Zone1 Social Security Scam

[Couchpotato]

Both programs have qualifications. Not everyone gets them.

That doesn’t change what they are

 

[Woodznutz]

That doesn’t change what they are

Neither program is for everyone.

SS is for wage earners only, and their survivors/dependents, who have paid into the system.
Food Stamps are for low-income people only.

 

[Couchpotato]

Neither program is for everyone.

SS is for wage earners only, and their survivors/dependents, who have paid into the system.
Food Stamps are for low-income people only.

yeah they are welfare programs for different sets of people I’m aware

 

[Blues Man]

Most working people are financially independent. It's when they retire that money problems begin.

No they aren't.

Financial independence is being able to live off of your portfolio without having to trade your hours for dimes

 

[Woodznutz]

No they aren't.

Financial independence is being able to live off of your portfolio without having to trade your hours for dimes

Point taken. However, there is a financial interdependence between the worker and the employer that should be considered.

 

[Blues Man]

Point taken. However, there is a financial interdependence between the worker and the employer that should be considered.

Only in the aggregate. Any one employee is entirely replaceable

 

[Woodznutz]

Only in the aggregate. Any one employee is entirely replaceable

Tell that to businesses that have closed for lack of replacement employees.

US Businesses Are Closing Because They Can't Find Anyone to Work. Here’s Why

For the last 10 years, Larry and Roxane Maggio ran a deli in New Jersey. Last month they closed their doors forever—“and not because business is bad.” “We just can’t find anyone to work,” Roxane Maggio told the Philadelphia Inquirer. The Maggios are not alone.

fee.org

 

[Blues Man]

Tell that to businesses that have closed for lack of replacement employees.

US Businesses Are Closing Because They Can't Find Anyone to Work. Here’s Why

For the last 10 years, Larry and Roxane Maggio ran a deli in New Jersey. Last month they closed their doors forever—“and not because business is bad.” “We just can’t find anyone to work,” Roxane Maggio told the Philadelphia Inquirer. The Maggios are not alone.

fee.org

That only happens to extremely small businesses that run on razor thin margins.

Really what are the promotional opportunities in a family owned deli?

 

[Woodznutz]

That only happens to extremely small businesses that run on razor thin margins.

Really what are the promotional opportunities in a family owned deli?

Whole high-paying industries are hurting for employees. The shortages run into the tens of thousands.

 

[Blues Man]

Whole high-paying industries are hurting for employees. The shortages run into the tens of thousands.

None of them are going out of business

 

[boedicca]

Knowing me I wouldn't have saved it. Same with most people. That's why SS is so needed still. Many people that earn big bucks don't save for their retirement. SS addresses this human weakness.

So what you are saying is that because you lack self-discipline and can't resist instant gratification in order to save for your future, young people now should be put to the yoke to finance your retirement.

 

[Woodznutz]

None of them are going out of business

But they can't expand to take advantage of new business because of the lack of workers. Guess who fills that void...China.

 

[boedicca]

Whole high-paying industries are hurting for employees. The shortages run into the tens of thousands.

That is because the educational system has been transformed into a globalist-socialist propaganda trough. Kids used to learn vocational skills with a smaller portion going to college for degrees that had actual market value. Now, we have an army of DEI activists with no skills and entitlement attitudes in place of people who can actually do real work (i.e. the 90% of Twitter staff that has exited or is on the way out). I'd rather not fill a position than to hire a DEI activist.

 

[boedicca]

But they can't expand to take advantage of new business because of the lack of workers. Guess who fills that void...China.

No, they can't hire workers in the U.S. for the cost of SLAVES in freakin' China. Our tax, regulatory and monetary policy scheme has made hiring free people uneconomic. Why do you think that is?

 

[Woodznutz]

So what you are saying is that because you lack self-discipline and can't resist instant gratification in order to save for your future, young people now should be put to the yoke to finance your retirement.

Most people lack the discipline, or the means, to save for retirement. That's why SS was created.
I've paid for someone else's retirement all my working life, and still am as I'm still working, even while also collecting SS.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, they can't hire workers in the U.S. for the cost of SLAVES in freakin' China. Our tax, regulatory and monetary policy scheme has made hiring free people uneconomic. Why do you think that is?

Even the higher wages now being offered by many companies aren't attracting workers. Something else is going on. Perhaps it's the "I want it all and I want it now" attitude of so many. I blame a lot of it on free and easy sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll. No need to be successful anymore.

 

[boedicca]

Most people lack the discipline, or the means, to save for retirement. That's why SS was created.
I've paid for someone else's retirement all my working life, and still am as I'm still working, even while also collecting SS.

No, it's not. SS was created to further the socialist agenda in the U.S. It encouraged a mentality or dependency instead of self-sufficiency. It's not a coinkydink that we more and more people are willing to live on the dole instead of working these days.

 

[boedicca]

Even the higher wages now being offered by many companies aren't attracting workers. Something else is going on. Perhaps it's the "I want it all and I want it now" attitude of so many. I blame a lot of it on free and easy sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll. No need to be successful anymore.

The higher wages are for jobs that require actual skills and knowledge. When kids are giving As for just showing up, they don't learn anything and are not qualified for the higher wage jobs.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, it's not. SS was created to further the socialist agenda in the U.S. It encouraged a mentality or dependency instead of self-sufficiency. It's not a coinkydink that we more and more people are willing to live on the dole instead of working these days.

Most people understand that SS is a safety net only and that other means of support in retirement are needed. That's why we have IRA's, 401's, company pension plans, etc.

 

[Woodznutz]

The higher wages are for jobs that require actual skills and knowledge. When kids are giving As for just showing up, they don't learn anything and are not qualified for the higher wage jobs.

Higher wages are being offered across all skill levels, including entry-level pay. I am astounded at the pay being offered for unskilled work.