The Canadian active shooter event that left 22 dead...a retrospective on Canadian gun control laws...

[2aguy]

Just saw this as I looked at the Canadian bank robbery that left 6 Canadian police officers wounded....

The gunman who would kill 22 people across Nova Scotia in a mass shooting had controlled and abused women around him for years, including his longtime partner and others who were in vulnerable situations.

The public inquiry into the mass shooting is examining what happened on April 18-19, 2020, when Gabriel Wortman destroyed several homes and killed neighbours and strangers across the province — including a pregnant woman — while driving a mock police car.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/n-s-mass-shooter-controlled-exploited-women-1.6502301

Hmmmmm.......22 killed.....seems to me that is the exact same number as were murdered in Uvalde, Texas........this gunman was also known to friends and family as a nut......

A little more on Canadian gun control...

It’s the daily tally of individual violent crimes involving firearms, especially handguns. And the Liberals have done little to stem the growing number of these less-newsworthy crimes.

A Statistics Canada report released last week says that, since 2009, the per capita rate of firearms being pointed at someone in the commission of a crime has nearly tripled, and the rate at which guns are fired with intent to kill or wound is up fivefold.

In rural areas, there were notable spikes in firearms-related crimes in 2019 and 2020, mostly involving long guns. But it’s in cities and suburbs where crime is most likely to involve a firearm – usually an easy-to-conceal handgun. Statscan says 63 per cent of firearm-related violent crimes in urban areas involved handguns in 2020.

These trends are starkly reflected in Canada’s largest city, whose rate of gun crime is about average for the country (and lower than Winnipeg, Regina, Saskatoon and Calgary). The Toronto Police Service reported this month that 286 people have been killed in shootings, and 1,185 people have been injured, since 2015.

Globe editorial: Canada has a real gun violence problem, but it’s (mostly) not the one the Liberals want to talk about

The biggest and most persistent gun-violence problem in Canada is not mass shootings – it’s the daily tally of individual violent crimes involving firearms, especially handguns

www.theglobeandmail.com

Which Canadian gun control law kept the Nova Scotia shooter from walking into a school, church, theater, or mall? He killed 22 people, but had he entered a school, what would have stopped him?

 

[Donald H]

It's regrettable that guns are allowed on the streets but when they are allowed, the gun violence has to be accepted as the price we must pay.

We can only take solace in the statistical evidence compared to America and third world trouble spots.

Canada can at least move expeditiously to eliminate assault style rifles from our streets. It's a partial solution but at least it's a move in the right direction!

 

[Silent Warrior]

It's regrettable that guns are allowed on the streets but when they are allowed, the gun violence has to be accepted as the price we must pay.

Unfortunately, statistics prove you wrong, but keep on keeping on.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

It's regrettable that guns are allowed on the streets but when they are allowed, the gun violence has to be accepted as the price we must pay.

We can only take solace in the statistical evidence compared to America and third world trouble spots.

Canada can at least move expeditiously to eliminate assault style rifles from our streets. It's a partial solution but at least it's a move in the right direction!

Yes, Americans and their nation are under heavy attack from marxists and morons like yourself.
since Conservatives Americans refuse to fight for their country, their rights or their children, you and yours have a clear path to victory..

I think conservatives are the fruit of heaven, but they are also the most cowardly bunch of losers ever.

Easy now...I side with Conservatives, I vote with Conservatives BUT they are the most nutless, spinless, big mouth pieces of shit that ever were. Come on man...they didn’t have the balls to keep heterosexual white Christians cool in a nation founded, built, run and funded by heterosexual white Christians. The Left has owned their sackless asses for decades....Sad but true.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It's regrettable that guns are allowed on the streets but when they are allowed, the gun violence has to be accepted as the price we must pay.

We can only take solace in the statistical evidence compared to America and third world trouble spots.

Canada can at least move expeditiously to eliminate assault style rifles from our streets. It's a partial solution but at least it's a move in the right direction!

You’ve already banned magazines that hold more that five rounds. That makes an AR15 or AK47 no more deadly than a Browning BAR civilian hunting rifle. Or a communist block SKS carbine.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

It's regrettable that guns are allowed on the streets but when they are allowed, the gun violence has to be accepted as the price we must pay.

TRANSLATION: UH-OH gun control failed again

We can only take solace in the statistical evidence compared to America and third world trouble spots.

