Study Shows USA is an Oligarchy, not Democratic

[Sallow]

I didn't say it did, you lying sack of shyte.

Lol, talk about a straw man argument, you just make shit up and then do a victory lap that no one is watching.

In this very thread you demonstrated you do not understand the study or much else.

Basically? You heard some buzzwords that sounded good and posted this thread.

Then, almost without my thought behind it..you say you would rather live in Iceland.

Iceland?

It really does have a lot of socialism in the mix of it's government. No one there would get away with making more than 20 times what the lowest paid guy in the company makes. And it's economy is heavily regulated.

It also has no real military.

There is nothing that excuses the incompetence of the Obama regime, and the fact that Iceland handled its situation far better says a lot for it, but it isn't a socialist nation.

That you and you butt buddies thought it was says who the real ignoramus is here, Swallow, and it is, once again, you.

The fact that you have to resort to your homosexual inclinations just puts on display what a big fat fail this thread is, Jimbo.

You are complaining about something FDR tried to reverse and Reagan did a jujitsu move on and sent back in this exact track.

Republicans and their fluffers are very happy with this outcome.

Except now some of you have gone "rogue".

It's a little late.



Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve.

 

[peach174]

We were long described as a 'democratic republic' as the majority of our top officials were elected through a mostly democratic process and they supposedly represented the will of the people.

They do not any more. They represent the money that gets donated to them.

No - we were never a Democratic Republic until the Progressives took over at around 1913under Wilson.
Theodore Roosevelt started the movement but it really took hold under President Wilson.
For the last 100 years Progressives have called us a Democracy while Conservatives have called us a Republic.

If we change our Tax system the money would no longer have the lobbying influence that it has now.

United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy, "in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law".[214] The government is regulated by a system of checks and balances defined by the U.S. Constitution, which serves as the country's supreme legal document.[215] For 2012, the U.S. ranked 21st on the Democracy Index[216] and 19th on the Corruption Perceptions Index.[217]

You have ever right to your opinion, but I think you are factually incorrect.

But I don't see any point to continue ping ponging this topic.

Ping Ponging?
It is very important for Americans to know and be taught the difference.
We are a Republic.
You posted Wikipedia
Wikipedia says we are a Republic

Our Universities teach that we are a Republic, unless you go to a very liberal college, then they teach the false crap that we are a Democracy and teach that the USA is a Representative Democracy.
We aren't, there is a distinct difference between a representative Democracy and a Constitutional Republic.
Progressives teach this so that they can get their bigger government ideology, which is the total opposite of our Constitutional Republic that limits our government.

This is why they hate the Constitution because they can't advance their ideology completely.
Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson hated the Constitution, they both railed at the courts when their programs were ruled as unconstitutional as do all progressives, because they can't get their total policies that they want.
Progressivism is anti-constitution.

Constitutional republic - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A constitutional republic is a state in which the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people. They must govern to existing constitution.

In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers can be separated into distinct branches.

That a constitution exists that limits the government's power makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, makes the state a republic. The USA is a Constitutional Republic.

Teaching that we are a representative democracy is totally incorrect and turns us into a certain type of democracy where the majority rules over the minority, or even worse like we have now where the minority rules over the majority in all aspects not just our government.

By changing this meaning the progressives got their opposite ideology into the nation.

Our Constitutional Republic is the very bedrock of our principals, which is individual freedom and limited government.
Progressives have changed it to societal problems which makes the government the stewardship in what ever it thinks is necessary and individual freedom and larger government can be done anytime it wants to, however it wants to, as they want to define it.
In other words your individual freedom does not matter as long it is for the good of society.
This is exactly why we are losing our individual freedom.
This is why Americans really need to be taught the difference.

Progressives have turned us into a type of Democracy which erodes our individualism and freedoms.
They turned our States who voted for Senators to the peoples votes (Democracy)
They have put ballots to the people to vote if they can't get their policies done legislatively (Democracy)
They have eroded individual States rights to the control of the Federal Government with democracy.
It finally turns us into a mob rule (Democracy), which the founders never wanted.

 

[Grandma]

An oligarchy is a system where power is effectively wielded by a small number of individuals defined by their status called oligarchs. Members of the oligarchy are the rich, the well connected and the politically powerful, as well as particularly well placed individuals in institutions like banking and finance or the military.

