So...You Believe America is "Still Here"???

[Contumacious]

Whatever keeps you sad at night.

Whatever keeps your belly full .

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My belly is a six pack because of all of the hard work and sweat that I put into maintaining my vessel.

My food comes from my labor, spare your cheesey baseless insults as if you know who you're talking to, ignoramus.

Bullshit.

You would't be supporting a gargantuan welfare/warfare state unless you are deriving some kind of benefit.

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[NYcarbineer]

Is it that you don't understand what a dramatic rise in the number of 2 earner households is? That's going from 1 job per household to 2. Understand that?

That's a yes or no question.

seems that it is YOU who does not understand that on a level of living that was 40 years ago one can live on one salary today as well

one car, two bedroom home and one TV in the living room. No cell phones, no internet, no computer , no other electronic gadgets, no kitchen gadgets - and a family of 4 can live on one salary as they have been 40 years ago.

So you admit that American wages have not been able to keep up with the cost of a typical middle class American way of life,

and that middle class Americans should have to live like it's 1956 if they want to raise a family in a manner that allows at least one parent to actually parent?

I suppose you also think that's somehow a good thing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Again....Americans in every quintile are living better every year.
Only the dupes of Leftism, i.e., you, claim otherwise.

Looks to me like the gains have been slim to none in certain percentiles:

 

[Pheonixops]

1.FDR ignored the Constitution

2. the people vote, Liberal judges throw out the result of the vote

3. Liberals hate capitalism, and endorse socialism....ObamaCare

4. Freedom of religion...hardly. The 'separation of Church and State' is the opposite of the words in the Constitution.


Modern Liberalism is actually socialism....the name changed by John Dewey.

Maybe we are getting our wires crossed, but where did i say any of the above. Here is the post I was responding to:

"... liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion."

I'm surprised at you.
One falsehood after another.

What did I say that you think was false?

"... liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion."

That's part of my sig line, here's a good place to start regarding true Liberalism and not the way it's being mischaracterized today by it's detractors:
Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Constitution has it's base on Liberalism, in my opinion it is the blue print of Liberalism (save the part where it didn't initially stop slavery) , the fact that it can be Amended means that it's signers and authors realized the need for change and changing times. They made that change somewhat difficult, so it can't be easily changed on someone's whim.

 

[Moonglow]

liberals create and facilitate poverty

Would poor people be better off if we ended Medicaid?

they did just fine before we created medicade. why? becuase they were incented to work. because they didn't come here looking for the free ride and easy handouts.

incented?

you mean they smelled good?

becuase

because

 

[Moonglow]

Another Birch Society PC thread attacking a dead man, and a hate fest on FDR. Yawn

 

[G.T.]

Whatever keeps your belly full .

.

My belly is a six pack because of all of the hard work and sweat that I put into maintaining my vessel.

My food comes from my labor, spare your cheesey baseless insults as if you know who you're talking to, ignoramus.

Bullshit.

You would't be supporting a gargantuan welfare/warfare state unless you are deriving some kind of benefit.

.

All I can say it that you're an idiot, but why? You already know that you're talking out your ass, so here....get this work

 

[PoliticalChic]

Another Birch Society PC thread attacking a dead man, and a hate fest on FDR. Yawn

You never miss an opportunity to miss the point.

This is not an attack on a dupe who allowed himself to be manipulated by mass-killer Joseph Stalin....

...it is a eulogy for the Constitution of the United States.


You recall the Constitution....don't you?



Did you recognize the homage in the OP?

 

[PoliticalChic]

In reality your data dump proves my point earlier...

...that Americans are working more and more to stay even, as evidenced for instance in the significant number of 2 earner households over the last 60 years.

Nowadays, in many more cases, both parents work to make ends meet when in the past 1 outside income could suffice.

1. Necessities cost the same as they did in 1960

2. Spending on recreation has increased

3. If more healthcare dollars are spent on heathcare, yet % drops every year....


....then folks must be earning more dollars than the rise in healthcare.

QED....costs are cut.


Is that over your head?

Is it that you don't understand what a dramatic rise in the number of 2 earner households is? That's going from 1 job per household to 2. Understand that?

That's a yes or no question.

Why is that your concern?

Is it your business why one would choose either a career, or to homeschool their children?

 

[Moonglow]

1.FDR ignored the Constitution

2. the people vote, Liberal judges throw out the result of the vote

3. Liberals hate capitalism, and endorse socialism....ObamaCare

4. Freedom of religion...hardly. The 'separation of Church and State' is the opposite of the words in the Constitution.


Modern Liberalism is actually socialism....the name changed by John Dewey.

Maybe we are getting our wires crossed, but where did i say any of the above. Here is the post I was responding to:

"... liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion."

I'm surprised at you.
One falsehood after another.

What did I say that you think was false?

"... liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion."

Don't forget less intrusive govt. and individual freedoms are paramount.

 

[Moonglow]

Another Birch Society PC thread attacking a dead man, and a hate fest on FDR. Yawn

You never miss an opportunity to miss the point.

This is not an attack on a dupe who allowed himself to be manipulated by mass-killer Joseph Stalin....

...it is a eulogy for the Constitution of the United States.


You recall the Constitution....don't you?



Did you recognize the homage in the OP?

Yes, the piece of paper which allowed slavery to flourish and gentry the right to elect the pres and vice president.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Another Birch Society PC thread attacking a dead man, and a hate fest on FDR. Yawn

You never miss an opportunity to miss the point.

This is not an attack on a dupe who allowed himself to be manipulated by mass-killer Joseph Stalin....

...it is a eulogy for the Constitution of the United States.


You recall the Constitution....don't you?



Did you recognize the homage in the OP?

Yes, the piece of paper which allowed slavery to flourish and gentry the right to elect the pres and vice president.

