So Why Will Our Liberal Leaders Refuse To Televise Donald Trump? What Facts Could He Possibly Bring Up For The World To See?

[Redfish]

RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN​

“The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian effort to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak
information damaging to Hillary Clinton...”

“Moscow’s intent was to harm the Clinton Campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the U.S. democratic process.”

PAUL MANAFORT​

Paul Manafort, Trump’s one-time 2016 campaign chairman, engaged with a “Russian intelligence officer” named Konstantin Kilimnik and Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, with whom it said Moscow coordinates foreign influence operations.

“On numerous occasions, Manafort sought to secretly share internal Campaign information with Kilimnik...

“Manafort’s presence on the Campaign and proximity to Trump created opportunities for Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign.

“Taken as a whole, Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik and associates of Oleg Deripaska, represented a grave counterintelligence threat.”

CONTINUED INTERFERENCE EFFORTS​

Russian interference in U.S. politics has continued at least until January 2020.

The panel “observed numerous Russian-government actors from late 2016 until at least January 2020 consistently spreading overlapping false narratives which sought to discredit investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 elections and spread false information about the events of 2016.”

Manafort and Kilimnik specifically sought to promote the claim that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 election.

WIKILEAKS/ROGER STONE​

WikiLeaks published thousands of emails hacked from Clinton’s campaign and a top aide, sparking extensive negative media coverage about the Democratic nominee before the 2016 vote.


(full article online)

Factbox: Key findings from Senate inquiry into Russian interference in 2016 U.S. election

t - Below are key findings of the U.S. Senate intelligence committee's final report released on Tuesday about Russian efforts to influence the 2016 U.S presidential election in which Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Hillary Clinton.

www.reuters.com

Your proof that there was no Russia involvement is?????

just one question: why would Russia want Trump who they could not control over Hillary who they had in their pocket and could blackmail into doing whatever they wanted?

 

[Sixties Fan]

voter fraud in the swing states has been proven and people have gone to jail for it. Would a true vote count change the result? Sadly we shall never know. But bask in the glory of senile old joe boy as he stumbles and mumbles us into a nuclear war. you idiots asked for it, but we will all get it due to your stupidity.

Post the sources.
I know of a few Republicans who committed fraud during the election voting twice and went to jail.

There is no nuclear war. Putin is doing nothing but bluffing to scare the US and Nato from helping Ukraine which is gratefully winning many battles and sending the Russians back where they belong.

See only what you want, because some sources enjoy exaggerating everything, and here you are, and many others, who come her and cry a Greek Tragedy on the rest of the posters.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Your proof that there was no Russia involvement is?????

Who are you asking that said there was no Russian involvement?

Russia has been involved in American politics since the Soviet Union heavily influenced the American labor movement in the twenties. There was so much foreign involvement in the Obama campaign that Obama refused matching funds in order not to have to reveal his donors.

 

[Sixties Fan]

just one question: why would Russia want Trump who they could not control over Hillary who they had in their pocket and could blackmail into doing whatever they wanted?

[ Putin did not want Hilary because she was against Putin. You got it the other way around thanks to the sources you choose to read, listen to. Learn History.]


When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave “a signal” to demonstrators working “with the support of the U.S. State Department” to undermine his power. “We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,” Putin declared.

Five years later, Putin may be seeking revenge against Clinton. At least that’s the implication of the view among some cybersecurity experts that Russia was behind the recent hack of the Democratic National Committee’s email server, which has sowed confusion and dissent at the Democratic National Convention and undercut Clinton’s goal of party unity.

While Donald Trump’s budding bromance with Vladimir Putin is well known — the two men have exchanged admiring words about each other and called for improved relations between Washington and Moscow — Putin’s hostility towards Clinton draws less attention.

Former U.S. officials who worked on Russia policy with Clinton say that Putin was personally stung by Clinton’s December 2011 condemnation of Russia’s parliamentary elections, and had his anger communicated directly to President Barack Obama. They say Putin and his advisers are also keenly aware that, even as she executed Obama’s “reset” policy with Russia, Clinton took a harder line toward Moscow than others in the administration. And they say Putin sees Clinton as a forceful proponent of “regime change” policies that the Russian leader considers a grave threat to his own survival.

“He was very upset [with Clinton] and continued to be for the rest of the time that I was in government,” said Michael McFaul, who served as the top Russia official in Obama’s national security council from 2009 to December 2011 and then was U.S. ambassador to Moscow until early 2014. “One could speculate that this is his moment for payback.”

(full article online

Why Putin hates Hillary

Behind the allegations of a Russian hack of the DNC is the Kremlin leader's fury at Clinton for challenging the fairness of Russian elections.

www.politico.com

Show me your research.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Who are you asking that said there was no Russian involvement?