For their study, Gilens and Page compiled data from roughly 1,800 different policy initiatives in the years between 1981 and 2002. They then compared those policy changes with the expressed opinion of the United State public. Comparing the preferences of the average American at the 50th percentile of income to what those Americans at the 90th percentile preferred, as well as the opinions of major lobbying or business groups, the researchers found out that the government followed the directives set forth by the latter two much more often.

It's beyond alarming. As Gilens and Page write, "the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." In other words, their statistics say your opinion literally does not matter.

The corporations have divided the working class against itself using neomarxist fascism on the left and social issues to the right to wedge the working class apart and distract us from the looting we are subjected to such as 'Quantitative Easing' and the steady shift of taxation from three individual dollars to every two corporate tax dollars, to it now being 6 to 1 heavy individual taxes paying almost all the governments costs instead of corporations. The law says that corporations are people so why don't they pay taxes at rates like the real people?

We have been hoodwinked and robbed and we keep on letting trolls and liars mislead us and bamboozle us to get robbed even more.

A lot of us on the left have been saying that since at least 2003.

Oh well, better late than never. Thank you for coming to the good side. Welcome.

 

[peach174]

An oligarchy is a system where power is effectively wielded by a small number of individuals defined by their status called oligarchs. Members of the oligarchy are the rich, the well connected and the politically powerful, as well as particularly well placed individuals in institutions like banking and finance or the military.

For their study, Gilens and Page compiled data from roughly 1,800 different policy initiatives in the years between 1981 and 2002. They then compared those policy changes with the expressed opinion of the United State public. Comparing the preferences of the average American at the 50th percentile of income to what those Americans at the 90th percentile preferred, as well as the opinions of major lobbying or business groups, the researchers found out that the government followed the directives set forth by the latter two much more often.

It's beyond alarming. As Gilens and Page write, "the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." In other words, their statistics say your opinion literally does not matter.

The corporations have divided the working class against itself using neomarxist fascism on the left and social issues to the right to wedge the working class apart and distract us from the looting we are subjected to such as 'Quantitative Easing' and the steady shift of taxation from three individual dollars to every two corporate tax dollars, to it now being 6 to 1 heavy individual taxes paying almost all the governments costs instead of corporations. The law says that corporations are people so why don't they pay taxes at rates like the real people?
We have been hoodwinked and robbed and we keep on letting trolls and liars mislead us and bamboozle us to get robbed even more.

They do.
They pay their taxes on their original earnings and pay taxes again on the earnings in stocks.
Every single one of us do this it is not just the corporations.
We pay Federal Taxes on our original earnings and then when some of us invest it in the markets and are taxed on the earning on that.
The reason they pay less in stocks is because it is a risk investment.
Look at all of the countries who have lower corporate taxes and businesses as well jobs are doing much better.

 

[JimBowie1958]

In this very thread you demonstrated you do not understand the study or much else.

Basically? You heard some buzzwords that sounded good and posted this thread.

Then, almost without my thought behind it..you say you would rather live in Iceland.

Iceland?

It really does have a lot of socialism in the mix of it's government. No one there would get away with making more than 20 times what the lowest paid guy in the company makes. And it's economy is heavily regulated.

It also has no real military.

There is nothing that excuses the incompetence of the Obama regime, and the fact that Iceland handled its situation far better says a lot for it, but it isn't a socialist nation.

That you and you butt buddies thought it was says who the real ignoramus is here, Swallow, and it is, once again, you.

The fact that you have to resort to your homosexual inclinations just puts on display what a big fat fail this thread is, Jimbo.

You are complaining about something FDR tried to reverse and Reagan did a jujitsu move on and sent back in this exact track.

Republicans and their fluffers are very happy with this outcome.

Except now some of you have gone "rogue".

It's a little late.

I have never been in favor of Wall Street bailouts, you lying fraud.

Honesty is obviously not a thing you are familiar with.

 

[JimBowie1958]

An oligarchy is a system where power is effectively wielded by a small number of individuals defined by their status called oligarchs. Members of the oligarchy are the rich, the well connected and the politically powerful, as well as particularly well placed individuals in institutions like banking and finance or the military.

For their study, Gilens and Page compiled data from roughly 1,800 different policy initiatives in the years between 1981 and 2002. They then compared those policy changes with the expressed opinion of the United State public. Comparing the preferences of the average American at the 50th percentile of income to what those Americans at the 90th percentile preferred, as well as the opinions of major lobbying or business groups, the researchers found out that the government followed the directives set forth by the latter two much more often.