As you were the inspiration for this thread, I'll return the favor with a tutorial:

1. Usually, the ‘Founders’ refers to these six: Madison, Jefferson and Washington, Adams, Hamilton, and Franklin.

a. The three non-Southerners worked tirelessly against slavery.

b. While reading Ron Chernow’s book "Alexander Hamilton," I found out that Hamilton was a strong advocate for the abolition of slavery. During the 1780s, Hamilton was one of the founders of the New York Society for Promoting the Manumission of Slaves, which was instrumental in the abolition of slavery in the state of New York. After reading about Alexander Hamilton’s work for the New York Manumission Society, I gained a greater appreciation of Alexander Hamilton Alexander Hamilton and the New York Manumission Society | Angelolopez's Weblog

c. Many of the other Founding Fathers were activists like Alexander Hamilton. In 1787 Benjamin Franklin agree to serve as president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society, which set out to abolish slavery and set up programs to help freed slaves to become good citizens and improve the conditions of free African Americans. On February 12, 1790, Benjamin Franklin and the Pennsylvania Abolition Society presented a petition to the House of Representatives calling for the federal government to take steps for the gradual abolition of slavery and end the slave trade.

As a young lawyer, Thomas Jefferson represented a slave in court attempting to be set free and during the 1770s and 1780s, Jefferson had many several attempts to pass legislation to gradually abolish slavery and end the slave trade. John Jay was the first president of the New York Manumission Society and was active in Society’s efforts to abolish slavery. Ibid.



2. An excellent read on the matter is a brilliant book called Miracle in Philadelphia, by Catherine Drinker Bowen, which recounts the actual history and debates around the Constitutional Convention in 1787.

Slavery was a huge issue during that convention, and many of the Founding Fathers wanted it outlawed, but ran into an impasse after many hours of debate with the southern colonies whose agricultural productivity depended on it.

The Founders who wanted to set the stage for the abolition of slavery came up with a compromise involving the issue of apportionment.

The southern colonies that favored slavery wanted all residents of their states, slave and free, counted equally when it came to deciding how many seats they were going to receive in Congress. Some of the northern colonies, who mostly had few slaves and thus nothing to lose didn’t want slave residents counted at all.

The Founder’s compromise was to count each slave as 3/5 of a man for the purposes of apportionment, and when that passed after a great deal more debate and lobbying, legislators from the slave states were permanently limited to a minority. With that one stroke, the state was set for slavery’s eventual demise, and the proof of how effective it was came in 1804, when the slave states were powerless to stop Congress from outlawing the importation of slaves to the new nation.
The stage was set, even if it took 70 years and a bloody war.
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I hope you've gained a greater appreciation for the Constitution, the world's longest surviving national constitution, and the only document by which the people of the United States have acquiesced to be governed.




Now....if you can keep your pants up, perhaps you'd like to take a crack at the OP.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. Necessities cost the same as they did in 1960

2. Spending on recreation has increased

3. If more healthcare dollars are spent on heathcare, yet % drops every year....


....then folks must be earning more dollars than the rise in healthcare.

QED....costs are cut.


Is that over your head?

Is it that you don't understand what a dramatic rise in the number of 2 earner households is? That's going from 1 job per household to 2. Understand that?

That's a yes or no question.

Why is that your concern?

Is it your business why one would choose either a career, or to homeschool their children?

In the real world, most mothers don't work outside the home as a 'career choice'. They work to help make ends meet.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is it that you don't understand what a dramatic rise in the number of 2 earner households is? That's going from 1 job per household to 2. Understand that?

That's a yes or no question.

Why is that your concern?

Is it your business why one would choose either a career, or to homeschool their children?

In the real world, most mothers don't work outside the home as a 'career choice'. They work to help make ends meet.

And you know that.....how?

Feminism insisted on that as a choice.


Simone de Beauvoir in an interview with Betty Friedan said “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”
“Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p. 18.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why is that your concern?

Is it your business why one would choose either a career, or to homeschool their children?

In the real world, most mothers don't work outside the home as a 'career choice'. They work to help make ends meet.

And you know that.....how?

Feminism insisted on that as a choice.


Simone de Beauvoir in an interview with Betty Friedan said “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”
“Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p. 18.

Is that why conservatives opposed even UNPAID family leave for new mothers?

 

[PoliticalChic]

In the real world, most mothers don't work outside the home as a 'career choice'. They work to help make ends meet.

And you know that.....how?

Feminism insisted on that as a choice.


Simone de Beauvoir in an interview with Betty Friedan said “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”
“Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p. 18.

Is that why conservatives opposed even UNPAID family leave for new mothers?

Link?

 

[NYcarbineer]

And you know that.....how?

Feminism insisted on that as a choice.


Simone de Beauvoir in an interview with Betty Friedan said “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”
“Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p. 18.

Is that why conservatives opposed even UNPAID family leave for new mothers?

Link?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993

If you bother to look you'll see that most Republicans voted against it.

 

[Asclepias]

Not only is America still here its gotten better. For those that think otherwise, dont let fear rule your mind.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is that why conservatives opposed even UNPAID family leave for new mothers?

Link?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993

If you bother to look you'll see that most Republicans voted against it.

Love it!

Thanks for providing the link that proves your statement untrue.

You said:

"In the real world, most mothers don't work outside the home as a 'career choice'. They work to help make ends meet."


Now you gave a link that proves that one need not work "to help make ends meet."
They chose to be unpaid.....




As, I am sure, you've been told many times: You're your own worst enemy.....
...and your wisest decision.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not only is America still here its gotten better. For those that think otherwise, dont let fear rule your mind.

Those that realize the damage that FDR did to the nation actually have a mind.

Those that cannot see the truth post as you do, milky.