Suicide and the Bible.

[Gracie]

Anyone that lives completely by the commandments is not human. It's impossible. How does one honor a mother and father that tortures them or beats them? How does one NOT covet that shiny new red porsche sitting in the neighbors yard, telling themselves "man, I wish I had that". Is that not coveting? Men who look at porn or eyeball a beautiful woman, is that not committing adultry in the mind? Yes yes yes yes....so how can suicide be fact as murder when the rest is impossible.

 

[Road Runner]

I hope nobody on here was beaten by their parents, that would be awful.

 

[hobelim]

Exodus 20:13 - The Ten Commandments

You shall not murder.

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If you have set aside the divine commands, worship a human being as if he was God, and teach others to do the same, then you are a murderer.

 

[hobelim]

Anyone that lives completely by the commandments is not human. It's impossible. How does one honor a mother and father that tortures them or beats them? How does one NOT covet that shiny new red porsche sitting in the neighbors yard, telling themselves "man, I wish I had that". Is that not coveting? Men who look at porn or eyeball a beautiful woman, is that not committing adultry in the mind? Yes yes yes yes....so how can suicide be fact as murder when the rest is impossible.

The mother is the earth, the Father is God.

God would not give commands that were impossible for people to follow.

That would be a dick of a God. Would you worship a dick?

 

[.oldschool]

James 2:11
For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Is murder concernings one's self, that was given free will by God, considered murder? Or did he mean murder of another person? Nobody knows. Not even James or Matthew.

In my opinion it is Gracie.

 

[.oldschool]

If you have set aside the divine commands, worship a human being as if he was God, and teach others to do the same, then you are a murderer.

Calm down hobelim.

 

[Gracie]

In my opinion it is Gracie.

And I respect your opinion. Don't agree, but respect it and you enough to let you know that.

 

[Gracie]

Off topic a smidge..but who can REALLY commit sinlessly to the commandments? They sound reasonable enough, but how can one not covit, or eyeball a beautiful woman or a really hunky man and be married and it is NOT considered adultry?
Harsh rules for children given free will. Which is why He sent Jesus, I guess. To take all that crap on to Himself so we can....what? Be perfect? Only one perfect individual ever lived. Jesus. We can all TRY to do as the law stated, but we will always fail.

 

[hobelim]

Calm down hobelim.

Struck a nerve did I?

Did you teach your children to worship Jesus condemning them to a life under a curse in hell?

MURDERER!

 

[hobelim]

Off topic a smidge..but who can REALLY commit sinlessly to the commandments? They sound reasonable enough, but how can one not covit, or eyeball a beautiful woman or a really hunky man and be married and it is NOT considered adultry?

It is impossible if you believe the subjects are about fashion, diet, and the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds, but they are not..according to Jesus that is....

The words used in the Law are figurative the subjects hidden. Most of the Laws are not about doing anything hard. They are about not saying and doing stupid things.

Apparently that is impossible for many...

 

[ding]

^dunning effect

 

[hobelim]

^dunning effect

I wonder why you took that personally... lol..

Don't tell me you never knew that Jesus was teaching the only way to understand and comply with the laws demands that fulfills the promise of eternal life and abundant blessings within the sanctuary of God in heaven while still alive on earth....

The only thing about the law that became obsolete after this teaching from God came into the world through Jesus was the wrong way to follow it.

Don't take it too hard. At least you have the obsessive dedication of a stalker or serial killer.

How many time have you tried to murder me with your bullshit story about how amazing worshipping a matzo is, "the soul bursting at the seams", and all that crap?

Must really suck not being able to lead anyone here down a dark alley to be brain raped by a brood of talking serpents like you were when you were just a supple and tender little boy...

loser.

 

[ding]

I wonder why you took that personally... lol..


loser.......

I didn't. I was just making an observation. Overestimating your abilities while underestimating the ability of others is a hallmark of the dunning effect.

 

[ding]

I wonder why you took that personally... lol..

Don't tell me you never knew that Jesus was teaching the only way to understand and comply with the laws demands that fulfills the promise of eternal life and abundant blessings within the sanctuary of God in heaven while still alive on earth....

The only thing about the law that became obsolete after this teaching from God came into the world through Jesus was the wrong way to follow it.

Don't take it too hard. At least you have the obsessive dedication of a stalker or serial killer.

How many time have you tried to murder me with your bullshit story about how amazing worshipping a matzo is, "the soul bursting at the seams", and all that crap?