It's beyond alarming. As Gilens and Page write, "the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." In other words, their statistics say your opinion literally does not matter.

The corporations have divided the working class against itself using neomarxist fascism on the left and social issues to the right to wedge the working class apart and distract us from the looting we are subjected to such as 'Quantitative Easing' and the steady shift of taxation from three individual dollars to every two corporate tax dollars, to it now being 6 to 1 heavy individual taxes paying almost all the governments costs instead of corporations. The law says that corporations are people so why don't they pay taxes at rates like the real people?
We have been hoodwinked and robbed and we keep on letting trolls and liars mislead us and bamboozle us to get robbed even more.

They do.
They pay their taxes on their original earnings and pay taxes again on the earnings in stocks.
Every single one of us do this it is not just the corporations.
We pay Federal Taxes on our original earnings and then when some of us invest it in the markets and are taxed on the earning on that.
The reason they pay less in stocks is because it is a risk investment.
Look at all of the countries who have lower corporate taxes and businesses as well jobs are doing much better.

Corporate earnings at not taxed at anywhere near the same effective rates as individuals. GE made billions a few years ago and wound up with the feds owing them billions in rebates.

Funny, I don't know any individuals who get back more than they pay in that are not in poverty.

We are being exploited by corporations and our government is entirely owned by them.

Wake up.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Iceland is a democratic country w/ a socialized way of life. Iceland, in fact, is the world's oldest democracy. Iceland had the world's first democratic parliament at Thingvellir in 1262. Iceland has both a president and prime minister. People have the right to vote, go where they want, etc.. The government provides free healthcare and university education to all of its people. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080103205947AAq8K92

 

[jillian]

An oligarchy is a system where power is effectively wielded by a small number of individuals defined by their status called oligarchs. Members of the oligarchy are the rich, the well connected and the politically powerful, as well as particularly well placed individuals in institutions like banking and finance or the military.

For their study, Gilens and Page compiled data from roughly 1,800 different policy initiatives in the years between 1981 and 2002. They then compared those policy changes with the expressed opinion of the United State public. Comparing the preferences of the average American at the 50th percentile of income to what those Americans at the 90th percentile preferred, as well as the opinions of major lobbying or business groups, the researchers found out that the government followed the directives set forth by the latter two much more often.

It's beyond alarming. As Gilens and Page write, "the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." In other words, their statistics say your opinion literally does not matter.

The corporations have divided the working class against itself using neomarxist fascism on the left and social issues to the right to wedge the working class apart and distract us from the looting we are subjected to such as 'Quantitative Easing' and the steady shift of taxation from three individual dollars to every two corporate tax dollars, to it now being 6 to 1 heavy individual taxes paying almost all the governments costs instead of corporations. The law says that corporations are people so why don't they pay taxes at rates like the real people?

We have been hoodwinked and robbed and we keep on letting trolls and liars mislead us and bamboozle us to get robbed even more.

there is no such thing as "neomarxist fascism" those are opposites, one left, one right.

and if you don't like us being an oligarchy, stop supporting rightwing policies that give unlimited access to our political system by the wealthiest.

 

[peach174]

The corporations have divided the working class against itself using neomarxist fascism on the left and social issues to the right to wedge the working class apart and distract us from the looting we are subjected to such as 'Quantitative Easing' and the steady shift of taxation from three individual dollars to every two corporate tax dollars, to it now being 6 to 1 heavy individual taxes paying almost all the governments costs instead of corporations. The law says that corporations are people so why don't they pay taxes at rates like the real people?
We have been hoodwinked and robbed and we keep on letting trolls and liars mislead us and bamboozle us to get robbed even more.

They do.
They pay their taxes on their original earnings and pay taxes again on the earnings in stocks.
Every single one of us do this it is not just the corporations.
We pay Federal Taxes on our original earnings and then when some of us invest it in the markets and are taxed on the earning on that.
The reason they pay less in stocks is because it is a risk investment.
Look at all of the countries who have lower corporate taxes and businesses as well jobs are doing much better.

Corporate earnings at not taxed at anywhere near the same effective rates as individuals. GE made billions a few years ago and wound up with the feds owing them billions in rebates.

Funny, I don't know any individuals who get back more than they pay in that are not in poverty.

We are being exploited by corporations and our government is entirely owned by them.

Wake up.