Russia has been involved in American politics since the Soviet Union heavily influenced the American labor movement in the twenties. There was so much foreign involvement in the Obama campaign that Obama refused matching funds in order not to have to reveal his donors.

Show me your sources

 

[Sixties Fan]

Now, let us go back to the topic of the thread.

Will Trump get his live tv hearing?

 

[SeaMajor7]

Show me your sources

Interviewer: The Soviets use the phase, “ideological subversion”. What do they mean by that?


Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do, all the American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There’s no mystery. There’s nothing to do with espionage. I know espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more deodorants through their advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all! According to my opinion, and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, (2 Russian words, активные something, I couldn’t catch it) in the language of the KGB, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality of every American to such as extent that in spite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.
It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already, for the last 25 years, actually it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is being done by Americans to Americans thanks to a lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he’s going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crushes his, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.
https://www.jamesjpn.net/conspiracy/testimonial-of-former-kgb-agent-the-4-stages-of-
subverting-a-nation/



The Reality of Red Subversion
The Recent Confirmation of Soviet Espionage in America
STEPHEN J. SNIEGOSKI • SEPTEMBER 1, 2003

In an apparent effort to illustrate political simple-mindedness, Carroll Quigley derisively wrote in his noted (at least by the John Birch Society) Tragedy and Hope, that the “same groups who were howling about Soviet espionage in 1948-1955 were also claiming that President Roosevelt expected and wanted Pearl Harbor.”[1] In a previous contribution to The Occidental Quarterly, I dealt with the latter; here I will do some “howling” about the former. According to what until recently has passed as conventional wisdom for the liberal establishment, America in the late 1940s and early 1950s was gripped by a terrible Red scare, a period of anti-Communist hysteria and witch hunts. Malicious “red-baiters” slandered innocent liberals as Communists in order to destroy the reforms of the New Deal and impede peace with the Soviet Union. At most, some of the more “anti-Communist” liberals would concede that there may have been a few Communist subversives, but nothing to justify the terrible anti-Communist overreaction, above all the antics of the demagogic Joe McCarthy. From the 1960s through the 1980s, one of the strongest taboos in American political discourse was the subject of Soviet influence within the United States.

During the 1990s, the release of the Venona documents (see p. 49) by the U.S. government and the partial opening of the Soviet archives forced establishment minds to a reconsideration. Yes, Virginia, there really were Communist spies in the United States during the so-called “McCarthy era.” In fact, it now appears that even the slandered and smeared “red-baiters” of the period were unaware of just how far Soviet Communist subversion had penetrated. It must be added that even during the period of the so-called “witch hunt” there was more than enough evidence to prove the reality of Soviet Communist spying to any objective person. But, of course, if one is going to pass for an “educated,” “respectable” person, objective thinking must be eschewed—it’s simply not a Darwinian survival trait in modern America.

From Lenin onward Soviet Communist leaders have preached the necessity of underground activities, with foreign governments the key target for infiltration. The evidence for this from many countries is overwhelming. Communists in government engaged in espionage and acted to influence policy in a pro-Soviet direction. Many of the individuals engaged in these activities were Communist Party members; others were fellow travelers, who despite their lack of party discipline, sought to advance the interests of Soviet Communism.

The Reality of Red Subversion
____________________________________________

TODAY we are witnessing the manifestation of ALL THE ABOVE Marxist creep that has been happening here over the last 80 some odd years, and they got YOU real good!

 

[schmidlap]

Maybe you can explain - as the FBI cannot - why Epps is not charged with anything?

Whenever there is no credible evidence of an American committing a crime, he is not indicted.

Americans seem to like it that way, and so not one RINO of Trumpery politician or prosecutor anywhere is screeching "Lock him up! Lock him up!"

Epps, then 60 years of age, was the owner of the Knotty Barn, a wedding and event venue, in Queen Creek, Arizona. He is also a retired U.S. Marine. He was a TrumpHump, listed as the president of the Arizona chapter of the Oath Keepers.

There is a video of Epps, the night before the Trump goons' attack on the Capitol, telling a crowd, "Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol. Into the Capitol. Peaceably! Peacefully! We are freedom, we are peaceful. That’s what its about. It’s not about hurting people.”

From the available footage, it appears that Epps was in attendance at the rally but that he did not go into the Capitol or engage in any violence. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that Epps is a federal agent or that he was working with the government.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Interviewer: The Soviets use the phase, “ideological subversion”. What do they mean by that?


Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do, all the American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There’s no mystery. There’s nothing to do with espionage. I know espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more deodorants through their advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all! According to my opinion, and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, (2 Russian words, активные something, I couldn’t catch it) in the language of the KGB, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality of every American to such as extent that in spite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.
It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already, for the last 25 years, actually it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is being done by Americans to Americans thanks to a lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he’s going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crushes his, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.
https://www.jamesjpn.net/conspiracy/testimonial-of-former-kgb-agent-the-4-stages-of-
subverting-a-nation/



The Reality of Red Subversion
The Recent Confirmation of Soviet Espionage in America
STEPHEN J. SNIEGOSKI • SEPTEMBER 1, 2003

In an apparent effort to illustrate political simple-mindedness, Carroll Quigley derisively wrote in his noted (at least by the John Birch Society) Tragedy and Hope, that the “same groups who were howling about Soviet espionage in 1948-1955 were also claiming that President Roosevelt expected and wanted Pearl Harbor.”[1] In a previous contribution to The Occidental Quarterly, I dealt with the latter; here I will do some “howling” about the former. According to what until recently has passed as conventional wisdom for the liberal establishment, America in the late 1940s and early 1950s was gripped by a terrible Red scare, a period of anti-Communist hysteria and witch hunts. Malicious “red-baiters” slandered innocent liberals as Communists in order to destroy the reforms of the New Deal and impede peace with the Soviet Union. At most, some of the more “anti-Communist” liberals would concede that there may have been a few Communist subversives, but nothing to justify the terrible anti-Communist overreaction, above all the antics of the demagogic Joe McCarthy. From the 1960s through the 1980s, one of the strongest taboos in American political discourse was the subject of Soviet influence within the United States.

During the 1990s, the release of the Venona documents (see p. 49) by the U.S. government and the partial opening of the Soviet archives forced establishment minds to a reconsideration. Yes, Virginia, there really were Communist spies in the United States during the so-called “McCarthy era.” In fact, it now appears that even the slandered and smeared “red-baiters” of the period were unaware of just how far Soviet Communist subversion had penetrated. It must be added that even during the period of the so-called “witch hunt” there was more than enough evidence to prove the reality of Soviet Communist spying to any objective person. But, of course, if one is going to pass for an “educated,” “respectable” person, objective thinking must be eschewed—it’s simply not a Darwinian survival trait in modern America.

From Lenin onward Soviet Communist leaders have preached the necessity of underground activities, with foreign governments the key target for infiltration. The evidence for this from many countries is overwhelming. Communists in government engaged in espionage and acted to influence policy in a pro-Soviet direction. Many of the individuals engaged in these activities were Communist Party members; others were fellow travelers, who despite their lack of party discipline, sought to advance the interests of Soviet Communism.

The Reality of Red Subversion
____________________________________________

TODAY we are witnessing the manifestation of ALL THE ABOVE Marxist creep that has been happening here over the last 80 some odd years, and they got YOU real good!

Could I get a non Partisan source, please. This is your source:

Ron Unz - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Ron_Unz




Ronald Keeva Unz is an American technology entrepreneur, political activist, writer, and publisher. A former businessman, Unz became a multi-millionaire in ...
Political party: Republican
Born: Ronald Keeva Unz; September 20, 1961 ...
Education: Harvard University; ‎University of C...‎
‎Early life and career · ‎Political career · ‎Writing and publishing · ‎The Unz Review

 

[schmidlap]

Will Trump get his live tv hearing?

He has been invited to testify under oath before The United States House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.

I'm sure that his testimony would attract widespread media coverage. However, the legal obligation to tell the truth will compel him to decline the generous offer.

His blowing gas at his grievance jamborees and on fake media sites risk no charges of perjury.

 

[rightwinger]

Jan 6 was organized and encouraged by the FBI, the DC mayor, and Pelosi using the capital police as pawns.

<sob> It wasn’t Trump or the Republicans

It was the DEEP STATE, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, the Media, ANTIFA, BLM!
It was an “Inside Job” by the FBI and Hillary!
Obama planned the whole thing

 

[SeaMajor7]

Could I get a non Partisan source, please. This is your source:

Ron Unz - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Ron_Unz




Ronald Keeva Unz is an American technology entrepreneur, political activist, writer, and publisher. A former businessman, Unz became a multi-millionaire in ...
Political party: Republican
Born: Ronald Keeva Unz; September 20, 1961 ...
Education: Harvard University; ‎University of C...‎
‎Early life and career · ‎Political career · ‎Writing and publishing · ‎The Unz Review

Typical deflection. You're going to have to refute the cited information, not the publisher.
And you totally ignored Yuri, lol

 

[Sixties Fan]

Typical deflection. You're going to have to refute the cited information, not the publisher.
And you totally ignored Yuri, lol

I posted an answer/source countering a poster who accused Hilary Clinton of being in the pocket of Putin and the Russians.

Your post does not even mention Clinton, much less shows any proof that she was in the pocket of Putin/Russia at any time.

 

[22lcidw]

Post the sources.
I know of a few Republicans who committed fraud during the election voting twice and went to jail.

