Supreme Court Oral Arguments in the Birthright Citizenship Case

[SweetSue92]

Oral Arguments going on now. So far, the Court seems skeptical of Trump's EO.

Personally this stuff is often frustrating to me. It should be obvious that if you illegally break into our nation, your child doesn't get citizenship. But here we are, a do-nothing Congress, so we're relegated to this.

Follow along here:

Oral argument live blog for Wednesday, April 1

On Wednesday, April 1, we will be live blogging as the court hears argument in Trump v. Barbara, on the constitutionality of President Donald Trump’s executive order on birthright citizenship. […]

www.scotusblog.com

 

[Zincwarrior]

They chewed on the Trump lawyer pretty hard.

Defense attorney just started.

 

[SweetSue92]

They chewed on the Trump lawyer pretty hard.

Defense attorney just started.

1.5 million babies born here with help from "birth tourism" companies, mainly in Russia and China. Most modern nations would not, and do not, put up with this. But I guess you love paying all these taxes for illegal babies to have immediate citizenship.

 

[mudwhistle]

1.5 million babies born here with help from "birth tourism" companies, mainly in Russia and China. Most modern nations would not, and do not, put up with this. But I guess you love paying all these taxes for illegal babies to have immediate citizenship.

This issue is do illegal aliens have the same citizenship rights as legal immigrants?

 

[Unkotare]

This issue is do illegal aliens have the same citizenship rights as legal immigrants?

???

 

[pknopp]

A newborn baby is found at the steps of the local fire station.

No idea who the parents are. Is the child a citizens or do we deport it?

 

[SweetSue92]

Oral Arguments going on now. So far, the Court seems skeptical of Trump's EO.

Personally this stuff is often frustrating to me. It should be obvious that if you illegally break into our nation, your child doesn't get citizenship. But here we are, a do-nothing Congress, so we're relegated to this.

Follow along here:

Oral argument live blog for Wednesday, April 1

On Wednesday, April 1, we will be live blogging as the court hears argument in Trump v. Barbara, on the constitutionality of President Donald Trump’s executive order on birthright citizenship. […]

www.scotusblog.com

Mod at Scotus Blog said he thought for sure this case would go 7-2 AGAINST the admin/EO. Now, he's not too sure.

 

[SweetSue92]

A newborn baby is found at the steps of the local fire station.

No idea who the parents are. Is the child a citizens or do we deport it?

Oh. We should let in millions and millions of babies born FOR SURE to illegals because you posit this situation?

Dumb. Really dumb

 

[Unkotare]

Oh. We should let in millions and millions of babies born FOR SURE to illegals because you posit this situation?

Dumb. Really dumb

"Let in"?

 

[pknopp]

Oh. We should let in millions and millions of babies born FOR SURE to illegals because you posit this situation?

Dumb. Really dumb

Typical avoidance of my question.

 

[SweetSue92]

Typical avoidance of my question.

It's a stupid hypothetical that speaks nothing to the law being debated.

Seriously, bug off

 

[pknopp]

It's a stupid hypothetical that speaks nothing to the law being debated.

Seriously, bug off

It's a factual situation. It's going to be in part why Trump loses. "Foundlings".

 

[TNHarley]

The intention of the 14th was recorded and quite clear. I dont understand why they need more arguments.
Then again, we havent had a constitutional supreme court for generations.

 

[Winston]

Oral Arguments going on now. So far, the Court seems skeptical of Trump's EO.

Personally this stuff is often frustrating to me. It should be obvious that if you illegally break into our nation, your child doesn't get citizenship. But here we are, a do-nothing Congress, so we're relegated to this.

Follow along here:

Oral argument live blog for Wednesday, April 1

On Wednesday, April 1, we will be live blogging as the court hears argument in Trump v. Barbara, on the constitutionality of President Donald Trump’s executive order on birthright citizenship. […]

www.scotusblog.com

The administration argument is now dead in the water. They clearly stated they are not seeking a reversal of Wong Kim Ark. They want everything to hinge on the parents, not the child, on domicile as they say. Yet Wong Kim Ark dismisses that argument. And the president's position is directly contradicted in the debates in Congress during the 14th amendment. Try page 2892 in the Congressional Record, I went right to it this morning.

The government's lawyer quoted Senator Trumbull, but, as I believe Sotomayer pointed out--Trumbull's position was DEFEATED. Now, listening to the lawyer for the opposition. She must be on page 2892, she is quoting Conness, he actually WON.

 

[Winston]

The intention of the 14th was recorded and quite clear. I dont understand why they need more arguments.
Then again, we havent had a constitutional supreme court for generations.

Yes, recorded and quite clear.

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-globe/page-headings/39th-congress/n-a/52567

I hope that takes you to page 2892. Read Conness. Objections have been raised, the amendment would make children born to Gypsies and Mongolians citizens. Conness rises, kind of pokes fun about the Gypsies, said he never heard much about them till this debate. But, being from California, Conness knew something about Mongolians. They have no allegiance to the United States, they have no intention of staying here, and even if they die, well they ship the bodies back to China to be buried in the Homeland. They rarely bring their women here, and at that time, they could not even be citizens.

Conness said he didn't care. Yes, the child of Mongolian parents, even those here illegally and temporarily, are automatically granted citizenship under the 14th amendment. It was passed with that knowledge completely accepted by the Senate, and later, the House. And precisely that was affirmed in Wong Kim Ark. I mean this case is laughable on its face.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

1.5 million babies born here with help from "birth tourism" companies, mainly in Russia and China. Most modern nations would not, and do not, put up with this. But I guess you love paying all these taxes for illegal babies to have immediate citizenship.

Change the Constitution to something other than what it says. I listened to the oral arguments and the plaintiffs attorney was winning and I couldn't find anything to disagree with.

 

[Synthaholic]

Trump showed up to try to intimidate Justices who cannot be fired.

 

[Synthaholic]

1.5 million babies born here with help from "birth tourism" companies, mainly in Russia and China. Most modern nations would not, and do not, put up with this. But I guess you love paying all these taxes for illegal babies to have immediate citizenship.

Are you aware that Trump facilitated this before becoming POTUS by deals with Russians to rent his properties so they could come to America to have their children be American/Russian dual citizens?

Did you know that?

 

[Winston]

Change the Constitution to something other than what it says. I listened to the oral arguments and the plaintiffs attorney was winning and I couldn't find anything to disagree with.

Yes, so much better than the administration's lawyer. Absolutely seized the moment and went for the death blow right away, can't rule in favor of the administration without over turning Wong Kim Ark. Their lawyer said they were not asking for that. We done now.

 

[Synthaholic]

Are you aware that Trump facilitated this before becoming POTUS by deals with Russians to rent his properties so they could come to America to have their children be American/Russian dual citizens?

Did you know that?

No, Unkotare , you ******* asshole, it's not Fake News.

To The Contrary | TTC Extra: Russian Birth Tourism at Trump Properties | Season 26

Russian women are having children in Florida hotels to get their kids US passports

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Russians Seek Trump Properties to Give Birth to U.S. Kids

While the president rails against children of undocumented immigrants, wealthy Russians rent his condos—at huge costs—so they can have American kids.

www.thedailybeast.com

Trump, DESPITE his opposition to "birthright citizenship", gave Russian women the ability IN HIS HOTELS!

He doesn't want Children of Color born in the US, but Russians are OK?

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