You are the one believing the propaganda.
I know business and how it works.

How does the corporate income tax work?

The United States imposes a tax on the profits of U.S. resident corporations at graduated rates ranging from 15 to 35 percent (just like all of the rest of us). Most corporate income is taxed at the maximum rate. Corporate shareholders also pay individual income tax on dividends and on capital gains from sale of their shares. The maximum tax rate on both dividends and capital gains is currently 15 percent, but both are scheduled to revert to pre-2001 levels (ordinary income rates of up to 39.6 percent on dividends, a maximum rate on capital gains of 20 percent) after 2010.

The corporate income tax is the third largest source of federal revenue, after the individual income tax and payroll taxes, and raised $354 billion in fiscal 2006, 14.6 percent of all revenue and 2.7 percent of GDP. The relative importance of the corporate tax as a source of revenue declined sharply between the 1950s and 1980s, but over the past quarter century it has brought in around 2 percent of GDP, with some fluctuations mostly associated with the business cycle.

 

[JimBowie1958]

An oligarchy is a system where power is effectively wielded by a small number of individuals defined by their status called oligarchs. Members of the oligarchy are the rich, the well connected and the politically powerful, as well as particularly well placed individuals in institutions like banking and finance or the military.

For their study, Gilens and Page compiled data from roughly 1,800 different policy initiatives in the years between 1981 and 2002. They then compared those policy changes with the expressed opinion of the United State public. Comparing the preferences of the average American at the 50th percentile of income to what those Americans at the 90th percentile preferred, as well as the opinions of major lobbying or business groups, the researchers found out that the government followed the directives set forth by the latter two much more often.

It's beyond alarming. As Gilens and Page write, "the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." In other words, their statistics say your opinion literally does not matter.

The corporations have divided the working class against itself using neomarxist fascism on the left and social issues to the right to wedge the working class apart and distract us from the looting we are subjected to such as 'Quantitative Easing' and the steady shift of taxation from three individual dollars to every two corporate tax dollars, to it now being 6 to 1 heavy individual taxes paying almost all the governments costs instead of corporations. The law says that corporations are people so why don't they pay taxes at rates like the real people?

We have been hoodwinked and robbed and we keep on letting trolls and liars mislead us and bamboozle us to get robbed even more.

there is no such thing as "neomarxist fascism" those are opposites, one left, one right.

The fascist had support from both the far left and far right in this country. The fascists took eugenics policies and economic theory from leftwing radicals in the US.

Mussolini, who started the fascist movement, came from a communist organization in Milan.

But I don't care so much about the history since the only people supporting the fascism in the Obama Regime are on the left TODAY.

and if you don't like us being an oligarchy, stop supporting rightwing policies that give unlimited access to our political system by the wealthiest.

IT's both extremes, not just the right or just the left.

You are buying into the con.

 

[JimBowie1958]

They do.
They pay their taxes on their original earnings and pay taxes again on the earnings in stocks.
Every single one of us do this it is not just the corporations.
We pay Federal Taxes on our original earnings and then when some of us invest it in the markets and are taxed on the earning on that.
The reason they pay less in stocks is because it is a risk investment.
Look at all of the countries who have lower corporate taxes and businesses as well jobs are doing much better.

Corporate earnings at not taxed at anywhere near the same effective rates as individuals. GE made billions a few years ago and wound up with the feds owing them billions in rebates.

Funny, I don't know any individuals who get back more than they pay in that are not in poverty.

We are being exploited by corporations and our government is entirely owned by them.

Wake up.

You are the one believing the propaganda.
I know business and how it works.

How does the corporate income tax work?

The United States imposes a tax on the profits of U.S. resident corporations at graduated rates ranging from 15 to 35 percent (just like all of the rest of us). Most corporate income is taxed at the maximum rate. Corporate shareholders also pay individual income tax on dividends and on capital gains from sale of their shares. The maximum tax rate on both dividends and capital gains is currently 15 percent, but both are scheduled to revert to pre-2001 levels (ordinary income rates of up to 39.6 percent on dividends, a maximum rate on capital gains of 20 percent) after 2010.

The corporate income tax is the third largest source of federal revenue, after the individual income tax and payroll taxes, and raised $354 billion in fiscal 2006, 14.6 percent of all revenue and 2.7 percent of GDP. The relative importance of the corporate tax as a source of revenue declined sharply between the 1950s and 1980s, but over the past quarter century it has brought in around 2 percent of GDP, with some fluctuations mostly associated with the business cycle.

