Spitting on Dr Kings legacy

[rightwinger]

Can anyone tell me how much MLK's offspring "charged" the government to use his likeness in the statue they were dedicating this weekend?

After that, tell me how much other prominent political figures offspring charge the government to use their fore-fathers images?

KING 'MONUMENT TO GREED' - NYPOST.com

WASHINGTON -- The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s family has charged the foundation building a monument to the civil-rights leader on the National Mall about $800,000 to use his words and image -- and at least one scholar thinks that Dr. King would find such an arrangement offensive.

The memorial is being paid for almost entirely through a fund-raising campaign led by the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial Project Foundation.

"I don't think the Jefferson family, the Lincoln family [or] any other group of family ancestors has been paid a licensing fee for a memorial in Washington," said Cambridge University historian David Garrow, author of a Pulitzer Prize-winning biography of Dr. King. ". . . [He would've been] absolutely scandalized."

Financial documents revealed that the foundation paid $761,160 in 2007 to Intellectual Properties Management Inc., an entity run by the King family. They also showed that a $71,700 "management" fee was paid to the family estate in 2003.

Something just feels... wrong... with this.

MLK's family are CAPITALISTS. That's gonna blow some minds.

That's good to hear since most conservatives called Dr King a Communist

 

[Immanuel]

I have read the first two pages of this thread.

Does anyone have an actual quote of what David Barton said or is this only coming off the fingertips of some blog writer with a grudge?

Immie

Hit pieces don't work like that. You don't provide any source documentation. You provide as few facts as possible, and you insinuate as much as possible.

Nothing in the article mentions how many people are attending the event, what a person had to do in order to be considered a co-host, or even what the actual purpose of the event is. It insinuates fund raising but if you're a partisan **** that means the guy is going to be working intimately with Perry to develop his campaign strategy and policy goals.

What proof do you have that the blog writer has a grudge? And no, gut feelings dont count

Oh, you think she wrote this piece because she was open-minded and fair yet she provided no proof in this particular article except for an insinuation that Barton doesn't believe MLK Jr. deserves any credit for the Civil Rights Movement.

I have to tell you that I don't think MLK Jr. deserves sole credit for the movement either. There were many others, both black and white (probably even red and yellow as well) who risked their lives for equality in this nation. MLK Jr. clearly deserves some of the credit, but not all of it. Thank God for MLK Jr. AND those who fought and died alongside him. I wish I were going to be in Washington DC this weekend. I would love to be there at the dedication of this memorial and walk in the steps of men like MLK Jr. at the dedication.

Immie

 

[ClosedCaption]

Hit pieces don't work like that. You don't provide any source documentation. You provide as few facts as possible, and you insinuate as much as possible.

Nothing in the article mentions how many people are attending the event, what a person had to do in order to be considered a co-host, or even what the actual purpose of the event is. It insinuates fund raising but if you're a partisan **** that means the guy is going to be working intimately with Perry to develop his campaign strategy and policy goals.

What proof do you have that the blog writer has a grudge? And no, gut feelings dont count

I didn't say he had a grudge, but since you quote me I'll respond. The OP provided abundant proof here.

My bad I was talking to Immie but since you responded, that is a link to the article not a link to any proof of a grudge.

 

[McDowell's]

What proof do you have that the blog writer has a grudge? And no, gut feelings dont count

I didn't say he had a grudge, but since you quote me I'll respond. The OP provided abundant proof here.

My bad I was talking to Immie but since you responded, that is a link to the article not a link to any proof of a grudge.

A link to that moronic article is proof in this instance.

 

[Immanuel]

What proof do you have that the blog writer has a grudge? And no, gut feelings dont count

I didn't say he had a grudge, but since you quote me I'll respond. The OP provided abundant proof here.

My bad I was talking to Immie but since you responded, that is a link to the article not a link to any proof of a grudge.

Um, the article is a grudge piece.

She surely didn't show any love to Perry or Barton. She seems to want to spread her propaganda of hate to bring down Perry by insinuating that he agrees with Barton, but she doesn't even have to courage to identify what Barton actually said.

Would you have preferred I called it a smear campaign? That too fits.

Immie

 

[ClosedCaption]

I didn't say he had a grudge, but since you quote me I'll respond. The OP provided abundant proof here.

My bad I was talking to Immie but since you responded, that is a link to the article not a link to any proof of a grudge.

A link to that moronic article is proof in this instance.

You know that line of logic dont fly

 

[Webrunner]

KING 'MONUMENT TO GREED' - NYPOST.com

Something just feels... wrong... with this.

MLK's family are CAPITALISTS. That's gonna blow some minds.

That's good to hear since most conservatives called Dr King a Communist

Really? Where?

 

[ClosedCaption]

I didn't say he had a grudge, but since you quote me I'll respond. The OP provided abundant proof here.

My bad I was talking to Immie but since you responded, that is a link to the article not a link to any proof of a grudge.

Um, the article is a grudge piece.

She surely didn't show any love to Perry or Barton. She seems to want to spread her propaganda of hate to bring down Perry by insinuating that he agrees with Barton, but she doesn't even have to courage to identify what Barton actually said.

Would you have preferred I called it a smear campaign? That too fits.

Immie

Every article on someone has to "show love" or its a grudge piece? Grudge against what? Love?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

MLK's family are CAPITALISTS. That's gonna blow some minds.

That's good to hear since most conservatives called Dr King a Communist

Really? Where?

Glenn Beck..............oh wait he said King was a Capitalist, my bad.

 

[McDowell's]

My bad I was talking to Immie but since you responded, that is a link to the article not a link to any proof of a grudge.

A link to that moronic article is proof in this instance.

