Stormy Daniels cleared Trump from crimes

[j-mac]

If you have heard about the payments to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels, you really have no business posting in this thread.

McDougal was paid by Pecker. So, now explain to me how the payment to Daniels was illegal…Be sure and lay it out with the testimony given in this trial…You can’t…

Now, the prosecution has rested their case, with nothing but inference for a jury to find beyond a reasonable doubt? Nah brah…they didn’t make a case, and Trump’s team should ask for directed verdict of not guilty based on lack of evidence.

This has to have been the biggest waste of time and NY taxpayer money in history. Only a clown would say otherwise…

The Judge is outed as a corrupt jurist, Bragg is a laughing stock among the NY bar, and the DoJ is outed even more for sending their #3 down to argue a sham case to interfere with this election.

 

[Robert W]

If you have heard about the payments to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels, you really have no business posting in this thread.

We should be discussing two women and their extortion plots.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So, now explain to me how the payment to Daniels was illegal…Be sure and lay it out with the testimony given in this trial…You can’t…

Individual campaign contributions are limited by federal law for non-candidates to (at the time) $2,700 per election. Cohen made an in-kind contribution to the campaign of $130,000.

That resulted in criminal campaign finance fraud charges and his conviction for which he went to prison.

Glad to help.

WW

 

[Lesh]

Is the Jury perfect?

I’ll abide by their decision. Will you?

 

[Rawley]

Individual campaign contributions are limited by federal law for non-candidates to (at the time) $2,700 per election. Cohen made an in-kind contribution to the campaign of $130,000.

That resulted in criminal campaign finance fraud charges and his conviction for which he went to prison.

Glad to help.

WW

Cohen is not on trial

 

[WorldWatcher]

Cohen is not on trial

Correct.

Trump is.

For trying to hide Cohen’s crime.

WW

 

[j-mac]

Individual campaign contributions are limited by federal law for non-candidates to (at the time) $2,700 per election. Cohen made an in-kind contribution to the campaign of $130,000.

That resulted in criminal campaign finance fraud charges and his conviction for which he went to prison.

Glad to help.

WW

Ok, So wheres the proof that it came from campaign funds…

If it’s so cut, and clear, then why didn’t Justice, or the FEC take it up?

 

[Rawley]

Correct.

Trump is.

For trying to hide Cohen’s crime.

WW

Really? Did Cohen testify that he told his client that paying the whore was a crime?

 

[Lesh]

Ok, So wheres the proof that it came from campaign funds…

If it’s so cut, and clear, then why didn’t Justice, or the FEC take it up?

No one claimed it did and that’s not the issue

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What a hilariously stupid and desperate thread.

Daniels's and Cohen's testimony sank Trump.

 

[Rawley]

No one claimed it did and that’s not the issue

Great, someone who knows what "the issue" is. Care to share, 'cause the rest of us are still in the dark as to what the crimes are here. And the prosecution is on the verge of resting their case.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Ok, So wheres the proof that it came from campaign funds…

I'm going to assume that this is an honest question and will answer in the same manner. Let me know if it's not. Everything I'm about to relate is verifiable with court documents (not media) and testimony.

#1 You use the term "campaign funds". That means donations made to the Campaign Committee to Elect Donald Trump. No one has claimed that "campaign funds" were drawn from a campiagn account to pay Daniels. Not a factor. The monies involved came from Cohen (for his part) and routed by FPOTUS#45 through the Trump Organization (a business entity, for his part).

#2 After the Buche Tape came out in October 2016, David Pecker (AMI, Inc.) had paid the door man and McDougal for their stories and not been paid back by FPOTUS#45. He backed out of paying for the Daniels story just days before the election.

#3 Michael Cohen took out a HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit) against his home and setup a shell company depositing the money there. That money was then transferred to Daniels to pay for the NDA.

#4 Cohen then arranged with FPOTUS#45 and the Trump Organization to reimburse the $130,000 via payments of $35,000 per month for 12 months with the Trump Organization "Taxing Up" the income taxes Cohen would have to pay, plus a bonus, plus a small amount (about $50K) for reimbursement for other polling work.