Some breakdown on how much corporations used to pay vrs what they pay now compared to individuals.

Federal Budget Fiscal Revenue
Years 1952 to 2010

Year....GDP-US.....Pop....IndivTax......CorpTax.....
1952.....358.3....156.552....28.92.......22.06
1953.....379.3....159.232....30.88.......22.05
1954.....380.4....161.958....30.67.......21.87
1955.....414.7....164.731....29.98.......18.60
1956.....437.4....167.551....33.73.......21.77
1957.....461.1....170.420....37.37.......22.15
1958.....467.2....173.337....36.48.......21.09
1959.....506.6....176.305....38.71.......18.31
1960.....526.4....179.323....43.18.......22.67
1961.....544.8....181.588....43.95.......22.22
1962.....585.7....183.881....48.61.......21.83
1963.....617.8....186.204....50.86.......23.08
1964.....663.6....188.555....52.49.......25.19
1965.....719.1....190.937....52.88.......27.39
1966.....787.7....193.348....60.21.......32.11
1967.....832.4....195.790....67.35.......36.20
1968.....909.8....198.263....76.03.......31.18
1969.....984.4....200.766....96.16.......39.86
1970....1038.3....203.302...101.23.......36.57
1971....1126.8....205.515....98.13.......30.21
1972....1237.9....207.752...109.97.......36.58
1973....1382.3....210.013...121.24.......41.58
1974....1499.5....212.299...138.44.......44.64
1975....1637.7....214.609...143.84.......47.26
1976....1824.6....216.945...156.18.......48.68
1977....2030.1....219.307...186.87.......64.07
1978....2293.8....221.694...214.16.......70.69
1979....2562.2....224.107...254.77.......77.81
1980....2788.1....226.546...286.15.......77.92
1981....3126.8....228.670...332.34.......75.28
1982....3253.2....230.815...348.53.......64.24
1983....3534.6....232.979...344.07.......51.28
1984....3930.9....235.164...363.04.......73.94
1985....4217.5....237.369...404.63.......80.49
1986....4460.1....239.595...423.38.......83.09
1987....4736.4....241.842...476.24......106.60
1988....5100.4....244.110...489.53......118.17
1989....5482.1....246.399...543.69......129.29
1990....5800.5....248.710...572.53......117.07
1991....5992.1....251.802...577.17......120.33
1992....6342.3....254.933...591.53......124.14
1993....6667.4....258.103...632.92......143.94
1994....7085.2....261.312...671.86......168.70
1995....7414.7....264.561...728.17......188.41
1996....7838.5....267.850...803.26......203.83
1997....8332.4....271.180...896.54......216.11
1998....8793.5....274.552..1004.22......223.09
1999....9353.5....277.966..1068.79......218.60
2000....9951.5....282.162..1216.12......243.35
2001...10286.2....284.969..1220.69......186.21
2002...10642.3....287.625..1061.18......176.20
2003...11142.2....290.108...992.47......163.58
2004...11853.3....292.805..1024.17......223.09
2005...12623.0....295.517..1169.50......321.54
2006...13377.2....298.380..1312.58......407.00
2007...14028.7....301.231..1453.75......430.87
2008...14291.5....304.094..1450.65......361.58
2009...13973.7....306.772..1186.17......184.51
2010...14498.9....309.350..1158.86......235.30
INCREASE: 4,046%.....98%....4,007%......1066%

Data Sources for 1952:..............................
GDP: See GDP Update Delay..............................
"Federal: Bicentennial Edition: Historical Statistics of the US, Colonial Times to 1970"..............................
"State and Local: Bicentennial Edition: Historical Statistics of the US, Colonial Times to 1970"..............................
Data Sources for 2010:..............................
GDP: See GDP Update Delay..............................
"Federal: Fed. Budget: Hist. Tables 2.1, 2.4, 2.5, 7.1"..............................

From a 14:11 ratio of individual taxes to corporate taxes, to a 4:1 ratio today.

The corporations have been buying Congress and the Presidency while you h ave been buying their propaganda in the corporate owned media.

 

[elektra]

Corporations only exist as dictated by the Rules and Regulations and Laws that the Government has created.

Lawyers/Politicians created Corporations.

further, last I checked, everyone in corporation pays taxes, hence all money made by a Corporation is being taxed twice. The Corporation is taxed, gives what left to the employees, who then get taxed again.

