Special Master Not Working Out Well For Team Trumpy

[Delldude]

So 18 members of his staff say there was no such order and none have said there was.

Where does that leave things?

Hasn't been proven yet.

Hearsay

 

[pknopp]

This statement says it all:

“It’s not about gamesmanship. It’s about not having seen the documents. ... We are not in a position, nor should we be in a position at this juncture, to fully disclose a substantive defense,” Trusty said. “We shouldn’t have to be in a position to have to disclose declarations and witness statements.”

If they have been declassified there is no issue with stating so. Trump did. Now granted I can understand why his lawyers do not want to as they know they have not been.

 

[Lesh]

If that's their claim, Trump had no idea the document(s) were re-classified unless somebody told him.

Ray my boy, you're talking in circles

Your claim is that one President can declassify documents just by thinking it but the next can't reclassify them without going through the process?

By the way...in the "butter emails" case...Clinton's emails were classified AFTER the fact...and Comey claimed that because of the nature of them she should have known that the material was classified.

None of your circular logic works

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I don't know how that's possible when it was a member of his staff that contacted Fox news and made that statement. I know, I was watching it live when it happened.

A single member of his staff, and the same member that ordered the DOD not to cooperate with the Biden transition team.

 

[Marener]

You don't know that. The only thing reported is that ENVELOPES were marked classified. It doesn't mean the contents were. He could have declassified them and not made out new envelopes yet.

No, it was WAY more than just "envelopes" marked classified.

If Trump says he declassified the documents and the government says he didn't, the government wins. The judge cannot overrule the government on this. The judge has no say in what is and isn't declassified.

 

[Lesh]

No, it started less than six months before the raid. They couldn't have started it any earlier because it would have ruined the clown show they needed to put on before midterms.

Ray you need to stop.

Factbox: Timeline of the probe into whether Trump mishandled classified documents

A federal judge on Monday agreed to request by Donald Trump to appoint a special master to review records the FBI seized at his Florida home, a move that could delay the investigation into whether the former president mishandled classified documents.

www.reuters.com

It stareted May 21 2021

 

[Delldude]

If they have been declassified there is no issue with stating so. Trump did. Now granted I can understand why his lawyers do not want to as they know they have not been.

You have no clue.....that isn't the venue to be proving one way or another a defense to His claims. SM is to review executive privilege and atty client privilege.

 

[pknopp]

You have no clue.....that isn't the venue to be proving one way or another a defense to His claims. SM is to review executive privilege and atty client privilege.

His lawyers will never make the claim that they were ever actually declassified.

 

[Delldude]

No, it was WAY more than just "envelopes" marked classified.

If Trump says he declassified the documents and the government says he didn't, the government wins. The judge cannot overrule the government on this. The judge has no say in what is and isn't declassified.

Yet it hasn't been proven, except in a court of public opinion, what the true classification levels were.

 

[Marener]

You have no clue.....that isn't the venue to be proving one way or another a defense to His claims. SM is to review executive privilege and atty client privilege.

Judge Cannon says that the special master should have input on classification status.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You have no clue.....that isn't the venue to be proving one way or another a defense to His claims. SM is to review executive privilege and atty client privilege.

And knowing if some thing is classified or not is part of that process

 

[Marener]

Yet it hasn't been proven, except in a court of public opinion, what the true classification levels were.

And as we have established, if it comes before a court, they are required to accept the government's determination about what is and isn't classified.

 

[Delldude]

His lawyers will never make the claim that they were ever actually declassified.

If it ever gets to court they may.

 

[pknopp]

If it ever gets to court they may.

Never.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

YOU provided the link in post 320 stupid

Show me where it says his staff knew nothing about it, stupid. The only thing it says is some hag from the NYT who is a renown anti-Trumper said she never heard anything about it.

 

[The Duke]

No, it was WAY more than just "envelopes" marked classified.

If Trump says he declassified the documents and the government says he didn't, the government wins. The judge cannot overrule the government on this. The judge has no say in what is and isn't declassified.

The government doesn't vs. the president, either. Biden really can't just give away the power of the executive privilege to the FBI's discretion like he allegedly did. He may be subpoena'd and questioned on that if anything goes to court. That could get interesting.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yea, Trumps lawyers blinked about explaining how the documents were de-classified. OOPs! That's going to hurt. All this talk by the orange headed liar, and?

Trump's lawyers arent the ones who need to make factual claims. If they feel that the prosecutors have enough evidence to convict Trump in the absence of a claim of declassification, they will put on as many witnesses as they have that he did so.

Of course that is in the fantasy world in which Trump is actually put on trial after being indicted. Grand juries are noted for indicting whoever prosecutors ask them to, but the DOJ seems uninterested in giving Trump a third win at trial.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, it was WAY more than just "envelopes" marked classified.

If Trump says he declassified the documents and the government says he didn't, the government wins. The judge cannot overrule the government on this. The judge has no say in what is and isn't declassified.

Correct, the President does, and he was President at the time he declassified the documents.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump's lawyers arent the ones who need to make factual claims. If they feel that the prosecutors have enough evidence to convict Trump in the absence of a claim of declassification, they will put on as many witnesses as they have that he did so.

Of course that is in the fantasy world in which Trump is actually put on trial after being indicted. Grand juries are noted for indicting whoever prosecutors ask them to, but the DOJ seems uninterested in giving Trump a third win at trial.

Their one and only goal here is to try and stop him from running in 2024 and tarnish his name for the midterms if they can. They don't care about putting him in prison or anything like that, because they know what goes around comes around.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

and he was President at the time he declassified the documents.

a claim not yet shown to be true.