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there are rules in ever system to stop abuse,,Mkay - and how do you answer the questions in the OP? Do you think restrictions should be imposed so people don't abuse the system?
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there are rules in ever system to stop abuse,,Mkay - and how do you answer the questions in the OP? Do you think restrictions should be imposed so people don't abuse the system?
Ahh... yes. Statists love "creating incentives". Especially incentives where they take your money by force, and only give it back if you do as you're told.
Agreed. I'm not saying that. Never have.
they are already imposed on medicare. Fraud an abuse detection and handling is part of medicare administration, and is far less cost than the administration overhead of private insurance.Mkay - and how do you answer the questions in the OP? Do you think restrictions should be imposed so people don't abuse the system?
Well....And you don't think that will be used in the same fashion? I mean, let's say we go to war with China and Congress reinstates the draft. Will draft-dodgers get their UBI? Or will it be withheld until they join up?
milton had a lot of caveats for having a UBI,,
thay have already invaded,, both economically and directly with their paying government people and their families,,Well....
1. Why are we going to war with China? (this is a huge topic with lots of factors)
2. Why should we be forced to fight a war started by the establishment unless China is actually invading? If there's an invasion, you won't even need a draft. Every rifle in the country would be shooting at the invaders. Like the Japanese Admiral Yamamoto (allegedly) said, you cannot attack mainland U.S. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass.
Beats me. That's irrelevant to my point.Well....
1. Why are we going to war with China? (this is a huge topic with lots of factors)
No good reason. Also irrelevant. We were talking about UBI and how government "benefits" are used to control people.2. Why should we be forced to fight a war started by the establishment unless China is actually invading?
True that:thay have already invaded,, both economically and directly with their paying government people and their families,,
not all invasions are military,,
Your point is well taken. They give us table scraps after making life miserable and with said table scraps comes strings attached.Beats me. That's irrelevant to my point.
No good reason. Also irrelevant. We were talking about UBI and how government "benefits" are used to control people.
True, but in order to wield the kind of power they are used to wielding, they must disarm 100 million unwilling.thay have already invaded,, both economically and directly with their paying government people and their families,,
not all invasions are military,,
true,, one might say by destroying our manufacturing infrastructure they are doing that,, time is on their side,,True, but in order to wield the kind of power they are used to wielding, they must disarm 100 million unwilling.
What do you think about that, dblack? How do we stop the destruction?true,, one might say by destroying our manufacturing infrastructure they are doing that,, time is on their side,,
How do we stop what exactly? Government has no responsibility to maintain our manufacturing infrastructure. We're not fully socialist just yet.What do you think about that, dblack? How do we stop the destruction?
they have a responsibility to stop foreign countries from taking it over,,How do we stop what exactly? Government has no responsibility to maintain our manufacturing infrastructure. We're not fully socialist just yet.
In another thread, statists are proposing that we crack down on welfare recipients, and do more to make sure they spend the money as we'd like. The rationale being, more or less, "why should I pay for their bad habits?".
With momentum growing for making health care a government responsibility, that argument has some "interesting" implications. If healthcare is financed with "your" tax dollars, why should you pay for someone else's poor health habits? Should there be restrictions on the diet and health habits of people who use the system?
Why should you have to pay for all the healthcare problems caused by overeating and gluttony?
Why should you have to pay for the healthcare of people who engage in risky sports?
Why should you have to pay for treatment of sexually transmitted diseases?
Why should you have to pay for all the health problems associated with drug and alcohol abuse?
More importantly, how should we deal with people who try to abuse the health care system in this way?
thats a voluntary system that doesnt involve the government,,Seriously, that is such a silly question.
Everyone is paying for everyone else's health care and bad habits now.
We have been all along.
If you have insurance, you are paying for someone else's health care and their bad habits.
That question and statement is as old as the hills. It's also one of the tools that is used to deny health care to Americans.
Should I have the right to deny someone health care because I don't do or eat the same things they do?
Of course not.
If you have medicare or pay into medicare, you're paying for someone else's bad habits.
So if you really don't want to pay for someone else's bad habits, stop paying for that insurance you have, stop paying those medicare payments and start paying for all your own health care needs out of your own pocket.
Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, I am a single payer person and I know this nation needs single payer heath care.
Does that mean it's too hard for you to answer?Seriously, that is such a silly question.
my answer is the government has no business in anyones medical care,,Does that mean it's too hard for you to answer?
Do you think the state should impose restrictions so that people don't abuse the health care system with their bad health habits?
thats a voluntary system that doesnt involve the government,,