Stand with Israel

[LiberalMedia]

In general terms, do you or don't you stand with Israel? Why or why not?

For clarification, I don't want to see "hurr i like isrull cuz jesus" or "durr i h8 j00z". Describe in detail exactly why you do or do not like Israel. While the recent conflict with Gaza may play into your answers, this thread is not strictly about whether or not you support Israel's actions in that specific affair.

 

[nodoginnafight]

too many rules


I stand with Israel. Probably mostly because we in the U.S. (and me personally) have more touch points (politically, culturally, and philosophically,) with Israel than we do with their enemies.

 

[bendog]

I generally eschew states with state religions. It's sort of un-American. not that I'd dispute that Hamas is a terror organization first and foremost, and political party secondarily.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I generally eschew states with state religions. It's sort of un-American. not that I'd dispute that Hamas is a terror organization first and foremost, and political party secondarily.

Is there such a thing as a successful Arab democracy? I'm not trying to be cute, I really don't know. I think we share more of a political kinship with Israel, but I'd like to hear more about Arab democracies.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I am TIRED of the religious wars. I just don't get any of the lunacy that occurs over there in the sand. I suppose I support Israel and their right to live free of fear. Ultimately I'm just sick of hearing about all the problems over there.

 

[Rocko]

I generally eschew states with state religions. It's sort of un-American. not that I'd dispute that Hamas is a terror organization first and foremost, and political party secondarily.

You seem to be implying that Israel is some sort of theocracy, which it isn't.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I'm also very tired of the commercials begging for money for Israel. I give to poor Americans.

 

[BlindBoo]

I'll stand against violence carried out by extremist on both sides.

 

[LiberalMedia]

I generally eschew states with state religions. It's sort of un-American.

Are you saying that you dislike Israel because they're not American?

I'll stand against violence carried out by extremist on both sides.

So you neither support nor oppose Israel?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I support Israel.

Israel is democratic; tolerates, allows, and respects other religions than its own Judaism; wants peace; is modern and pro-knowledge like science and high-tech; welcomes immigrants; and has the most personal liberty and freedom of any country on the planet.

By comparison, Israel's opposition seems to want to squash all dissenting opinions, religions, lifestyles, and world-views preserving just one monolithic narrative even to the extent of murdering opposition.

 

[bendog]

I generally eschew states with state religions. It's sort of un-American. not that I'd dispute that Hamas is a terror organization first and foremost, and political party secondarily.

Is there such a thing as a successful Arab democracy? I'm not trying to be cute, I really don't know. I think we share more of a political kinship with Israel, but I'd like to hear more about Arab democracies.

I think Turkey's fairly successful. Nato membership. Although Turkey has evolved from the Ottomans and Byzantiem. So, whether it's comparable to .... the Saudis ... I dunno.

Sadly, I'd say the former Baath states of Iraq and Syria posed the best options, that's all-ah-mucky.

The one place we haven't been allowed to meddle is Iran, and they may actually be the most successful. Of course, it's a theocracy that allows nominal representative democracy. Jordan is evolving, but there again the Jewish state has led to problems with popular representation.

However, I don't think you can argue Israel is anymore accepting of Intl Law than anyone else in the region. I think we'd agree that Putin is democratically elected, though in a flawed election, but arguing we have anything in common with that govt would be distasteful, imo.

 

[GHook93]

In general terms, do you or don't you stand with Israel? Why or why not?

For clarification, I don't want to see "hurr i like isrull cuz jesus" or "durr i h8 j00z". Describe in detail exactly why you do or do not like Israel. While the recent conflict with Gaza may play into your answers, this thread is not strictly about whether or not you support Israel's actions in that specific affair.

Why not start a poll then! Jeeezuuss you aren't that bright!

 

[bendog]

I generally eschew states with state religions. It's sort of un-American.

Are you saying that you dislike Israel because they're not American?

I'll stand against violence carried out by extremist on both sides.

So you neither support nor oppose Israel?

I'm saying I don't see much in common between America and a State with a state religion. I assume the UK still has in name a state religion, but it's in name only and one need not be of a particular religion to purchase land there. There are also nations that have been, more or less, single political party players. But even then, like Japan, the door was open to a democratic change.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I support Israel.

By comparison, Israel's opposition seems to want to squash all dissenting opinions, religions, lifestyles, and world-views preserving just one monolithic narrative even to the extent of murdering opposition.