Money taxed twice, all because of the rules and regulations the lawyers and politicians think up.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Even the New Yahk Times gets it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...ass-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?_r=0

The American middle class, long the most affluent in the world, has lost that distinction.

While the wealthiest Americans are outpacing many of their global peers, a New York Times analysis shows that across the lower- and middle-income tiers, citizens of other advanced countries have received considerably larger raises over the last three decades.

After-tax middle-class incomes in Canada — substantially behind in 2000 — now appear to be higher than in the United States. The poor in much of Europe earn more than poor Americans.

The numbers, based on surveys conducted over the past 35 years, offer some of the most detailed publicly available comparisons for different income groups in different countries over time. They suggest that most American families are paying a steep price for high and rising income inequality.

Losing the Lead: This simple table summarizes our story on American living standards.APRIL 22, 2014

Although economic growth in the United States continues to be as strong as in many other countries, or stronger, a small percentage of American households is fully benefiting from it. Median income in Canada pulled into a tie with median United States income in 2010 and has most likely surpassed it since then. Median incomes in Western European countries still trail those in the United States, but the gap in several — including Britain, the Netherlands and Sweden — is much smaller than it was a decade ago.

In European countries hit hardest by recent financial crises, such as Greece and Portugal, incomes have of course fallen sharply in recent years.

The income data were compiled by LIS, a group that maintains the Luxembourg Income Study Database. The numbers were analyzed by researchers at LIS and by The Upshot, a New York Times website covering policy and politics, and reviewed by outside academic economists.

The struggles of the poor in the United States are even starker than those of the middle class. A family at the 20th percentile of the income distribution in this country makes significantly less money than a similar family in Canada, Sweden, Norway, Finland or the Netherlands. Thirty-five years ago, the reverse was true.

 

[SAYIT]

Corporations only exist as dictated by the Rules and Regulations and Laws that the Government has created.

Lawyers/Politicians created Corporations.

further, last I checked, everyone in corporation pays taxes, hence all money made by a Corporation is being taxed twice. The Corporation is taxed, gives what left to the employees, who then get taxed again.

Money taxed twice, all because of the rules and regulations the lawyers and politicians think up.

Close.
What the employees get is part of the cost of doing biz. What is left, after C.O.G.S and taxes is profit which is distributed to owners/shareholders who are indeed taxed again on the distributions/dividends.
Peeps like Bowie are into selling their class war and are not above using mis and dis-info to do so.

 

[elektra]

Corporations only exist as dictated by the Rules and Regulations and Laws that the Government has created.

Lawyers/Politicians created Corporations.

further, last I checked, everyone in corporation pays taxes, hence all money made by a Corporation is being taxed twice. The Corporation is taxed, gives what left to the employees, who then get taxed again.

Money taxed twice, all because of the rules and regulations the lawyers and politicians think up.

Close.
What the employees get is part of the cost of doing biz. What is left, after C.O.G.S and taxes is profit which is distributed to owners/shareholders who are indeed taxed again on the distributions/dividends.
Peeps like Bowie are into selling their class war and are not above using mis and dis-info to do so.

sure, the cost of doing biz, but the biggest cost of doing biz is the Government period, we are just touching on taxes, what about mandatory workmen's comp? Is that like 5% of every dollar, 10% in some industries? Most corporations carry expensive insurance, another percentage?

The biggest cost in our life is Government, one area, just the time devoted to H&R block and taxes in general, how many work hours are devoted every year reporting earnings to the government.

The burden of our over-grown government has lost at least two generation's dreams, maybe more. Our father's wish that their children would do better than themselves, and our wish to profit from our labor as our fathers.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Corporations only exist as dictated by the Rules and Regulations and Laws that the Government has created.

Lawyers/Politicians created Corporations.

further, last I checked, everyone in corporation pays taxes, hence all money made by a Corporation is being taxed twice. The Corporation is taxed, gives what left to the employees, who then get taxed again.

Money taxed twice, all because of the rules and regulations the lawyers and politicians think up.

Close.
What the employees get is part of the cost of doing biz. What is left, after C.O.G.S and taxes is profit which is distributed to owners/shareholders who are indeed taxed again on the distributions/dividends.
Peeps like Bowie are into selling their class war and are not above using mis and dis-info to do so.

