Social Credit system

[occupied]

Has it been replaced with something meaningful?

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Depends on when you think life became too easy.

 

[Tehon]

We are already headed in that direction.

No we're not. Not like that. There are privacy issues that are certainly a matter of concern but China built their internet from the ground up to be a tool of social control. Our internet does not end at the border nor does the government have a total monopoly on web expertise.

Faebook started a system to rate the trustworthiness of their users. If the idea is to condition the population to act in a certain way what difference does it make whether it is undertaken by private interests who dominate our government policies or government itself?

Facebook is a blight on society but I don't see them doing anything except making money off collecting data and selling it to anybody with a buck. Dump facebook like I did, problem solved.

I don't use facebook, but the CIA does. Along with a host of other information technology companies it invests in.

You are correct but I made a decision long ago that I was going to live my life as if I actually live in free country. I refuse to live in fear because fear is really the only successful social engineering tool. It has been the pattern that social media platforms in America evolve faster than the government can keep up. This is an an encouraging sign. It tells me that they have limited control over the social engineering potential of social media.

The Chinese aren't living in fear of it either. They know it is happening to them.


Rather than generating outrage, these digital debtor prisons have proven extremely popular. A 2018 survey of more than 2,200 Chinese citizens found that 80 percent had joined a commercial social-credit system (Sesame Credit, which requires users to opt-in, was the most popular service), although only 7 percent were aware of that they’d been included within a government system. More surprisingly, 80 percent of respondents either somewhat or strongly approved of social-credit systems, with the strongest support coming from older, educated and more affluent urbanites — a demographic generally associated with more “liberal” values such as the sanctity of privacy.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


The Americans have the fear of the uncertain. They are still in disbelief. Which I find absolutely astonishing given the fact that they have been socially manipulated their entire lives by private interests. And they call it freedom.

 

[occupied]

No we're not. Not like that. There are privacy issues that are certainly a matter of concern but China built their internet from the ground up to be a tool of social control. Our internet does not end at the border nor does the government have a total monopoly on web expertise.

Faebook started a system to rate the trustworthiness of their users. If the idea is to condition the population to act in a certain way what difference does it make whether it is undertaken by private interests who dominate our government policies or government itself?

Facebook is a blight on society but I don't see them doing anything except making money off collecting data and selling it to anybody with a buck. Dump facebook like I did, problem solved.

I don't use facebook, but the CIA does. Along with a host of other information technology companies it invests in.

You are correct but I made a decision long ago that I was going to live my life as if I actually live in free country. I refuse to live in fear because fear is really the only successful social engineering tool. It has been the pattern that social media platforms in America evolve faster than the government can keep up. This is an an encouraging sign. It tells me that they have limited control over the social engineering potential of social media.

The Chinese aren't living in fear of it either. They know it is happening to them.


Rather than generating outrage, these digital debtor prisons have proven extremely popular. A 2018 survey of more than 2,200 Chinese citizens found that 80 percent had joined a commercial social-credit system (Sesame Credit, which requires users to opt-in, was the most popular service), although only 7 percent were aware of that they’d been included within a government system. More surprisingly, 80 percent of respondents either somewhat or strongly approved of social-credit systems, with the strongest support coming from older, educated and more affluent urbanites — a demographic generally associated with more “liberal” values such as the sanctity of privacy.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


The Americans have the fear of the uncertain. They are still in disbelief. Which I find absolutely astonishing given the fact that they have been socially manipulated their entire lives by private interests. And they call it freedom.

Most people can live quite comfortably under authoritarianism. it's why it works.

 

[Mac1958]

Most people can live quite comfortably under authoritarianism. it's why it works.

What would be a couple of examples?
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[occupied]

Most people can live quite comfortably under authoritarianism. it's why it works.

What would be a couple of examples?
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The bulk of humanity has lived under one form of autocracy or another and been mostly OK. It's not any sort of life I would want but "free" countries are a historic exception rather than the rule. Even today we can look at the bad places and find most people are living ordinary lives of work, home and family like anyone else. It's the habitual line steppers that have a problem.

 

[BluesLegend]

The people put up with this for a while but eventually they rise up and kill their oppressors.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Millenials are the first generation that does not have a reasonable expectation of having a better life than their parents, and Generation Z even less so.

Why do you think they have that expectation?

Why would they, at best our country is treading water, not really improving like it once did. Whether you agree with them or not, most think that global warming is going to make life harder for them in the future, kids as young as my son (17) see the coming problems with jobs and there not being enough to go around. Him and I have talked about it many times. The more things are automated, the less we need humans. He believes self driving vehicles as the final blow, when we no longer need truck drivers or the multitude of jobs that support them, what will we do to replace those jobs?

