Supreme Court to rule on gay marriage bans

[danielpalos]

Individual Liberty may be indistinguishable from doing unto others as we would have others do unto us.

Absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. If a person doesn't want to participate in what he thinks as sin then go find a person who will.

No one is being 'forced' to participate in 'sin,' the notion is ignorant idiocy.

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

Not on a for-profit basis as merchants in Commerce and specifically not Religion; there is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws.

Sorry but that is not true. There is not BUTS in the first amendment.

Our First Amendment covers not-for-profits as Persons engaged in Commerce more than it does for-profit Firms engaged as Merchants in Commerce; there is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws on a for-profit basis.

 

[thanatos144]

Absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. If a person doesn't want to participate in what he thinks as sin then go find a person who will.

No one is being 'forced' to participate in 'sin,' the notion is ignorant idiocy.

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

Not on a for-profit basis as merchants in Commerce and specifically not Religion; there is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws.

Sorry but that is not true. There is not BUTS in the first amendment.

Our First Amendment covers not-for-profits as Persons engaged in Commerce more than it does for-profit Firms engaged as Merchants in Commerce; there is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws on a for-profit basis.

Stop lying . It says no such things .

 

[danielpalos]

When did Jesus teach to love sin?

More to the point, when did Jesus demand that His followers commit sin just to make some other sinner happy?

Actually this is more to the pointless.

Only to those who feel government is a higher power then God.

Our supreme law of the land is more supreme than any commandments of any religion; our Founding Fathers spake it thus, in Article the Sixth--only infidels, protestants, and renegades gainsay it.

How sad your life must be.

what a coincidence; Only infidels, protestants, and renegades say that when they have nothing but diversion for their allegedly, "gospel Truth" Cause.

 

[danielpalos]

No one is being 'forced' to participate in 'sin,' the notion is ignorant idiocy.

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

Not on a for-profit basis as merchants in Commerce and specifically not Religion; there is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws.

Sorry but that is not true. There is not BUTS in the first amendment.

Our First Amendment covers not-for-profits as Persons engaged in Commerce more than it does for-profit Firms engaged as Merchants in Commerce; there is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws on a for-profit basis.

Stop lying . It says no such things .

i am not the one who needs to lie due to a lack of a clue and a Cause. of course it says that since you have no actual rebuttal; i win. next.

 

[Seawytch]

Individual Liberty may be indistinguishable from doing unto others as we would have others do unto us.

Absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. If a person doesn't want to participate in what he thinks as sin then go find a person who will.

No one is being 'forced' to participate in 'sin,' the notion is ignorant idiocy.

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

The same thing would have happened if they refused to bake an interracial or Muslim couples cake.

First off a Muslim wouldn't go to a christian baker. Second there is nothing in the bible that says interracial marriage is a sin....So as normal you point is bullshit. Stop trying to act like being a homosexual is like being black! Black people dont have a choice about their skin color!

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.

Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

 

[thanatos144]

Absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. If a person doesn't want to participate in what he thinks as sin then go find a person who will.

No one is being 'forced' to participate in 'sin,' the notion is ignorant idiocy.

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

The same thing would have happened if they refused to bake an interracial or Muslim couples cake.

First off a Muslim wouldn't go to a christian baker. Second there is nothing in the bible that says interracial marriage is a sin....So as normal you point is bullshit. Stop trying to act like being a homosexual is like being black! Black people dont have a choice about their skin color!

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.

Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

Listen idiot you can refuse service based on your faith....Just like a Jew wouldn't cater a Nazi wedding. Yes I am likening the homosexual mafia who is suing people like this to Nazi. Grow the **** up and find another baker like adult would! Sin is NOT a civil right.

 

[danielpalos]

No one is being 'forced' to participate in 'sin,' the notion is ignorant idiocy.

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

The same thing would have happened if they refused to bake an interracial or Muslim couples cake.

First off a Muslim wouldn't go to a christian baker. Second there is nothing in the bible that says interracial marriage is a sin....So as normal you point is bullshit. Stop trying to act like being a homosexual is like being black! Black people dont have a choice about their skin color!

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.

Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

Listen idiot you can refuse service based on your faith....Just like a Jew wouldn't cater a Nazi wedding. Yes I am likening the homosexual mafia who is suing people like this to Nazi. Grow the **** up and find another baker like adult would! Sin is NOT a civil right.

that would mean so much more, if those of that point of view had to take morals tests and eschew drug tests for at-will employment purposes.

There is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws on a for-profit basis by Merchants in Commerce, not Religion.

 

[thanatos144]

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

The same thing would have happened if they refused to bake an interracial or Muslim couples cake.

First off a Muslim wouldn't go to a christian baker. Second there is nothing in the bible that says interracial marriage is a sin....So as normal you point is bullshit. Stop trying to act like being a homosexual is like being black! Black people dont have a choice about their skin color!

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.

Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

Listen idiot you can refuse service based on your faith....Just like a Jew wouldn't cater a Nazi wedding. Yes I am likening the homosexual mafia who is suing people like this to Nazi. Grow the **** up and find another baker like adult would! Sin is NOT a civil right.

that would mean so much more, if those of that point of view had to take morals tests and eschew drug tests for at-will employment purposes.

There is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws on a for-profit basis by Merchants in Commerce, not Religion.

NO one is telling you not to be sinful. There are people who are saying they are NOT going to help you or celebrate that sin with you. GROW UP!

 

[danielpalos]

The same thing would have happened if they refused to bake an interracial or Muslim couples cake.

First off a Muslim wouldn't go to a christian baker. Second there is nothing in the bible that says interracial marriage is a sin....So as normal you point is bullshit. Stop trying to act like being a homosexual is like being black! Black people dont have a choice about their skin color!

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.

Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

Listen idiot you can refuse service based on your faith....Just like a Jew wouldn't cater a Nazi wedding. Yes I am likening the homosexual mafia who is suing people like this to Nazi. Grow the **** up and find another baker like adult would! Sin is NOT a civil right.

that would mean so much more, if those of that point of view had to take morals tests and eschew drug tests for at-will employment purposes.

There is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws on a for-profit basis by Merchants in Commerce, not Religion.

NO one is telling you not to be sinful. There are people who are saying they are NOT going to help you or celebrate that sin with you. GROW UP!

are you going to practice what you preach in public venues or are you just projecting, Person on the Right.

There is no appeal to ignorance of accommodation laws on a for-profit basis by Merchants in Commerce, not Religion.

 

[Silhouette]

Refusing to participate in gay marriage is practicing what you preach.

 

[Silhouette]

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.
Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

The Christians follow the New Testament, not the Old Testament. The Old Testament is a historical reference of what Jesus came to set straight. Jude 1 is in the New Testament. It forbids the promotion of any homosexual culture. Marriage is the core of any culture. Ergo, gay marriage will get you eternity in the slammer. Not just 10 Hail Marys or counting your rosary beads after confession on Saturday. It's one of the major sins a Christian can commit.

Anne Heche tells us that sexual orientation is not an immutable trait. The fact that lesbians have children naturally means that sexual orientation is not an immutable trait. The fact that most gay men have been molested as boys means that homosexuality most certainly is not an innate trait.

Now if you want to discuss how homosexuality is a stubborn mental habituation, then yeah, we can go there. Look at the data (and the sources, Clinical Psychiatrists, the CDC and the Mayo Clinic...you cannot hit any harder than that) and not your lavendar talking-points..

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

Mayo Clinic 2007
One of the most obvious examples of an environmental factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child. This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”or “abused-abusers phenomena.”5,23,24,46......
why the “abused abusers phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor, in which the abused child is trying to gain a new identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning took place http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

 

[Seawytch]

No one is being 'forced' to participate in 'sin,' the notion is ignorant idiocy.

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

The same thing would have happened if they refused to bake an interracial or Muslim couples cake.

First off a Muslim wouldn't go to a christian baker. Second there is nothing in the bible that says interracial marriage is a sin....So as normal you point is bullshit. Stop trying to act like being a homosexual is like being black! Black people dont have a choice about their skin color!

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.

Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

Listen idiot you can refuse service based on your faith....Just like a Jew wouldn't cater a Nazi wedding. Yes I am likening the homosexual mafia who is suing people like this to Nazi. Grow the **** up and find another baker like adult would! Sin is NOT a civil right.

No, actually you can't. If you have a religious objection to serving Jews, blacks, the disabled, women, etc...you don't get to use your religion to get out of the laws of this nation.

Grow the **** up and bake the cake you advertised.

 

[danielpalos]

Refusing to participate in gay marriage is practicing what you preach.

not on a for-profit basis; it just means you are a lousy capitalist.

 

[Skylar]

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.
Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

The Christians follow the New Testament, not the Old Testament.

Then why did the Puritans execute for both sodomy and adultry, as the Old Testament commands?

And why did the Founders execute for sodomy, with Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its law?

Are you claiming the Founders weren't Christians?

Anne Heche tells us that sexual orientation is not an immutable trait. The fact that lesbians have children naturally means that sexual orientation is not an immutable trait. The fact that most gay men have been molested as boys means that homosexuality most certainly is not an innate trait.

Who says that most gay men have been molested as boys? Can you cite your source? Your 2007 Mayo clinic article doesn't say that.

 

[Silhouette]

Refusing to participate in gay marriage is practicing what you preach.

not on a for-profit basis; it just means you are a lousy capitalist.

Well, fortunately souls aren't on this earth to become excellent capitalists at the expense of eternity. So, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!

 

[Silhouette]

1. Then why did the Puritans execute for both sodomy and adultry, as the Old Testament commands? And why did the Founders execute for sodomy, with Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its law? Are you claiming the Founders weren't Christians?

