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I realize the discussion is unique, but that could be what's been missing.LOL.....Damn, maybe you people should just quit and go to your respective corners because half (on either side of the 2A issue) don't know WTF you are talking about. I've not seen such a low-rent discussion in years.
I am pretty sure that it is even far less than even 1 out of every 100 gun owners that will shoot, threaten or accidentally be involved in any kind of negative fire arms event that actually brings harm. It certainly is around here. Even smart conservative, generally safety minded people do stupid crap by accident. Look at YouTube dashcam vids, if in doubt.Yes, you're right about it being the people. That's a more nuanced approach to the problem. And so it's the guns in the hands of the people with a mindset of violence.
You shouldn't have to give up your guns.
And of course it will never be 'most' who shoot other people.
If say a hundred gun owners were lined up holding their guns, I would suggest that the one or two who will be involved in trouble of some sort with their guns, could be identified by their personal appearance and by the guns they choose to own.
Trouble as in everything to accidental shootings, vandalism with a gun, or crimes up to and including murder. Their mindset of violence could be measured somewhat by their choice of weapon and their personal appearance.
It's always worth broadening the conversation, if only to poke the extremists with a stick.
But much more is possible!
I meant for it to be an imagined situation and so of course it could be less than 1 in 100. But you're only 'pretty sure' about it.I am pretty sure that it is even far less than even 1 out of every 100 gun owners that will shoot, threaten or accidentally be involved in any kind of negative fire arms event that actually brings harm. It certainly is around here. Even smart conservative, generally safety minded people do stupid crap by accident. Look at YouTube dashcam vids, if in doubt.
Of course you wouldn't duck. That would require FACTS, you know those pesky little things that you avoid. I am absolutely positive that White6 has access to and will provide those statistics to you, but you don't care to have those presented because they will nullify any point you were trying to make. So once again, butt out. You have no standing in policy discussions in the US. This is not Canaduh.It could be investigated to ground but I don't see any real purpose of doing that.
Maybe that guy is going hog hunting after the line-up and the O/U guy is going to take care of a cheating wife after a bird hunt.I've promoted the idea that may lead to attempts to flesh it out. I would expect the first attempt to do so will come from one of the extremists who may also make it your and my business to know what guns they've chosen.
For instance, I doubt that the guy in the line with an 'over under' shotgun, dressed in clothes suitable for the sport, won't be one of those who causes some vandalism or violence with his guns. Conversely, the guy with the black AR-15 who is dressed up in a camo costume will be indicating a dangerous mindset.
Can you add more fleshing it out?
I'll remember that and try to keep my AR-15 off the streets. As for the camo, I usually save the camo, LBE and "jump boots" for back country hiking. Still fits though, even after retired 25 years.I meant for it to be an imagined situation and so of course it could be less than 1 in 100. But you're only 'pretty sure' about it.
It could be investigated to ground but I don't see any real purpose of doing that.
Suffice to say that when I was a shooter and a hunter, I witnessed a fair amount of abusive behaviour with guns. However, none resulting in accidental deaths. Luckily!
I still suggest that the guy with the 'over under' who is dressed appropriately for his sport, or is in normal street clothes, will almost never be the one who caused trouble with his gun.
Contrast him with the guy standing on a city street corner with his AR-15, who is dressed in camo and his carrying an ammunition belt or two.
The dash cam antics could be exceptions to the rule, on stupid and careless behaviour.
It's possible but you are caught digging for the exception in this case, and so only help to make my point.Maybe that guy is going hog hunting after the line-up and the O/U guy is going to take care of a cheating wife after a bird hunt.
And again, you reach for the exception to the rule.Back in the mid-80s a childhood friend of mine killed three black home invaders over in MD with a iron-sighted lever-action Model 336 Marlin in .35 Remington. It was his deer rifle his dad gave him when he was around 12.
200 grain is doubtful and would be an exception to the usual. And then it's also most likely your attempt to embellish a story that is an obvious exception to the rule.All three were armed. He was just a occasional hunter on his dad's farm and worked as a bank branch manager. His dad told me those 200 gr. soft points really did a number on them.
In fact, if you imagine my line of 100, you can make an educated guess. And you could even make an educated guess by singling out those with 'black' firearms, as opposed to the 'over under' shotgun. But granted, he could use his shotgun to murder his wife. It's much more likely he'll use a handgun or a 'black' gun if he's going to take it to some school.Point is you can't really tell the will/motivations of a person by what is owned, their appearance, or their occupation.
LOL....BTW, my friend un-assed MD in a hurry and managed a bank here in town till he retired.....He lives in AZ now.
White doesn't have the statistics and he made that clear in his comments. You may not have read what he said?Of course you wouldn't duck. That would require FACTS, you know those pesky little things that you avoid. I am absolutely positive that White6 has access to and will provide those statistics to you, but you don't care to have those presented because they will nullify any point you were trying to make. So once again, butt out. You have no standing in policy discussions in the US. This is not Canaduh.