TRANSLATION: America and Canada

Canada can at least move expeditiously to eliminate assault style rifles from our streets. It's a partial solution but at least it's a move in the right direction!

TRANSLATION: "Our government has no need to justify its authority, it is free to move with blinding speed authoritarianism."

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yes, Americans and their nation are under heavy attack from marxists and morons like yourself.
since Conservatives Americans refuse to fight for their country, their rights or their children, you and yours have a clear path to victory..

I think conservatives are the fruit of heaven, but they are also the most cowardly bunch of losers ever.

What do you expect "conservatives" or anyone else to do?

You keep saying that shit. Be specific, what do you mean?

 

[Dragonlady]

Just saw this as I looked at the Canadian bank robbery that left 6 Canadian police officers wounded....

The gunman who would kill 22 people across Nova Scotia in a mass shooting had controlled and abused women around him for years, including his longtime partner and others who were in vulnerable situations.

The public inquiry into the mass shooting is examining what happened on April 18-19, 2020, when Gabriel Wortman destroyed several homes and killed neighbours and strangers across the province — including a pregnant woman — while driving a mock police car.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/n-s-mass-shooter-controlled-exploited-women-1.6502301

Hmmmmm.......22 killed.....seems to me that is the exact same number as were murdered in Uvalde, Texas........this gunman was also known to friends and family as a nut......

A little more on Canadian gun control...

It’s the daily tally of individual violent crimes involving firearms, especially handguns. And the Liberals have done little to stem the growing number of these less-newsworthy crimes.

A Statistics Canada report released last week says that, since 2009, the per capita rate of firearms being pointed at someone in the commission of a crime has nearly tripled, and the rate at which guns are fired with intent to kill or wound is up fivefold.

In rural areas, there were notable spikes in firearms-related crimes in 2019 and 2020, mostly involving long guns. But it’s in cities and suburbs where crime is most likely to involve a firearm – usually an easy-to-conceal handgun. Statscan says 63 per cent of firearm-related violent crimes in urban areas involved handguns in 2020.

These trends are starkly reflected in Canada’s largest city, whose rate of gun crime is about average for the country (and lower than Winnipeg, Regina, Saskatoon and Calgary). The Toronto Police Service reported this month that 286 people have been killed in shootings, and 1,185 people have been injured, since 2015.

Globe editorial: Canada has a real gun violence problem, but it’s (mostly) not the one the Liberals want to talk about

The biggest and most persistent gun-violence problem in Canada is not mass shootings – it’s the daily tally of individual violent crimes involving firearms, especially handguns

www.theglobeandmail.com

Which Canadian gun control law kept the Nova Scotia shooter from walking into a school, church, theater, or mall? He killed 22 people, but had he entered a school, what would have stopped him?

Stupid question since there hadn't been a single mass shoot since this happened more than two years ago, until this week's bank robbery and it's been nearly 5 years since the Montreal synagogue mass shooting, the one preceding Nova Scotia.

There have been 466 mass shootings in the USA this year. There has been one in Canada this year. There were none last year.

There have been 2 school shootings in Canada this year, 288 in the USA.

I would say that while 1 is too many, generally speaking our gun laws are working pretty well. Our biggest problem with guns is the easy availability of guns in the USA. Half of all of the illegal guns in Canada come from the USA.

 

[2aguy]

Stupid question since there hadn't been a single mass shoot since this happened more than two years ago, until this week's bank robbery and it's been nearly 5 years since the Montreal synagogue mass shooting, the one preceding Nova Scotia.

There have been 466 mass shootings in the USA this year. There has been one in Canada this year. There were none last year.

There have been 2 school shootings in Canada this year, 288 in the USA.

I would say that while 1 is too many, generally speaking our gun laws are working pretty well. Our biggest problem with guns is the easy availability of guns in the USA. Half of all of the illegal guns in Canada come from the USA.

Wow....you guys are so freaking stupid...there have not been 466 mass public shootings in the U.S........that you repeat that lie shows how stupid you are.....

From Mother Jones....

US mass shootings, 1982–2022: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2021...6
2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

 

[2aguy]

Stupid question since there hadn't been a single mass shoot since this happened more than two years ago, until this week's bank robbery and it's been nearly 5 years since the Montreal synagogue mass shooting, the one preceding Nova Scotia.

There have been 466 mass shootings in the USA this year. There has been one in Canada this year. There were none last year.

There have been 2 school shootings in Canada this year, 288 in the USA.

