Special Master Not Working Out Well For Team Trumpy

[Ray From Cleveland]

The burden of proof before the Special Master (Judge Raymond Dearie) is on the Complainant (The Traitor). It is up to the Traitor and his latest batch shysters to prove that the Traitor did declassify the documents that were illegally removed from The White House. The Traitor claims he had the power unto himself to declassify, he must prove he had such power.

Trump claims ‘standing order’ declassified records as soon as they left Oval Office - Washington Examiner

Former President Donald Trump claims a "standing order" allowed him to declassify documents as soon as they left the Oval Office.A statement from Trump's office was read by journalist John Solomon on Fox News on Friday evening as the former president faces fallout from an FBI raid of his...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy v. Egan — which involved the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority.

"The president, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the president, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, told PolitiFact in 2017 that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, told us in 2017 that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information … it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from presidential executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on a president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

What to know about presidential declassification powers

The search warrant served on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home appears to involve documents that investiga

www.politifact.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your orange jesus is headed for a life behind bars.

Still or again?

 

[Catsnmeters]

Except Comey testified that they did find classified material on that server. I'm sure they had to ask DumBama, if the emails they found were indeed classified or not.

Sure he did. Obama just didn't tell him and he doesn't have too.

A President has absolute power of classification and doesn't need to notify Comey of anything.

Do you think a president answers to the FBI?

 

[Delldude]

You don't know that he didn't.

You stated 'potentially'......you don't either.

 

[Delldude]

Nope. This is a civil case. It is Trump that has to prove why the DOJ shouldn't be able to use the documents.

No He doesn't, that has already been determined here.

 

[Delldude]

The emails on her server weren’t “sent classified”. They were just emails that people said were classified after the fact.

Trump is getting the same treatment. The problem is he doesn’t get to reasonable claim he didn’t realize they weren’t classified documents because they had classified printed all over them

You need to read Comey's assessment.....LOL

 

[themirrorthief]

Now that he has the “special master” he requested to deal with the documents he hoarded at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump is already finding reasons to object to the process. Specifically, Trump’s legal team is refusing to talk about whether, or how, Trump actually tried to declassify any of the documents by claiming it would harm their “defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment.”

In other words, they’re saying that if they reveal that Trump didn’t declassify any documents, that could subject him to legal action for stealing and holding highly classified information. Which he did. And if Trump claims he did declassify documents, then he’ll have to prove that in court, and also be subject to possible charges over failure to follow the law regarding declassification. Plus, there’s the whole perjury issue—and the issue of Trump obstructing an investigation—that comes with lying about the whole thing.

On top of this, the special master wants this whole thing wrapped up quickly. Trump objects, because that’s the last thing he wants. And finally, the special master wants to know something that’s been bothering everyone: Why is this thing in front of him instead of being dealt with by the court that issued the search warrant in the first place?

Trump got the special master he wanted, but he's finding that Judge Dearie isn't what he expected

Now that he has the “special master” he requested to deal with the documents he hoarded at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump is already finding reasons to object to the process. Specifically, Trump’s legal team is refusing to talk about whether, or how, Trump...

m.dailykos.com

you seem very disturbed with your obsession with someone who holds NO political office....do you want me to send you a trumpybear since you probably have no girlfriend either

 

[Delldude]

Yes, I did miss it. Since your previous or for that matter subsequent post doesn't indicate you are sarcastic at all.

Just to clarify. Do you think that pleading the fifth is a decent legal strategy in this case?

I'd say that is to be determined by the defendant.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sure he did. Obama just didn't tell him and he doesn't have too.

A President has absolute power of classification and doesn't need to notify Comey of anything.

Do you think a president answers to the FBI?

If the AG did the proper thing and bring charges against her for the crime, then yes, it would have to be proven by her those documents were not classified.

 

[forkup]

No He doesn't, that has already been determined here.

Determined here? That's interesting. I was under the impression that stuff like this is determined in a courtroom, following judicial procedure?

Judicial procedure in a civil case states that it is Trump that has to show a reason why the evidence should not be admitted as opposed to a criminal case where that burden lays solely on the prosecution.

 

[forkup]

I'd say that is to be determined by the defendant.

Your personal opinion is determined by someone else?

I can and do form opinions all the time. In this case, the opinion that remaining silent while a right, also makes the ruling in regards to the classification status of the documents rather simple.

If you have one side that claims the documents are classified and another side refusing to deny it, the options are singular.

See? Opinion formed without having to rely on anybody.

 

[Catsnmeters]

You stated 'potentially'......you don't either.

Correct.

 

[Delldude]

Determined here? That's interesting. I was under the impression that stuff like this is determined in a courtroom, following judicial procedure?

Judicial procedure in a civil case states that it is Trump that has to show a reason why the evidence should not be admitted as opposed to a criminal case where that burden lays solely on the prosecution.

I believe that was argued. Default is judge takes DOJ's claim they are classified.
Won't matter at this point. He is only supposed to determine what's privileged.

 

[Delldude]

Your personal opinion is determined by someone else?

I can and do form opinions all the time. In this case, the opinion that remaining silent while a right, also makes the ruling in regards to the classification status of the documents rather simple.

If you have one side that claims the documents are classified and another side refusing to deny it, the options are singular.

See? Opinion formed without having to rely on anybody.

If you refer to the SM, classification status isn't an issue. It will be at DOJ.

 

[BWK]

When I saw this, I said oh my God. Trump has dropped off into fruit loop land for sure.

 

[Lesh]

When I saw this, I said oh my God. Trump has dropped off into fruit loop land for sure.

He's got nothing else

 

[Delldude]

When I saw this, I said oh my God. Trump has dropped off into fruit loop land for sure.

He's got nothing else

How does the declassification process start then?

 

[Skylar]

Now that he has the “special master” he requested to deal with the documents he hoarded at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump is already finding reasons to object to the process. Specifically, Trump’s legal team is refusing to talk about whether, or how, Trump actually tried to declassify any of the documents by claiming it would harm their “defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment.”

In other words, they’re saying that if they reveal that Trump didn’t declassify any documents, that could subject him to legal action for stealing and holding highly classified information. Which he did. And if Trump claims he did declassify documents, then he’ll have to prove that in court, and also be subject to possible charges over failure to follow the law regarding declassification. Plus, there’s the whole perjury issue—and the issue of Trump obstructing an investigation—that comes with lying about the whole thing.

On top of this, the special master wants this whole thing wrapped up quickly. Trump objects, because that’s the last thing he wants. And finally, the special master wants to know something that’s been bothering everyone: Why is this thing in front of him instead of being dealt with by the court that issued the search warrant in the first place?

Trump got the special master he wanted, but he's finding that Judge Dearie isn't what he expected

Now that he has the “special master” he requested to deal with the documents he hoarded at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump is already finding reasons to object to the process. Specifically, Trump’s legal team is refusing to talk about whether, or how, Trump...

m.dailykos.com

What did they think was going to happen? Trump's idiot legal team keeps trying to float claims they don't even bother to try and back up.

 

[surada]

The judge got bench slapped.

Judge Cannon’s Latest Mar-a-Lago Ruling Just Got Benchslapped

The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals took a sledgehammer to the Trump-appointed judge’s misreading of the law.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Skylar]

"Special Master Demands Trump Prove Claims FBI Planted Evidence At Mar-A-Lago"

Again, what did Trump's idiot legal team THINK was gonna happen? That they made up unsupported conspiracy theories and a veteran judge was just going to go 'oh, okay'.

Of course the special master is going to ask for evidence of this horseshit. And of course, Trump's idiot legal team is going to stall and delay.