So why doesn't Zelensky simply say there will be no NATO bases in Ukraine and end the war?

[munkle]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

 

[0311]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

Who the fuck is Pooptin to tell Zelensky what nations he can have security agreements with.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

Because...that won't end the war.
^Shrug^.

 

[TimFitz]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

Because that's not what the Russians really want. They want to conquer Ukraine.

And Trump is now their official ally.

It's a disgrace. But disgrace comes naturally to Donald Trump.

 

[22lcidw]

Because...that won't end the war.
^Shrug^.

Ukraine is Russia's sphere of influence.

 

[TimFitz]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

He also told Witkoff that the Russians were not intrested in a cease fire or a peace deal.

Lavrov repeated it to Rubio in Saudi Arabia.

Trump came away with nothing.

He reacted by setting up Zelinsky for an ambush on global television, in which Trump blew up his own deal (not the first time for Trump).

Ever since, he has overtly backed Putin, in public comments and in actions (freezing funding, cutting off intelligence).

Trump's clear objective, in service to his Russian masters, is to try and weaken and undermine Ukraine at every step, hoping they will cave to whatever bad deal they get presented with.

 

[TimFitz]

Ukraine is Russia's sphere of influence.

Telll that to Kiev.

 

[struth]

Who the fuck is Pooptin to tell Zelensky what nations he can have security agreements with.

He’s the guy bombiibg the hell out of his country that’s who he is

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Who the fuck is Pooptin to tell Zelensky what nations he can have security agreements with.

Who the fuck was Kennedy telling Castro what nations he can have security agreements with.

 

[Marener]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

Putin has a LOT more conditions than that, silly.

 

[munkle]

Who the fuck was Kennedy telling Castro what nations he can have security agreements with.

Zackly.

 

[struth]

Who the fuck was Kennedy telling Castro what nations he can have security agreements with.

He was the leader of the super power right beside Cuba and thus able to creste a blockade

 

[munkle]

Putin has a LOT more conditions than that, silly.

Sure. Like no massacring the Russian speakers in Ukraine.

 

[Kruska]

Ukraine is Russia's sphere of influence.

Say's who?

I couldn't remember, no matter how hard I try, that the USA and NATO gave a shit about Iraq claiming that Kuwait is their zone of influence aka belongs to them - ignoring previous colonialist border impositions.

Now imagine Iraq having possessed nukes at the time !! - so much for Desert Storm?? or....?

 

[Marener]

Sure. Like no massacring the Russian speakers in Ukraine.

Ah, good old internet conspiracies. Not like Russia massacred any Ukrainians or anything.

 

[struth]

Say's who?

I couldn't remember, no matter how hard I try, that the USA and NATO gave a shit about Iraq claiming that Kuwait is their zone of influence aka belongs to them - ignoring previous colonialist border impositions.

Now imagine Iraq having possessed nukes at the time !! - so much for Desert Storm?? or....?

Yes had Iraq been a nuclear power things would of been very different

 

[Kruska]

Who the fuck was Kennedy telling Castro what nations he can have security agreements with.

One could also state:
All Kennedy achieved was to retract US nukes from Turkey and Italy in exchange - so what does Ukraine get for it's "exchange" ?

 

[Kruska]

Yes had Iraq been a nuclear power things would of been very different

That's where you and I differ essentially

NO WAY - the USA would have accepted a nuclear threat by Iraq. Just as they hadn't accepted a nuclear threat by the SU via Cuba.

So why does Trump play into Putin's hands? - and pleeeease don't tell me because he want's to end the war.

 

[struth]

That's where you and I differ essentially

NO WAY - the USA would have accepted a nuclear threat by Iraq. Just as they hadn't accepted a nuclear threat by the SU via Cuba.

So why does Trump play into Putin's hands?

Huh? What was Putib position on Iraq? Russia actually joined in against Iraq

 

[Slade3200]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

Why would he compromise the future security of his country for a “cease fire” from a guy who has attacked is country and lied to him for the past three years?