You know that line of logic dont fly

That passes for an explanation of how a hit piece which is 99% insinuation does not constitute proof of a bias or grudge? If all you can say is "no", we can't have much of a discussion.

 

[ClosedCaption]

A link to that moronic article is proof in this instance.

You know that line of logic dont fly

That passes for an explanation of how a hit piece which is 99% insinuation does not constitute proof of a bias or grudge? If all you can say is "no", we can't have much of a discussion.

Its not insinuation to describe someones beliefs then state that someone is having a retreat with that person. If I said eating puppies was bad is that bias? Because if Barton holds those views and Perry is meeting with him at a retreat, thats the truth. Right?

 

[McDowell's]

You know that line of logic dont fly

That passes for an explanation of how a hit piece which is 99% insinuation does not constitute proof of a bias or grudge? If all you can say is "no", we can't have much of a discussion.

Its not insinuation to describe someones beliefs then state that someone is having a retreat with that person. If I said eating puppies was bad is that bias? Because if Barton holds those views and Perry is meeting with him at a retreat, thats the truth. Right?

You do realize insinuation means you don't outright say something - its a result of the way your speech is constructed, implied meaning. This article is not just a statement of pure fact. The closing line of the article gives that away entirely. Immanuel has already pointed out that the author never actually gives a direct reference to the purported offending belief. So, no it's not truthful in its basic construction as indicated by the fact you have to say "if" Barton holds those views. You can't even say he does because the article doesn't substantiate that he ever said that. That's another indication of bias. Again, all you have to do is look at the closing line of the article:

One wonders what he and Perry and their other conferees will discuss if the issue of race comes up at that Texas retreat.

That's definitely not just a statement of fact - it's a very leading insinuation.

If you can't understand what the article is inferring then you need some very basic critical thinking skills. Please don't pretend I'm way off base here. The fact this thread exists and several people have demonized Perry over things the article does not even directly state proves your simplistic view is not realistic.

 

[The Infidel]

Your party picked him to head a top spot.

Be honest for half a second

You 1st *****!

 

[The Infidel]

Can anyone tell me how much MLK's offspring "charged" the government to use his likeness in the statue they were dedicating this weekend?

After that, tell me how much other prominent political figures offspring charge the government to use their fore-fathers images?

KING 'MONUMENT TO GREED' - NYPOST.com

WASHINGTON -- The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s family has charged the foundation building a monument to the civil-rights leader on the National Mall about $800,000 to use his words and image -- and at least one scholar thinks that Dr. King would find such an arrangement offensive.

The memorial is being paid for almost entirely through a fund-raising campaign led by the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial Project Foundation.

"I don't think the Jefferson family, the Lincoln family [or] any other group of family ancestors has been paid a licensing fee for a memorial in Washington," said Cambridge University historian David Garrow, author of a Pulitzer Prize-winning biography of Dr. King. ". . . [He would've been] absolutely scandalized."

Financial documents revealed that the foundation paid $761,160 in 2007 to Intellectual Properties Management Inc., an entity run by the King family. They also showed that a $71,700 "management" fee was paid to the family estate in 2003.

Something just feels... wrong... with this.

MLK's family are CAPITALISTS. That's gonna blow some minds.

No.... they are thugs that make folks pay to use his speeches and his likeness.

What a shame indeed.

 

[Charles_Main]

Go get what wright said and we will compare the two statements MMMKAY

Go for it. Wright said some pretty appalling things. However I am sure you will not think they are so bad considering most of what he said is directed at white people.

 

[Charles_Main]

Your party picked him to head a top spot.

What do you know about Honesty, The Party has not chosen ANYONE to head the top spot yet.

 

[rightwinger]

Barton is a wonderful source of guidance for a potential presidential candidate


David Barton

 

[Immanuel]

My bad I was talking to Immie but since you responded, that is a link to the article not a link to any proof of a grudge.

Um, the article is a grudge piece.

She surely didn't show any love to Perry or Barton. She seems to want to spread her propaganda of hate to bring down Perry by insinuating that he agrees with Barton, but she doesn't even have to courage to identify what Barton actually said.

Would you have preferred I called it a smear campaign? That too fits.

Immie

Every article on someone has to "show love" or its a grudge piece? Grudge against what? Love?

Since you obviously have not read the article, why are you participating in this discussion?

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

You know that line of logic dont fly

That passes for an explanation of how a hit piece which is 99% insinuation does not constitute proof of a bias or grudge? If all you can say is "no", we can't have much of a discussion.

Its not insinuation to describe someones beliefs then state that someone is having a retreat with that person. If I said eating puppies was bad is that bias? Because if Barton holds those views and Perry is meeting with him at a retreat, thats the truth. Right?

It is insinuation to claim that someone said Dr. King deserves no credit for the Civil Rights movement and not back it up with quotes from the individual and then to further claim that because a candidate is associated with said individual that the candidate also believes this without backing up the statement.

This article was nothing but a smear campaign and a piss poor one at that.

Immie

 

[rightwinger]

That passes for an explanation of how a hit piece which is 99% insinuation does not constitute proof of a bias or grudge? If all you can say is "no", we can't have much of a discussion.

Its not insinuation to describe someones beliefs then state that someone is having a retreat with that person. If I said eating puppies was bad is that bias? Because if Barton holds those views and Perry is meeting with him at a retreat, thats the truth. Right?

It is insinuation to claim that someone said Dr. King deserves no credit for the Civil Rights movement and not back it up with quotes from the individual and then to further claim that because a candidate is associated with said individual that the candidate also believes this without backing up the statement.

This article was nothing but a smear campaign and a piss poor one at that.

Immie

Barton makes up his own Christian based history. He has said everything in the Op and more

David Barton