and truth?
You wouldn't know the difference...just saying
If you base it on scripture, it wasn't all love and roses with Jesus...and let's not even get into the OT. Those were violent times all around. Charletons like yourself prefer to overlook historical context...or pretend that some religions are exempt from examination. I suggest you read an actual biography of Mohammed from a reputable historian. You might realize that it was far more complex than what your anti-Muslim Playbook propaganda claims.
If you base it entirely on scriptures------you are stupid. If you allude to the OT------unless you have some knowledge of semitic languages and the symbolism and poetic allusions of the time------you have no idea just what you are reading--.----in fact, same is true of the NT------a bit of understanding of the "GREEK" pov at that time helps----and of the Roman POV. Keep in mind that LUKE was a greek
who never met Jesus----as was Paul------John probably did not exist----just a pen name for a whole bunch of people
I read the GITA ------<<< do I understand Hinduism over the past 4000 years?
I agree - the same applies to the Quran. It helps to have a understanding of the history and cultures in which it was written and there have been some well-written books on the Bible and Quran in historical context.