Must really suck not being able to lead anyone here down a dark alley to be brain raped by a brood of talking serpents like you were when you were just a supple and tender little boy...

loser.

Your rant makes you sound like a religious nutjob.

 

[ding]

a supple and tender little boy...

That's more than a little creepy, bro.

 

[hobelim]

That's more than a little creepy, bro.

Isn't that what happened to you according to your own words?

Then you went wild for a few years (already deprived of the ability to reason) and returned to Catholicism like a dog returns to its vomit.

Apparently you were so fucked up that becoming a dedicated idolator was a step up.

And you actually profess to believe that you can sin for the rest of your life with impunity because Jesus was killed by the romans. You celebrate his death and then eat him in the form of a matzo.

Now that's creepy!

Who would celebrate the death of an innocent man and accept the bullshit teaching of Rome that Jesus died a horrible death so that you don't have to pay the price for your own sins. Sheesh!

You are a very stupid man.

Jesus must be really impressed by your love for him....

I am.

 

[ding]

Isn't that what happened to you according to your own words?

Then you went wild for a few years (already deprived of the ability to reason) and returned to Catholicism like a dog returns to its vomit.

Apparently you were so fucked up that becoming a dedicated idolator was a step up.

And you actually profess to believe that you can sin for the rest of your life with impunity because Jesus was killed by the romans. You celebrate his death and then eat him in the form of a matzo.

Now that's creepy!

Who would celebrate the death of an innocent man and accept the bullshit teaching of Rome that Jesus died a horrible death so that you don't have to pay the price for your own sins. Sheesh!

You are a very stupid man.

Jesus must be really impressed by your love for him....

I am.

I don't know what you are talking about but you fit that profile of creepy.

 

[hobelim]

I don't know what you are talking about but you fit that profile of creepy.

Of Course you don't know what I am talking about. The dead know nothing. It says so in the Bible and you confirm it in reality with your irrational, superstitious, religious flotsam and so I believe.

Amen! Hallelujah! Praise God! And a thank you to Jesus!

I will never know what it is to die the death that you have died since childhood every time that you go to mass and openly defy the law of God, perjure yourself in his name, desecrate the teachings of Jesus, and seek spiritual life from a matzo, the lifeless work of human hands.

You are happy with your choice. I am happy with mine. Everybody is happy! Woo Hoo!

You have your reward already.... and I have mine.

 

[ding]

Of Course you don't know what I am talking about. The dead know nothing. It says so in the Bible and you confirm it in reality with your religious flotsam and so I believe.

Amen! Hallelujah! Praise God! And a thank you to Jesus!

I will never know what it is to die the death that you die every time you openly defy the law of God, perjure yourself in his name, desecrate the teachings of Jesus, and seek spiritual life from a matzo, the lifeless work of human hands.

Nutjob says wut?

 

[Batcat]

I don't think they will go to Hell if they're saved, but a commandment is "Thou shall not kill" and suicide is killing yourself. I believe that murder and self-defense are different though.

‘Thou shalt not kill“ was a mistranslation. It should be “Thou shall not murder.“or “Do not murder.”

You Can Kill, But Not Murder: The Case for the Ten Commandments - The Dennis Prager Show

Ask almost anyone to recite the commandment in the Ten Commandments that prohibits taking a life and you will be told, “Thou Shall Not Kill.” That is the King James translation of the sixth commandment. It is a magnificent translation. But this one has led to much moral confusion. Yesterday...

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***snip***

So why did the King James translation of the Bible use the word “kill” rather than “murder”? Because 400 years ago, when the translation was made, “kill” was synonymous with “murder.” As a result, some people don’t realize that English has changed since 1610 and therefore think that the Ten Commandments prohibits all killing.

But, of course, it doesn’t. If the Ten Commandments forbade killing, we would all have to be vegetarians, as killing animals would be prohibited. And we would all have to be pacifists — since we could not kill even in self-defense.

However, you don’t have to know how the English language has evolved to understand that the Ten Commandments could not have prohibited all killing. The very same part of the Bible that contains the Ten Commandments — the Five Books of Moses, the Torah as it is known by Jews — commands the death penalty for murder, allows killing in war, prescribes animal sacrifice and allows eating meat.

A correct understanding of the commandment against murder is crucial because, while virtually every modern translation correctly translates the commandment as “Do not murder,” many people cite the King James translation to justify two positions that have no biblical basis: opposition to capital punishment and pacifism.

The Ten Commandments, Killing, and Murder: A Detailed Commentary

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