Build and service the self driving cars and the infrastructure they run on, for one. Today, there are more people in the world over the age of 65 than under the age of 5. We will run short of people before we run out of jobs.

We have people building and servicing the vehicles now,so that is not a replacement for the driver jobs lost. Same goes for infrastructure.

I disagree about running out of people before jobs, we are getting very good at replacing ourselves with robots or programs.

We cannot just assume that there will always be a new job to replace the ones we lose

Even though there always have been.

That is the sort of thinking that leads to failure or stagnation...or normally the latter followed by the former.

 

[B. Kidd]

As more and more social power in the US is transferred from capital to government, how long before we implement something like China's social credit system? Which of our statist parties will be the first to jump on it?

Big U.S. tech companies are currently assisting the Chinese Gov't and their military in the development of their mass surveillance system supporting their social credit system.

When the Democrats regain full power, tech will already have the template to install a mass surveillance system in the U.S., sooner than before later.

Not if, but when that occurs, George Orwell's prophetic vision becomes full reality!

Bondage for everyone....

 

[OKTexas]

As more and more social power in the US is transferred from capital to government, how long before we implement something like China's social credit system? Which of our statist parties will be the first to jump on it?

Sounds like what google, facebook and amazon are doing now with all their data collection. Only step missing is uploading it to the government. Who"s to say that's not already happening.

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[Harpy Eagle]

As more and more social power in the US is transferred from capital to government, how long before we implement something like China's social credit system? Which of our statist parties will be the first to jump on it?

Big U.S. tech companies are currently assisting the Chinese Gov't and their military in the development of their mass surveillance system supporting their social credit system.

When the Democrats regain full power, tech will already have the template to install a mass surveillance system in the U.S., sooner than before later.

Not if, but when that occurs, George Orwell's prophetic vision becomes full reality!

Bondage for everyone....

What makes you think they have to wait for the Dems?

It was the Repubs that gave us the PATRIOT Act and NSA spying on our own citizens, it was the Repubs that expanded the reach of the FISA court, it was a Repub that just 2 years ago reauthorized the FISA bullshit till 2023.

You partisan sheep that think your damn party is innocent are a true danger to this country

 

[Norman]

Social credit system by (socialist) democrats?

That would be amazing. Illegal status would immediately give the highest score, while being white and American would immediately net the bottom position. Heroics deeds would include dressing boys as girls, invading women's bathrooms or identifying as a trans person who also is gay.

Awesome!

 

[B. Kidd]

As more and more social power in the US is transferred from capital to government, how long before we implement something like China's social credit system? Which of our statist parties will be the first to jump on it?

Big U.S. tech companies are currently assisting the Chinese Gov't and their military in the development of their mass surveillance system supporting their social credit system.

When the Democrats regain full power, tech will already have the template to install a mass surveillance system in the U.S., sooner than before later.

Not if, but when that occurs, George Orwell's prophetic vision becomes full reality!

Bondage for everyone....

What makes you think they have to wait for the Dems?

It was the Repubs that gave us the PATRIOT Act and NSA spying on our own citizens, it was the Repubs that expanded the reach of the FISA court, it was a Repub that just 2 years ago reauthorized the FISA bullshit till 2023.

You partisan sheep that think your damn party is innocent are a true danger to this country

But, and it's a big but, it is the Democrats who attempted to take down a legally elected U.S. President through surveillance before he took office!
Nice try and a big fail on your part

 

[dblack]

It will happen eventually, there is a generation being educated and guided to Marxism. It's already here in Canada in some incarnation, lead by covert police agencies.

The old saying "do as I say, not as I (or ones kids) do". Those who pass the strongest judgement on others are usually the ones who should be judged most.

Well, China is hardly Marxist. But the one feature of Marxism they still cling to is something sadly, increasingly, common in American politics: the notion that government is the be-all, end-all, expression of a society's values. That every single problem can, and should, be solved by government. As long as we continue down that road, we're not far behind them.

That is not a feature of Marxism. Marx himself rebuked the German Workers Party of his day for putting forth a platform that supported government solutions to capitalist problems.

Marxist want government control of our economic decisions. That encompasses pretty much everything.

 

[dblack]

Most people can live quite comfortably under authoritarianism. it's why it works.

What would be a couple of examples?
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Trump. Obama. Clinton. Bush. etc...