I would say that while 1 is too many, generally speaking our gun laws are working pretty well. Our biggest problem with guns is the easy availability of guns in the USA. Half of all of the illegal guns in Canada come from the USA.

No, there haven't been 288 school shootings...you dumb ass....just keep drinking that Kool Aide with both hands.....

The problem here is that three very differently defined terms are being used somewhat incautiously and interchangeably: school shooting, mass shooting, and mass school shooting. Uvalde was a mass school shooting; the 26 previous tragedies at schools this year were not.
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Many of the 26 previous shootings involved disputes between students in parking lots, or after athletic events, and all of them resulted in one or zero deaths. These deaths are still incredibly tragic, of course. But they are fundamentally unlike what happened in Uvalde.


Uvalde is a mass school shooting. This is defined in different ways too: an incident in which at least four people (some counters make it three) are shot and/or killed. The Gun Violence Archive counts incidents in which at least four people were shot. Under this definition, many incidents of street crime and domestic violence count as mass shootings, even if no deaths result.

A stricter tally of mass school shootings, conductedby criminologists for Scientific American, only includes incidents where the shootings resulted in at least four deaths. Using their criteria, the number of mass school shootings in the U.S. since the year 1966 is 13. These crimes claimed the lives of 146 people in total.



There Have Been 13 Mass School Shootings Since 1966, Not 27 This Year
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He points out that the reason for hyping such big numbers and making it sound like the loss of life in South Texas is the norm is mixing up three terms that the media conflates: school shooting, mass shooting, and mass school shooting. They do all sound similar, but there are distinctions.

Soave explains:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/chris-queen/2022/05/28/how-the-media-deliberately-inflates-the-numbers-on-school-shootings-n1601741

 

[Dragonlady]

No, there haven't been 288 school shootings...you dumb ass....just keep drinking that Kool Aide with both hands.....

The problem here is that three very differently defined terms are being used somewhat incautiously and interchangeably: school shooting, mass shooting, and mass school shooting. Uvalde was a mass school shooting; the 26 previous tragedies at schools this year were not.
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Many of the 26 previous shootings involved disputes between students in parking lots, or after athletic events, and all of them resulted in one or zero deaths. These deaths are still incredibly tragic, of course. But they are fundamentally unlike what happened in Uvalde.


Uvalde is a mass school shooting. This is defined in different ways too: an incident in which at least four people (some counters make it three) are shot and/or killed. The Gun Violence Archive counts incidents in which at least four people were shot. Under this definition, many incidents of street crime and domestic violence count as mass shootings, even if no deaths result.

A stricter tally of mass school shootings, conductedby criminologists for Scientific American, only includes incidents where the shootings resulted in at least four deaths. Using their criteria, the number of mass school shootings in the U.S. since the year 1966 is 13. These crimes claimed the lives of 146 people in total.



There Have Been 13 Mass School Shootings Since 1966, Not 27 This Year
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He points out that the reason for hyping such big numbers and making it sound like the loss of life in South Texas is the norm is mixing up three terms that the media conflates: school shooting, mass shooting, and mass school shooting. They do all sound similar, but there are distinctions.

Soave explains:

When your pinning your numbers on the "definition of a school shooting", you haven't got a leg to stand on. Most countries don't have enough of these events to parse them by type.

School Shootings by Country 2024

 

[2aguy]

When your pinning your numbers on the "definition of a school shooting", you haven't got a leg to stand on.

School Shootings by Country 2024

No...when you actually define a school shooting properly you get 13 in 56 years........vs. people shooting themselves in the parking lot of the school on a weekend night...you idiot....

 

[Donald H]

When your pinning your numbers on the "definition of a school shooting", you haven't got a leg to stand on. Most countries don't have enough of these events to parse them by type.

School Shootings by Country 2024

He's always going to fall back on his mother jones buffoonery.
It's a waste of your time but I won't be allowing him to waste mine.
They're on track to break about 700 mass shootings in 2022.
We could accept that as equivalent to over 2000 individual shootings in order to find some common ground with him!

 

[2aguy]

He's always going to fall back on his mother jones buffoonery.
It's a waste of your time but I won't be allowing him to waste mine.
They're on track to break about 700 mass shootings in 2022.
We could accept that as equivalent to over 2000 individual shootings in order to find some common ground with him!

Mother Jones actually uses the definition while the other crap you cite use suicides in the school parking lot on the weekend