You are a stupid **** and a disgrace. You say support Israel and they slander her with you uneducated ANTISEMITISM (yep some of the worse antisemites are uneducated leftist Jews).

They don't squash dissenting opinion. In fact, they have members of Parliament that are Arabs that actively state their goal is to destroy Israel (Zobia). They have free press, free religion, free exercise of expression and all are protected under the law. Islam is just as protected in Islam as Judaism. They don't squash different lifestyle, the only place in the middle east they have gay pride parades is in Israel. You could feel at home there. Orthodox Jews have strict dress code, yet the only place in the middle east that doesn't have modesty police is Israel. Women are free, and god bless them, to dress as slutty ad they want.

Get your fags straight you brain-dead douche bag!

Likud's 'leftist?' I'll mention that at the next meeting. That'll give us all a good laugh.

 

[irosie91]

I generally eschew states with state religions. It's sort of un-American.

Are you saying that you dislike Israel because they're not American?

I'll stand against violence carried out by extremist on both sides.

So you neither support nor oppose Israel?

I'm saying I don't see much in common between America and a State with a state religion. I assume the UK still has in name a state religion, but it's in name only and one need not be of a particular religion to purchase land there. There are also nations that have been, more or less, single political party players. But even then, like Japan, the door was open to a democratic change.

non jews can purchase land in Israel. HOWEVER there is a glitch----Much of the land was purchased
before Israel became a country (1948) and placed by those who purchased it ---in a
LAND TRUST ---the people who run the land trust get to decide who can buy it---(actually
lease it----jews do not actually BUY it---they lease it) There is also "church owned
land" in Israel and the respective churches get to decide who gets to use it. Before you
make statements----try to check your facts. Did you know that in ISLAMIC LAW----
non muslims cannot own land ? Do you know from where that law was derived-----
try to guess. If you do not like countries "like that"---there are lots of countries you
will end up not liking. Israel is a refuge from lands JUST LIKE THAT. My husband was born
in a land in which his community of jews had resided for 1000 years before
muhummad was born. His community members could not own land in that country
once it was invaded by Arabians----his father was able to purchase land (well 1/4
of a dunum) only after getting to Palestine circa 1940. In order to understand what is
going on in the Middle east-----you have to know lots of its miserable history and the family
legacies of the people who live there. Their family legacies create for THEM a whole
other universe

 

[BlindBoo]

I generally eschew states with state religions. It's sort of un-American.

Are you saying that you dislike Israel because they're not American?

I'll stand against violence carried out by extremist on both sides.

So you neither support nor oppose Israel?

That would be the case if there were no violent Israeli extremist.

 

[Beelzebub]

Those who stand with Israel are of the same nature as those who idolised Hitler in the 1930's & 1940's.

That is why I would not do it if my life depended on it.

But so so many are "good Germans" convincing themselves they don't see the atrocities and extermination.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I support Israel.

Israel is democratic; tolerates, allows, and respects other religions than its own Judaism; wants peace; is modern and pro-knowledge like science and high-tech; welcomes immigrants; and has the most personal liberty and freedom of any country on the planet.

By comparison, Israel's opposition seems to want to squash all dissenting opinions, religions, lifestyles, and world-views preserving just one monolithic narrative even to the extent of murdering opposition.

"on the planet" or "in the Middle East"?

I support Israel because my dad's whole family was wiped out in the Holocaust, and Jews need one place on Earth that they can truly call their own.

 

[Coyote]

I don't stand "with Israel". I don't stand with anyone.

No one is right 100% of the time or wrong 100% of the time and by proclaiming you "stand with them" then you are also accepting and condoning what is wrong - or at best, turning a blind eye. Forcing a "you're either with us or against us" polarization is misguided.

There are no angels in this conflict.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I support Israel.

Israel is democratic; tolerates, allows, and respects other religions than its own Judaism; wants peace; is modern and pro-knowledge like science and high-tech; welcomes immigrants; and has the most personal liberty and freedom of any country on the planet.

By comparison, Israel's opposition seems to want to squash all dissenting opinions, religions, lifestyles, and world-views preserving just one monolithic narrative even to the extent of murdering opposition.

"on the planet" or "in the Middle East"?

I support Israel because my dad's whole family was wiped out in the Holocaust, and Jews need one place on Earth that they can truly call their own.

Was thinking "among the most" guess my fingers disregarded my brain again.