These notes were submitted into evidence showing the payment schedule for the $420,000.

If it’s so cut, and clear, then why didn’t Justice, or the FEC take it up?

#1 The DOJ and FEC cannot charge under state law, this is a New York State business law criminal case. The DOJ and FEC have no jurisdiction to prosecute.

#2 The DOJ did get involved, they charged Cohen who was convicted of felonious campaign violations.

#3 The professional investigators working for the FEC * * DID * * recommend further investigation and action. However the GOP members of the leadership commission blocked further investigation. Basically the GOP member of the FEC voted for their own version of "catch and kill".

https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/7784/7784_43.pdf

 

[WorldWatcher]

Really? Did Cohen testify that he told his client that paying the whore was a crime?

Don't know, irrelevant, and (IIRC) it wasn't asked by the prosecution. Whether defense will attempt to bring it up on cross? Unknown, cross isn't over with yet.

However, ignnoantia juris non excusatI (ignorance of the law is no excuse).

If FPOTUS#45 was going to use an "advice of counsel" defense, then that motion would have had to have been made before trial began as that would have been a question of law (for the Judge) and not a question of fact (for the jury).

WW

 

[Robert W]

It matters not if you don't take his word. The jury heard Trump's own voice, scheming with Cohen how to make the payment.

Main article: New York investigations of The Trump Organization
The Manhattan district attorney (DA) and the New York AG opened investigations into Trump. The Manhattan DA's office decided in 2022 not to pursue charges, in part because the new DA, Alvin Bragg, worried that the case relied too much on Cohen's testimony.[220] Investigators at the Manhattan DA's office continued to speak to Cohen, interviewing him 15 times by February 2023.[221]

These were separate from the investigation by the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance which, on August 22, 2018, announced it had subpoenaed Cohen in connection with its investigation into whether the Donald J. Trump Foundation had violated New York tax laws.[222] The department also said in October 2018 it would review allegations that Trump had evaded gift taxes in his inheritance of hundreds of millions of dollars from his father.[223]

 

[Robert W]

#3 Michael Cohen took out a HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit) against his home and setup a shell company depositing the money there. That money was then transferred to Daniels to pay for the NDA.

Cohen easily had his own economics based on her coming forth. Cohen stood to lose. Home Equity lines of credits are protected loans. Cohen decided he would pay Daniels since he was contacted to pay her extortion funds. I see legal claims clearly against her.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Cohen easily had his own economics based on her coming forth. Cohen stood to lose. Home Equity lines of credits are protected loans. Cohen decided he would pay Daniels since he was contacted to pay her extortion funds.

Cohen out of the goodness of his heart took a $130K HELOC out against his house (not telling his wife) to pay a porn star for his boss who in just days would have an election day for office?

Ya, that's believable.

I see legal claims clearly against her.

Cook go for it. But for what?

Extortion? Nope she didn't go to the campiagn or Trump and ask for money. She went to the media to shop her story?

Violation of the NDA? Again nope, Trump released her from the NDA (IIRC) in 2018 and did not require repayment. She's now free to talk about it.

WW

 

[Lesh]

Cohen easily had his own economics based on her coming forth

What does that even mean

 

[Rawley]

Don't know, irrelevant, and (IIRC) it wasn't asked by the prosecution.

Really? So what did you mean when you said Trump is on trial "For trying to hide Cohen’s crime."

Whether defense will attempt to bring it up on cross? Unknown, cross isn't over with yet.

However, ignnoantia juris non excusatI (ignorance of the law is no excuse).

If FPOTUS#45 was going to use an "advice of counsel" defense, then that motion would have had to have been made before trial began as that would have been a question of law (for the Judge) and not a question of fact (for the jury).

WW

Who said anything about an "advice of counsel" defense?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Who said anything about an "advice of counsel" defense?

You went down that road: "Did Cohen testify that he told his client that paying the whore was a crime?"

WW

 

[Rawley]

You went down that road: "Did Cohen testify that he told his client that paying the whore was a crime?"

Nope. I was asking you what you meant when you claimed Trump was on trial "For trying to hide Cohen’s crime."