There is no nuclear war. Putin is doing nothing but bluffing to scare the US and Nato from helping Ukraine which is gratefully winning many battles and sending the Russians back where they belong.

See only what you want, because some sources enjoy exaggerating everything, and here you are, and many others, who come her and cry a Greek Tragedy on the rest of the posters.

I trust Putin more than Whoopie Goldberg.

 

[j-mac]

Now, let us go back to the topic of the thread.

Will Trump get his live tv hearing?

No.

Not because of any of the smears liberals are throwing around in here to troll, but rather because the subpoena was, is, and will go down as a sham....These people know that their time is up...They have less than 25 days until power in the house is lost, and their committee is disbanded....This was a stunt...Nothing more.

 

[j-mac]

I posted an answer/source countering a poster who accused Hilary Clinton of being in the pocket of Putin and the Russians.

Your post does not even mention Clinton, much less shows any proof that she was in the pocket of Putin/Russia at any time.

Inside the Clinton dossier and the con behind the Russiagate scandal

The nation argued for years over the infamous Steele dossier, the document on which the FBI relied to probe Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign. It should have been dubbed the Clinton dossier, Kimberly A.…

nypost.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

I trust Putin more than Whoopie Goldberg.

There is not James Japan, as in the link the poster above gave.

That is an 1985 interview.

It fits more what the Republican Party has gone through, especially in the past 20 years, with the Tea Party and then Trump, than with anything that has to do with the Democratic Party and the Democratic Presidents.

That article comes more from religious fanatics than from any other kind of person. The Evangelicals have a strong hand on the Republican Party.

This is what the last paragraph of the article says and it is very telling, for those who can process it:

"I posting this in the hope maybe it will help a few individuals to wake up to reality. My hope is to inspire others to start doing their own research to see whether these things be true or not. You can start by reading the first three chapters of the book of Genesis of the Holy Bible. When you understand its meaning, and you’ll be more knowledgeable about the important truths of life than people with a doctorate degree from any of the most prestigious universities in the world!"

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So, basically Yuri was talking about what was done in Russia.

The poster wants to make believe that it is happening here, but on the Democratic side, since so many posters tend to call Democrats Communists.



They cannot show any proof of it. It is the endless way of using words, allegations, accusations to delegitimize the opposite group, as it has been done for the past 6 years by Trump and those in Congress and followers of his ideas.


I am still not seeing ANY proof of subversion on the Democratic side, and MUCH LESS of Hilary Clinton being in the pocket of Putin and Russia at any time as First Lady, Secretary of State or Candidate for the Presidency of the USA.


Where is the evidence?

 

[SeaMajor7]

There is not James Japan, as in the link the poster above gave.

That is an 1985 interview.

It fits more what the Republican Party has gone through, especially in the past 20 years, with the Tea Party and then Trump, than with anything that has to do with the Democratic Party and the Democratic Presidents.

That article comes more from religious fanatics than from any other kind of person. The Evangelicals have a strong hand on the Republican Party.

This is what the last paragraph of the article says and it is very telling, for those who can process it:

"I posting this in the hope maybe it will help a few individuals to wake up to reality. My hope is to inspire others to start doing their own research to see whether these things be true or not. You can start by reading the first three chapters of the book of Genesis of the Holy Bible. When you understand its meaning, and you’ll be more knowledgeable about the important truths of life than people with a doctorate degree from any of the most prestigious universities in the world!"

-----------------

So, basically Yuri was talking about what was done in Russia.

The poster wants to make believe that it is happening here, but on the Democratic side, since so many posters tend to call Democrats Communists.



They cannot show any proof of it. It is the endless way of using words, allegations, accusations to delegitimize the opposite group, as it has been done for the past 6 years by Trump and those in Congress and followers of his ideas.


I am still not seeing ANY proof of subversion on the Democratic side, and MUCH LESS of Hilary Clinton being in the pocket of Putin and Russia at any time as First Lady, Secretary of State or Candidate for the Presidency of the USA.


Where is the evidence?

You and the rest of the demented avenger subverted demoralized zombies is the evidence of the Marxist subversion of the United States.
Thanks for the demonstration!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Inside the Clinton dossier and the con behind the Russiagate scandal

The nation argued for years over the infamous Steele dossier, the document on which the FBI relied to probe Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign. It should have been dubbed the Clinton dossier, Kimberly A.…

nypost.com

It does not answer the allegation that Clinton was in Putin's pocket.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You and the rest of the demented avenger subverted demoralized zombies is the evidence of the Marxist subversion of the United States.
Thanks for the demonstration!

Allegations and accusations are not proof.

You have no proof because there is none.

Accusing others of being Marxist, etc, comes from the sources you choose to read and listen to. Nothing else.

Where is the BEEF?

Where is the PROOF?

It does not exist, because all of your accusations are false.