Some thoughts from the "founding fathers"

[Bitterhook]

You can't have an honest discussion, once one side purposefully lies about the point they're making.
That cost you the right to have your points addressed.

I asked you questions and encouraged you to attempt a discussion and you still haven't.
You're not having a discussion and there is a reason for that, and it's not the excuse you are giving.

 

[meaner gene]

It’s a Major Award!

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Michael Jackson got the oscar for best picture (Gone with the Wind - 1940)

 

[rightwinger]

Michael Jackson got the oscar for best picture (Gone with the Wind - 1940)

Will Melania win an Oscar?

 

[meaner gene]

I asked you questions and encouraged you to attempt a discussion and you still haven't.
You're not having a discussion and there is a reason for that, and it's not the excuse you are giving.

Nope

Well, except for the fact that every damn one of our Founding Fathers were considered to be criminals and traitors to the Crown and would have been hanged if they hadn't won the war.

Guess what, the British put a statue of George Washington in Trafalgar Square after the war and it's still there today.

 

[Bitterhook]

Nope

Then why are you responding and how is the fact you have been reduced to a single word, not just another example of what I am talking about?

 

[Crepitus]

But you can, because I have, and that's just not true.

I went to a protest in Leadbetter Heights and Allendale, walked through the police line packing heat, but then again having a firearm in that part of town was good idea if you knew what you were doing and didn't do stupid shit.

tRump and his loyal oompa-loompas are telling you you can't.

Or did you selectively forget that already?

 

[Bitterhook]

tRump and his loyal oompa-loompas are telling you you can't.

Or did you selectively forget that already?

It's a good thing I don't hang on President Trump's every word then, and I don't tend to be very forgetful.
Plus, whatever he says really wouldn't have a damn thing to do with me taking personal responsibility for anything, now would it?

 

[meaner gene]

It's a good thing I don't hang on President Trump's every word then, and I don't tend to be very forgetful.
Plus, whatever he says really wouldn't have a damn thing to do with me taking personal responsibility for anything, now would it?

What is this strange ability that MAGA's have to know when to take what Trump says seriously, and when they should ignore what Trump says.

 

[Bitterhook]

What is this strange ability that MAGA's have to know when to take what Trump says seriously, and when they should ignore what Trump says.

Well, that may be far more important to both you and them.
However, that doesn't really play any significant role in how I deal with everything in my everyday life.

I am consistent when I say people need to take personal responsibility for their actions, and that doesn't ever mean I need to run around like my hair is fire when people like you or President Trump start playing the game of political nonsense.

We're in a thread concerning our Founding Fathers, and to tell you the truth, I think we have strayed so far away from the principles they established in law and our US Constitution, that I don't see too much difference between your nonsense and the nonsense you oppose.

However, I am thankful that you finally offered something to discuss, and if at all possible, getting back to the topic of the thread would be even better.

 

[meaner gene]

Well, that may be far more important to both you and them.
However, that doesn't really play any significant role in how I deal with everything in my everyday life.

I am consistent when I say people need to take personal responsibility for their actions, and that doesn't ever mean I need to run around like my hair is fire when people like you or President Trump start playing the game of political nonsense.

We're in a thread concerning our Founding Fathers, and to tell you the truth, I think we have strayed so far away from the principles they established in law and our US Constitution, that I don't see too much difference between your nonsense and the nonsense you oppose.

However, I am thankful that you finally offered something to discuss, and if at all possible, getting back to the topic of the thread would be even better.

The Founding Fathers designed the U.S. Constitution with mechanisms to prevent "scoundrels," demagogues, or tyrants from seizing power, primarily through the separation of powers, impeachment, and the Electoral College. They feared unchecked executive authority, aiming to stop any single leader from becoming a dictator.

The Framers, especially James Madison, feared that popular, passionate leaders—"demagogues"—could manipulate the public and weaken the republic.

The Electoral College: Rather than a direct popular vote, this system was created to act as a safeguard, allowing electors to filter potential candidates and prevent the election of someone unworthy.

 

[meaner gene]

The Founders Anticipated the Threat of Trump

“America’s Founders designed a constitutional system to prevent demagogues from sowing confusion and mob violence,” writes Jeffrey Rosen, President of the National Constitution Ce…

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The Founders Anticipated the Threat of Trump

A key concern of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton was that demagogues would incite mobs and factions to defy the rule of law, overturn free and fair elections and undermine American democracy. “The only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion,”

Alexander Hamilton wrote in 1790. “When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper…is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity,” Hamilton warned, “he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.’”

The Founders designed a constitutional system to prevent demagogues from sowing confusion and mob violence in precisely this way.

 

[Bitterhook]

The Founding Fathers designed the U.S. Constitution with mechanisms to prevent "scoundrels," demagogues, or tyrants from seizing power, primarily through the separation of powers, impeachment, and the Electoral College. They feared unchecked executive authority, aiming to stop any single leader from becoming a dictator.

The Framers, especially James Madison, feared that popular, passionate leaders—"demagogues"—could manipulate the public and weaken the republic.

The Electoral College: Rather than a direct popular vote, this system was created to act as a safeguard, allowing electors to filter potential candidates and prevent the election of someone unworthy.

I have read the Federalist Papers and don't need the US Constitution or the Founders' intentions explained, because they do a way better job of explaining than you do. James Madison did write some of the 85 essays included.

However, I also understand some of your concerns, but the idea you would like to associate them with anything in particular to our current conditions, is still an immeasurable distance away from where I believe we got off the rails. I mean that boat left the harbor a long time ago.

If it makes you feel any better, I can assure you that no one will elect me President, because I would do everything I possibly could to get us back to where we need to be, before I was either impeached or assassinated, because that would most likely happen.

 

[Bitterhook]

The Founding Fathers designed the U.S. Constitution with mechanisms to prevent "scoundrels," demagogues, or tyrants from seizing power, primarily through the separation of powers, impeachment, and the Electoral College. They feared unchecked executive authority, aiming to stop any single leader from becoming a dictator.

The Framers, especially James Madison, feared that popular, passionate leaders—"demagogues"—could manipulate the public and weaken the republic.

The Electoral College: Rather than a direct popular vote, this system was created to act as a safeguard, allowing electors to filter potential candidates and prevent the election of someone unworthy.

Also, in everything you wrote you missed some serious principles the Founding Fathers adhered to in order to not be talking shit and defeating their purposes from the beginning.

They did not want to create a Ruling Class at the federal level of our government and to give the People the power they desired to give them, doesn't mean that they start telling the People how everything is going to be, and who they can vote for.

Since they cannot tell the People who to vote for, the only option they have left is to limit the power they give to the person or the representatives the People choose, and that's what they did.

They didn't want to create a Ruling Class (or king) in the federal government, so they empowered the states and the people as Democracies, while our federal government is a Republic that represents a Union of the States.

What we have now, is the equivalent of the federal government being everyone's mother, and a bunch of motherfuckers living in her basement, and bitching about a shortage of hot pockets and no one doing their laundry. Not to mention they are utterly stupid enough to run around screaming about "No Kings" while at the same time begging the Ruling Class they cannot live without for lunch money.

And, that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how far off the rails we currently are in regard to what the Founding Fathers warned us about.