2. Who says that most gay men have been molested as boys? Can you cite your source? Your 2007 Mayo clinic article doesn't say that.

1. I'm claiming they were cracked. There will be a threshold the Court will have to find. And it isn't a life-threatening situation to refuse to participate in "gay marriage". So, good luck.

2. Read the source. It is from a 2005 publication of "Clinical Psychiatry News". It's an article quoting the CDC (you know, one of our government bodies charged with getting to the bottom of the causes, physical and behavioral, of the escalating HIV/AIDS epidemic) study of 3,000 gay men.

Magazine article By Worcester, Sharon
Clinical Psychiatry News , Vol. 33, No. 2 , February 2005

Drug Use among Gay Men Pervasive by Worcester Sharon - Clinical Psychiatry News Vol. 33 Issue 2 February 2005 Online Research Library Questia

Also from the CDC....you know...if you trust the source....

Youth aged 13 to 24 accounted for an estimated 26% of all new HIV infections in the United States in 2010.

• Most new HIV infections among youth occur among gay and bisexual males; there was a 22% increase in estimated new infections in this group from 2008 to 2010. CDC - HIV Among Youth - Age - Risk - HIV AIDS

 

[Syriusly]

No one is being 'forced' to participate in 'sin,' the notion is ignorant idiocy.

Tell that to the baker who is might have to pay $130,000 for telling a homosexual fascist that they didn't want to cater their ceremony....They have a RIGHT to refuse service on religious beliefs according to the first amendment ....

The same thing would have happened if they refused to bake an interracial or Muslim couples cake.

First off a Muslim wouldn't go to a christian baker. Second there is nothing in the bible that says interracial marriage is a sin....So as normal you point is bullshit. Stop trying to act like being a homosexual is like being black! Black people dont have a choice about their skin color!

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.

Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

Listen idiot you can refuse service based on your faith....Just like a Jew wouldn't cater a Nazi wedding. Yes I am likening the homosexual mafia who is suing people like this to Nazi. Grow the **** up and find another baker like adult would! Sin is NOT a civil right.

You are an idiot.

Any idiot can refuse service based upon faith- but if he is breaking the law he will suffer the legal consequences of refusing to serve a black, or a Jew, or a Christian or a homosexual, or a veteran- just because he says 'My faith says so"

A Jew can refuse to cater a Nazi wedding just fine- but a Jew can't refuse to cater a wedding because the couple was born in Germany.

No matter what the Christo-Fascists say- they are as protected by the law as everyone else.

 

[Syriusly]

1. Then why did the Puritans execute for both sodomy and adultry, as the Old Testament commands? And why did the Founders execute for sodomy, with Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its law? Are you claiming the Founders weren't Christians?

2. Who says that most gay men have been molested as boys? Can you cite your source? Your 2007 Mayo clinic article doesn't say that.

2. Read the source. It is from a 2005 publication of "Clinical Psychiatry News". It's an article quoting the CDC (you know, one of our government bodies) study of over 3,000 gay men.

Just for those who haven't dealt with Silhouette before- she routinely lies about her claims.

 

[Syriusly]

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.
Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

The Christians follow the New Testament, not the Old Testament. The Old Testament is a historical reference of what Jesus came to set straight. Jude 1 is in the New Testament. It forbids the promotion of any homosexual culture. Marriage is the core of any culture. Ergo, gay marriage will get you eternity in the slammer. Not just 10 Hail Marys or counting your rosary beads after confession on Saturday. It's one of the major sins a Christian can commit.

Anne Heche tells us that sexual orientation is not an immutable trait. The fact that lesbians have children naturally means that sexual orientation is not an immutable trait. The fact that most gay men have been molested as boys means that homosexuality most certainly is not an innate trait.

Now if you want to discuss how homosexuality is a stubborn mental habituation, then yeah, we can go there. Look at the data (and the sources, Clinical Psychiatrists, the CDC and the Mayo Clinic..]

The Mayo Clinic has never issued any such study.

You just lie about the paper written by Dr. Hall and Dr. Hall- the paper which does not talk about 'homosexuality' or the causes of homosexuality.

 

[Syriusly]

Sure they would. You advertise you make wedding cakes, you're going to get all faiths, races, creeds, etc. You can't refuse service to any of those and there IS biblical justification for all of it if you look.
Race and sexual orientation are both immutable traits...but it's the bigots and the discrimination that are actually being compared.

The Christians follow the New Testament, not the Old Testament. The Old Testament is a historical reference of what Jesus came to set straight. Jude 1 is in the New Testament. It forbids the promotion of any homosexual culture. Marriage is the core of any culture. Ergo, gay marriage will get you eternity in the slammer. ]

What is wierd is that you say you are no longer a Christian.

Hence if hell exists- you are going there- because you don't accept Christ as your savoir.

The New Testament doesn't forbid any such thing- Jesus does very clearly forbid remarriage after divorce.......but never mentions homosexuality, and no one says "you are going to hell if you bake a cake for a gay wedding"