Meh, the cops in MD were cool, just three more dead crackheads to them, deemed justified, no charges. Harold just decided that he needed a bit more Virginia in his life. The banks at the time would send the young managers to shit-hole areas. He was over around Hyattsville, MD when the home invasion took place.It's possible but you are caught digging for the exception in this case, and so only help to make my point.
And again, you reach for the exception to the rule.
200 grain is doubtful and would be an exception to the usual. And then it's also most likely your attempt to embellish a story that is an obvious exception to the rule.
In fact, if you imagine my line of 100, you can make an educated guess. And you could even make an educated guess by singling out those with 'black' firearms, as opposed to the 'over under' shotgun. But granted, he could use his shotgun to murder his wife. It's much more likely he'll use a handgun or a 'black' gun if he's going to take it to some school.
Him being a friend of yours wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the police if the murders were investigated.
I doubt the AR-15.I'll remember that and try to keep my AR-15 off the streets. As for the camo, I usually save the camo, LBE and "jump boots" for back country hiking. Still fits though, even after retired 25 years.
Can you perhaps combine all of your thoughts into one or two posts. I can't keep up to replying to your messages when you're trying to get your point across every two minutes.Of course you wouldn't duck. That would require FACTS, you know those pesky little things that you avoid. I am absolutely positive that White6 has access to and will provide those statistics to you, but you don't care to have those presented because they will nullify any point you were trying to make. So once again, butt out. You have no standing in policy discussions in the US. This is not Canaduh.
What can I say? I'm against school shootings and the NRA profiting off of the death of children.i think you got those talking points down pat now.
Meh, the NRA is pretty much dead by their own hand. Neither the left or right is skeered of them any more.....Serious 2A advocates have moved on.....Piss on "Wayne" and his fancy suits.What can I say? I'm against school shootings and the NRA profiting off of the death of children.
boodie said:What can I say? I'm against school shootings and the NRA profiting off of the death of children.
Says you. Prove that it is the exception duck. You can't so STFUbut you are caught digging for the exception in this case,
Not the exception, again duck. This ain't Canada--we defend our homes in this country.you reach for the exception to the rule.
You're showing your ignorance again duck. .375 Caliber 200 Grain Jacketed Flat Point Bullets Lapua Mega .30-06 Springfield 200 grain Soft Point Brass Cased Centerfire Rifle Ammunition 500 RDS - Honor Ammo Shop Speer Bullets 2405 Hot-Cor 338 Caliber .338 200 GR Spitzer Soft Point 50 Box Bullet Type: Spitzer Soft Point, You see, in this country, we back up our statements with PROOF. You have none so you spew shit.200 grain is doubtful and would be an exception to the usual
Says you. Prove that it is the exception duck. You can't so STFU
Not the exception, again duck. This ain't Canada--we defend our homes in this country.
You're showing your ignorance again duck. Lapua Mega .30-06 Springfield 200 grain Soft Point Brass Cased Centerfire Rifle Ammunition
You can't keep up with one a day duck. Guess that says something about your abilities. You also, apparently, can't find time to substantiate ANY of your assertions either. In this country, we call that BULLSHIT. Re: White6's AR-15, why don't you come down here and question him in person and find out.I doubt the AR-15.
But then it's an indication of the mindset issue you introduced, as opposed to the mindset in countries where that sort of weapon is no where nearly as popular.
Can you perhaps combine all of your thoughts into one or two posts. I can't keep up to replying to your messages when you're trying to get your point across every two minutes.
Gun violence isn't poaching moron. As for the other numbers you wanted--here you go (a simple internet search will greatly reduce your ignorance--maybe) There are approx. 400 million legal guns in the US. There were a hair over 20K instances of gun violence in the US in 2021. Simple math puts the rate of gun violence per gun at .00005--that is five thousandths of one percent. Now STFU or provide substantiation for your bullshit, duck.It could even be the shooting of a game animal out of season
LOL.....I knew when he threw shade on the .35 Rem. 200 gr SP he was full of it......When they try to opine on the technical aspects of a cartridge it always gives them away.Says you. Prove that it is the exception duck. You can't so STFU
Not the exception, again duck. This ain't Canada--we defend our homes in this country.
You're showing your ignorance again duck. .375 Caliber 200 Grain Jacketed Flat Point Bullets Lapua Mega .30-06 Springfield 200 grain Soft Point Brass Cased Centerfire Rifle Ammunition 500 RDS - Honor Ammo Shop Speer Bullets 2405 Hot-Cor 338 Caliber .338 200 GR Spitzer Soft Point 50 Box Bullet Type: Spitzer Soft Point, You see, in this country, we back up our statements with PROOF. You have none so you spew shit.
You can't keep up with one a day duck. Guess that says something about your abilities. You also, apparently, can't find time to substantiate ANY of your assertions either. In this country, we call that BULLSHIT. Re: White6's AR-15, why don't you come down here and question him in person and find out.
Gun violence isn't poaching moron.
