Speaker Johnson: Biden just announced that he would veto our bill to prevent noncitizens from voting

[pknopp]

This is the epitome of blissful ignorance. The standard of living in the US is quite a bit higher than in many countries South of the border, even in dumps like NYC. Combine that with incentives(money, housing, healthcare) and protections and there are plenty of reasons for them to come even if jobs were not available.

We were discussing voting.

Focus.

 

[1srelluc]

The leftists are still ginned-up I see.

 

[22lcidw]

And the power to allow illegals vote in local elections.

So why the proposed law?

If you endlessly cheat your way to power, then we get what we see now. A nation slowly crumbling. We are not getting assimilation. We are getting what was in the old country and it is promoted as diversity from the corrupted and it is causing strife.

 

[struth]

Going to make it super double illegal. Lol

Going to make it a requirement to prove. This really isn’t a hard concept.

Do you think drivers shouldn’t be required to show their DL when driving?

 

[pknopp]

Going to make it a requirement to prove. This really isn’t a hard concept.

Do you think drivers shouldn’t be required to show their DL when driving?

I don't support DL.

But that noted....driving is a privilege not a right. Quit trying to make people jump through additional hoops to exercise their rights.

 

[surada]

Biden and the Democrats: "If illegal immigrants are not allowed to vote, then what was the point of letting them in in the first place?"

OK so why shouldn't I vote in my own state (Virginia) then get in the car and go to WV, PA, MD, with NO ID and vote again?

Jokes aside I do find it rich that the leftist dems are using the "laws on the books" argument when they scoff at the same notion when they propose new firearms restrictions.

Didn't you know that it's already illegal for non citizens to vote in a federal election?

 

[Faun]

FAKE NEWS - STUPID. The democrats have perfected the art of voter fraud -- untraceable, un-auditable mail in votes, along with electronic voting.

So Trump isn't a dumbfuck for getting outsmarted??

And since it's untraceable, why is Trump putting himself through this again? Makes him even dumber.

 

[struth]

I don't support DL.

But that noted....driving is a privilege not a right. Quit trying to make people jump through additional hoops to exercise their rights.

hahah aliens don't have a right to vote

Fine, you don't support DL, but the majority of the country, wants to ensure some level of safety on the roadways....just like many want to make sure there is some level of security in our democractic process.

you are quite the rebel....without a cause

 

[pknopp]

hahah aliens don't have a right to vote

I never argued they did but as far as local elections go that was left up to the states.

Fine, you don't support DL, but the majority of the country, wants to ensure some level of safety on the roadways....just like many want to make sure there is some level of security in our democractic process.

you are quite the rebel....without a cause

You might have a leg to stand on if you could ever prove the process isn't secure. Running around with your hair on fire really doesn't do that.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Non-Citizens have been both registering and voting in Virginia for years, mostly in blue areas of the state.

New Report Shows Widespread Non-Citizen Voting in Virginia

In Virginia, non-citizens have not only succeeded in registering to vote by the thousands, many have actually cast ballots in recent elections. That’s the startling truth revealed in the latest edition of Alien Invasion, a report released last week by The Public Interest Legal Foundation. Like...

www.heritage.org

According to PILF data, since 1988 some 1,852 non-citizens succeeded in voting 7,474 times in Virginia. Each illegally cast vote is likely a criminal act, yet PILF turned up no evidence that any of these cases was referred for prosecution.

That's a scary number.

So I needed to put it in context. You defined the context as Virginia going back to 1988.

In that context, out of an average of 2,236,585 votes per year, an average of 226 illegal voter per year for an entire state that has had roughly 3,000,000 to 6,000,000 registered voters over those decades.

Using your numbers and the numbers of votes cast over 33 years that works out to .0101%.

Now, I agree the number should be 0%, but when examined in context the number of Illegal Aliens voting is insignificant.

WW

 

[struth]

I never argued they did but as far as local elections go that was left up to the states.




You might have a leg to stand on if you could ever prove the process isn't secure. Running around with your hair on fire really doesn't do that.

haha nobody has ever been talking about local elections, only you did after being embarrased with the fact you didn't know the Constitution said US Citizens.


well here is one example:

Archived: 19 aliens charged with voter fraud in North Carolina following ICE investigation

A federal grand jury in Wilmington charged seven foreign nationals on August 31 on federal felony charges including falsely claiming U.S. citizenship or making false statements on voter registration application, and with misdemeanor charges of unlawfully casting ballots in the 2016 presidential...

www.ice.gov

 

[pknopp]

haha nobody has ever been talking about local elections, only you did after being embarrased with the fact you didn't know the Constitution said US Citizens.


well here is one example:

Archived: 19 aliens charged with voter fraud in North Carolina following ICE investigation

A federal grand jury in Wilmington charged seven foreign nationals on August 31 on federal felony charges including falsely claiming U.S. citizenship or making false statements on voter registration application, and with misdemeanor charges of unlawfully casting ballots in the 2016 presidential...

www.ice.gov

It's already illegal for illegals to vote in Federal elections so what is the point?