I posted the tax receipts for the federal government from 1950 to 2013 right here, jack ass. Study Shows USA is an Oligarchy, not Democratic - Page 4 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

If you cant see the change then you are a fool.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Corporations only exist as dictated by the Rules and Regulations and Laws that the Government has created.

Lawyers/Politicians created Corporations.

further, last I checked, everyone in corporation pays taxes, hence all money made by a Corporation is being taxed twice. The Corporation is taxed, gives what left to the employees, who then get taxed again.

Money taxed twice, all because of the rules and regulations the lawyers and politicians think up.

Close.
What the employees get is part of the cost of doing biz. What is left, after C.O.G.S and taxes is profit which is distributed to owners/shareholders who are indeed taxed again on the distributions/dividends.
Peeps like Bowie are into selling their class war and are not above using mis and dis-info to do so.

sure, the cost of doing biz, but the biggest cost of doing biz is the Government period, we are just touching on taxes, what about mandatory workmen's comp? Is that like 5% of every dollar, 10% in some industries? Most corporations carry expensive insurance, another percentage?

The biggest cost in our life is Government, one area, just the time devoted to H&R block and taxes in general, how many work hours are devoted every year reporting earnings to the government.

The burden of our over-grown government has lost at least two generation's dreams, maybe more. Our father's wish that their children would do better than themselves, and our wish to profit from our labor as our fathers.

Yeah, the critical fail in our culture is when the children of the Great Generation decided it would be easier to sell out to the corporations and betray their fellow Americans rather than stand and fight the good fight.

People like SAYIT sell the rest of us out for nothing more than an extra slice of potato.

 

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The corporations have divided the working class against itself using neomarxist fascism on the left and social issues to the right to wedge the working class apart and distract us from the looting we are subjected to such as 'Quantitative Easing' and the steady shift of taxation from three individual dollars to every two corporate tax dollars, to it now being 6 to 1 heavy individual taxes paying almost all the governments costs instead of corporations. The law says that corporations are people so why don't they pay taxes at rates like the real people?
We have been hoodwinked and robbed and we keep on letting trolls and liars mislead us and bamboozle us to get robbed even more.

They do.
They pay their taxes on their original earnings and pay taxes again on the earnings in stocks.
Every single one of us do this it is not just the corporations.
We pay Federal Taxes on our original earnings and then when some of us invest it in the markets and are taxed on the earning on that.
The reason they pay less in stocks is because it is a risk investment.
Look at all of the countries who have lower corporate taxes and businesses as well jobs are doing much better.

Corporate earnings at not taxed at anywhere near the same effective rates as individuals. GE made billions a few years ago and wound up with the feds owing them billions in rebates.

Funny, I don't know any individuals who get back more than they pay in that are not in poverty.

We are being exploited by corporations and our government is entirely owned by them.

Wake up.

Who are you & what have you done w/ JimCrowie1958?!!!

Seriously though, I would only add to that that corps don't pay the full rate either. They end up paying < that after all is said and done no thanks to their army of lobbyists & high-priced accountants.

Yes, we are an oligarchy. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

Large companies find ways to a zero tax rate

The news comes months after after the Government Accountability Office released a report showing that companies in 2010 reported an average effective tax rate of 12.6%, well below the 35% federal corporate tax rate.

 

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Corporate earnings at not taxed at anywhere near the same effective rates as individuals. GE made billions a few years ago and wound up with the feds owing them billions in rebates.

Funny, I don't know any individuals who get back more than they pay in that are not in poverty.

We are being exploited by corporations and our government is entirely owned by them.

Wake up.

You are the one believing the propaganda.
I know business and how it works.

How does the corporate income tax work?

The United States imposes a tax on the profits of U.S. resident corporations at graduated rates ranging from 15 to 35 percent (just like all of the rest of us). Most corporate income is taxed at the maximum rate. Corporate shareholders also pay individual income tax on dividends and on capital gains from sale of their shares. The maximum tax rate on both dividends and capital gains is currently 15 percent, but both are scheduled to revert to pre-2001 levels (ordinary income rates of up to 39.6 percent on dividends, a maximum rate on capital gains of 20 percent) after 2010.

The corporate income tax is the third largest source of federal revenue, after the individual income tax and payroll taxes, and raised $354 billion in fiscal 2006, 14.6 percent of all revenue and 2.7 percent of GDP. The relative importance of the corporate tax as a source of revenue declined sharply between the 1950s and 1980s, but over the past quarter century it has brought in around 2 percent of GDP, with some fluctuations mostly associated with the business cycle.