 

[struth]

It's already illegal for illegals to vote in Federal elections so what is the point?

um, as already explained to you, this law doesn't make it illegal for illegals to vote, nor any other alien, since it is already illegal.

Maybe, you should try to catch up on the topic before replying to post....you just look dumber and dumber and dumber at this point

 

[pknopp]

um, as already explained to you, this law doesn't make it illegal for illegals to vote, nor any other alien, since it is already illegal.

Right, so there is no point to it.

Maybe, you should try to catch up on the topic before replying to post....you just look dumber and dumber and dumber at this point

Nor do you have one.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Election officials should be given the tools needed to verify the eligibility of voters. The burden should be on the government to validate eligibility.

PREMISE:
The current model of “voter” registration is a carryover from the British system established during the birth of our country was based on a time when:
• The main mode of transportation was shanks mare (feet)
• Cargo was moved by horse drawn wagons
• It could take days and multiple riders for information to travel from the State Capital to any point in the state and weeks if information needed to move from one end of the country to another (say Maine to Florida). As the country expanded that time could be measured in months (east coast to west coast).

During those times the idea of “Voter Registration” being localized made sense as the vast majority of the population was born, lived, and died in the same 100 mile circle.

That time is passed, we now live in the age of a highly mobile society with instant communications. Hell sitting here on the east coast I can pick up a phone, punch in a few numbers and be talking with my daughter stationed in Japan.

RECOMMENDATION:
Therefore I think it’s time to fundamentally change the core concept of “Voter Registration” from the current model of registering to vote and having to prove you are eligible to being automatically an eligible voter unless the franchised is removed for a reason (felony, death, mental incapacity, etc.).

This fundamental shift from “having to register to vote” to “eligible voter” would be based on the integration of various sources of information into a central clearing house that all states would be required to participate in for election for federal offices. If they decided to maintain a separate parallel system for state/local elections, they would be free to do so.

All eligible citizens are fundamentally considered “registered to vote” as long as they are of the correct age and have not had their franchise removed. So it becomes less a question of “who” is eligible to vote, the only remaining question is “where” they are eligible to vote.

This “Voter Electronic Eligibility Center” system would include:
• Real time access to voter eligibility information via an encrypted secure network to state and local boards of election.
• State and local boards would be able to download voters whose address falls within their jurisdiction.
• State and local officials would have access to querying and updating individual statuses.
• Information would be integrated from various sources which provide input into the system.
• State Department responsible for vital records - births, deaths, etc.
• State Department of Taxation – current address, change of Address
• State Department of Motor Vehicles – current address, change of address
• State Departments of State – Court actions and restoration of franchise after removed by court action
• United States Postal Service – National valid addresses, change of address
• Social Security Administration – births deaths, etc.
• Federal Department of State – naturalization of new citizens
• The various Felony level courts at both the State and Federal level – removal of the franchise via felony conviction

Because of the data integration between the various agencies, the idea “voter eligibility” is shifted. There are no “purging the roles” based on inactivity. All citizens are considered active voters.

Where you vote then becomes a function of your primary legal address (of which you will only have one). If you move, that address change will automatically be fed into the system and your information would be downloaded to the local elections office.

When you are born, you are automatically registered into the system and become “eligible to vote” at your 18th birthday. You just have to wait to get there of course.

If you die, when that death is registered it is automatically communicated to the VEEC making you ineligible to vote.

Now in my humble opinion, it would take 10-15 years for such a system. First you need funding. Then the IT experts and Database geeks are going to have to map out the secure communication systems and data interface software that will function between agencies. Then you are going to need a few years each of “Alpha” and “Beta” testing before it can really go live. But once all the players are in place it could really streamline what we view as “voter registration” making it so much easier for (a) us as individuals and (b) for the voting process in general.

WW

 

[struth]

Right, so there is no point to it.



Nor do you have one.

hahha of course there is, it requires people to show proof of citizenship, since it's illegal not to be a citizen to vote in Federal elections.

keep looking stupid

 

[pknopp]

hahha of course there is, it requires people to show proof of citizenship, since it's illegal not to be a citizen to vote in Federal elections.

keep looking stupid

If illegals are voting illegally, enforce the laws already written.

 

[struth]

If illegals are voting illegally, enforce the laws already written.

agreed, that doesn't mean we can't also make laws making it more difficult for them.

it's illegal to carry a firearm in a Court house, or a bomb on an airplane....should we just not have security measures at these places, since it's already illegal and we should just enforce the law already when someone does?

of course not.

stop being an idiot

 

[pknopp]

agreed, that doesn't mean we can't also make laws making it more difficult for them.

SInce it isn't happening, it must already be difficult or no one has any interest.

it's illegal to carry a firearm in a Court house, or a bomb on an airplane....should we just not have security measures at these places, since it's already illegal and we should just enforce the law already when someone does?

of course not.

stop being an idiot

I'm not a fan of any of that either. It's sad what we let them do to us while boarding a plane while looking the other way as Boeing makes unsafe planes to start with.

 

[Delldude]

It's already illegal for illegals to vote in Federal elections so what is the point?

Point is they can register to vote without proving they are a citizen of the US. They can check a box and still register.