Some breakdown on how much corporations used to pay vrs what they pay now compared to individuals.

Federal Budget Fiscal Revenue
Years 1952 to 2010

Year....GDP-US.....Pop....IndivTax......CorpTax.....
1952.....358.3....156.552....28.92.......22.06
1953.....379.3....159.232....30.88.......22.05
1954.....380.4....161.958....30.67.......21.87
1955.....414.7....164.731....29.98.......18.60
1956.....437.4....167.551....33.73.......21.77
1957.....461.1....170.420....37.37.......22.15
1958.....467.2....173.337....36.48.......21.09
1959.....506.6....176.305....38.71.......18.31
1960.....526.4....179.323....43.18.......22.67
1961.....544.8....181.588....43.95.......22.22
1962.....585.7....183.881....48.61.......21.83
1963.....617.8....186.204....50.86.......23.08
1964.....663.6....188.555....52.49.......25.19
1965.....719.1....190.937....52.88.......27.39
1966.....787.7....193.348....60.21.......32.11
1967.....832.4....195.790....67.35.......36.20
1968.....909.8....198.263....76.03.......31.18
1969.....984.4....200.766....96.16.......39.86
1970....1038.3....203.302...101.23.......36.57
1971....1126.8....205.515....98.13.......30.21
1972....1237.9....207.752...109.97.......36.58
1973....1382.3....210.013...121.24.......41.58
1974....1499.5....212.299...138.44.......44.64
1975....1637.7....214.609...143.84.......47.26
1976....1824.6....216.945...156.18.......48.68
1977....2030.1....219.307...186.87.......64.07
1978....2293.8....221.694...214.16.......70.69
1979....2562.2....224.107...254.77.......77.81
1980....2788.1....226.546...286.15.......77.92
1981....3126.8....228.670...332.34.......75.28
1982....3253.2....230.815...348.53.......64.24
1983....3534.6....232.979...344.07.......51.28
1984....3930.9....235.164...363.04.......73.94
1985....4217.5....237.369...404.63.......80.49
1986....4460.1....239.595...423.38.......83.09
1987....4736.4....241.842...476.24......106.60
1988....5100.4....244.110...489.53......118.17
1989....5482.1....246.399...543.69......129.29
1990....5800.5....248.710...572.53......117.07
1991....5992.1....251.802...577.17......120.33
1992....6342.3....254.933...591.53......124.14
1993....6667.4....258.103...632.92......143.94
1994....7085.2....261.312...671.86......168.70
1995....7414.7....264.561...728.17......188.41
1996....7838.5....267.850...803.26......203.83
1997....8332.4....271.180...896.54......216.11
1998....8793.5....274.552..1004.22......223.09
1999....9353.5....277.966..1068.79......218.60
2000....9951.5....282.162..1216.12......243.35
2001...10286.2....284.969..1220.69......186.21
2002...10642.3....287.625..1061.18......176.20
2003...11142.2....290.108...992.47......163.58
2004...11853.3....292.805..1024.17......223.09
2005...12623.0....295.517..1169.50......321.54
2006...13377.2....298.380..1312.58......407.00
2007...14028.7....301.231..1453.75......430.87
2008...14291.5....304.094..1450.65......361.58
2009...13973.7....306.772..1186.17......184.51
2010...14498.9....309.350..1158.86......235.30
INCREASE: 4,046%.....98%....4,007%......1066%

Data Sources for 1952:..............................
GDP: See GDP Update Delay..............................
"Federal: Bicentennial Edition: Historical Statistics of the US, Colonial Times to 1970"..............................
"State and Local: Bicentennial Edition: Historical Statistics of the US, Colonial Times to 1970"..............................
Data Sources for 2010:..............................
GDP: See GDP Update Delay..............................
"Federal: Fed. Budget: Hist. Tables 2.1, 2.4, 2.5, 7.1"..............................

From a 14:11 ratio of individual taxes to corporate taxes, to a 4:1 ratio today.

The corporations have been buying Congress and the Presidency while you h ave been buying their propaganda in the corporate owned media.

I wasn't aware of the Tax Policy Center being media.
What channel ?

 

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theres a published tax rate then theres what they REALLY pay or manage to weasel out of given the tax code is intentionally riddeled w/ loopholes inserted by & for those who can afford to send lobbyists to capitol hill corps