So "waterboarding" is bad even though a plot be revealed..but OK to breach iPhone privacy?

[healthmyths]

Which is worse Apple refusing to unlock to find out potential terrorist attack?

The fines and punishments that Apple could face by continuing to defy the FBI's demand that it help unlock the iPhone of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook are considerable, even by the standards of one of the richest companies in the world.
From Fines To Jail Time: How Apple Could Be Punished For Defying FBI

Or waterboarding a terrorist to unlock potential terrorist attack.
In August 2002 and March 2003, in its war on terror, the George W. Bush administration, through Jay S. Bybee, the Office of Legal Counsel, Department of Justice, issued what became known as the Torture Memos after being leaked in 2004.[12] These legal opinions (including the 2002 Bybee memo) argued for a narrow definition of torture under US law. The first three were addressed to the CIA, which took them as authority to use the described enhanced interrogation techniques (more generally classified as torture)[citation needed] on detainees classified as enemy combatants.
Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you support waterboarding Tim Cook until he gives up the I-phone info?

 

[NYcarbineer]

This to me is an open and shut case of probable cause and reasonable belief that a search is warranted -

Apple is in the wrong.

 

[SwimExpert]

This to me is an open and shut case of probable cause and reasonable belief that a search is warranted -

Apple is in the wrong.

So, conduct the search. There is no justification for the government forcing Apple to conduct the search for them.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This to me is an open and shut case of probable cause and reasonable belief that a search is warranted -

Apple is in the wrong.

So, conduct the search. There is no justification for the government forcing Apple to conduct the search for them.

Apple is effectively hiding the contents of the phone.

 

[SwimExpert]

This to me is an open and shut case of probable cause and reasonable belief that a search is warranted -

Apple is in the wrong.

So, conduct the search. There is no justification for the government forcing Apple to conduct the search for them.

Apple is effectively hiding the contents of the phone.

No they aren't. The government has the phone in their possession. They can hack away any time they like.

 

[rightwinger]

Breaching Iphones is not recognized as torture

 

[amrchaos]

Breaching Iphones is not recognized as torture

No, it is labor intensive.Hence Apples reference to creating new Software.

If it was so easy, let Homeland Security hack it. They hack everything else.

 

[Moonglow]

Breaching Iphones is not recognized as torture

It is to an Iphone owner..

 

[healthmyths]

Breaching Iphones is not recognized as torture

So you are against the gaining of life saving information of a known terrorist BUT it is OK to put millions of iPhone users at risk by exposing them to
hackers,stalkers, etc. yea that sounds like the mentality of people that say it's ok to let people die after age 75 while letting butchers
sell baby parts!

Oh by the way the comment about over age 75 ... from the archiect of Obamacare and brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel,
EZEKIEL EMANUEL: One of the big American beliefs is this thing called compression of morbidity. That, you know, we're just going to be healthy, healthy, healthy, fall off the cliff, and we won't have any disability.

The reality is, that hasn't been, in the last 25 years, the way it's gone. Disabilities increase every time we live longer. Then there's Alzheimer's. At 85, between a third and half of the people have Alzheimer's. Does that sound so desirable to you to live to 100?
Obamacare Architect Ezekiel Emanuel: 75 An Ideal Age To Die

 

[rightwinger]

Breaching Iphones is not recognized as torture

So you are against the gaining of life saving information of a known terrorist BUT it is OK to put millions of iPhone users at risk by exposing them to
hackers,stalkers, etc. yea that sounds like the mentality of people that say it's ok to let people die after age 75 while letting butchers
sell baby parts!

Oh by the way the comment about over age 75 ... from the archiect of Obamacare and brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel,
EZEKIEL EMANUEL: One of the big American beliefs is this thing called compression of morbidity. That, you know, we're just going to be healthy, healthy, healthy, fall off the cliff, and we won't have any disability.

The reality is, that hasn't been, in the last 25 years, the way it's gone. Disabilities increase every time we live longer. Then there's Alzheimer's. At 85, between a third and half of the people have Alzheimer's. Does that sound so desirable to you to live to 100?
Obamacare Architect Ezekiel Emanuel: 75 An Ideal Age To Die

Have you always been such a drama queen?

Were you this way when you were a child or did it develop as you adopted conservative values?

 

[healthmyths]

Breaching Iphones is not recognized as torture

So you are against the gaining of life saving information of a known terrorist BUT it is OK to put millions of iPhone users at risk by exposing them to
hackers,stalkers, etc. yea that sounds like the mentality of people that say it's ok to let people die after age 75 while letting butchers
sell baby parts!

Oh by the way the comment about over age 75 ... from the archiect of Obamacare and brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel,
EZEKIEL EMANUEL: One of the big American beliefs is this thing called compression of morbidity. That, you know, we're just going to be healthy, healthy, healthy, fall off the cliff, and we won't have any disability.

The reality is, that hasn't been, in the last 25 years, the way it's gone. Disabilities increase every time we live longer. Then there's Alzheimer's. At 85, between a third and half of the people have Alzheimer's. Does that sound so desirable to you to live to 100?
Obamacare Architect Ezekiel Emanuel: 75 An Ideal Age To Die

Have you always been such a drama queen?

Were you this way when you were a child or did it develop as you adopted conservative values?

What the hell does my comment have to do with "a person who habitually responds to situations in a melodramatic way."?

Add something constructive to the discourse or go play with the other juveniles that only respond with idiotic name calling.

 

[rightwinger]

Breaching Iphones is not recognized as torture

So you are against the gaining of life saving information of a known terrorist BUT it is OK to put millions of iPhone users at risk by exposing them to
hackers,stalkers, etc. yea that sounds like the mentality of people that say it's ok to let people die after age 75 while letting butchers
sell baby parts!

Oh by the way the comment about over age 75 ... from the archiect of Obamacare and brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel,
EZEKIEL EMANUEL: One of the big American beliefs is this thing called compression of morbidity. That, you know, we're just going to be healthy, healthy, healthy, fall off the cliff, and we won't have any disability.

The reality is, that hasn't been, in the last 25 years, the way it's gone. Disabilities increase every time we live longer. Then there's Alzheimer's. At 85, between a third and half of the people have Alzheimer's. Does that sound so desirable to you to live to 100?
Obamacare Architect Ezekiel Emanuel: 75 An Ideal Age To Die

Have you always been such a drama queen?

Were you this way when you were a child or did it develop as you adopted conservative values?

What the hell does my comment have to do with "a person who habitually responds to situations in a melodramatic way."?

Add something constructive to the discourse or go play with the other juveniles that only respond with idiotic name calling.

No....Drama Queen is the correct description

Had your Snickers today?

 

[healthmyths]

Just to be clear...
When waterboarding was used to get information about possible terrorist attacks all sorts of chest beating "this is torture" moans and groans were heard.
Regardless of how many lives could have been at risk... some people thought waterboarding was wrong. Others like me said hey do whatever it takes to save lives.

Today Apple is asked to open millions of iPhones to potential rapists, stalkers, predators, killers. All to find out about ONE phone.

Where is the same concern about those millions of iPhone users lives?

More importantly though is the FBI that inept that the ONLY way they can find out if more attacks may occur from what is on this ONE phone?
For shame. If they can't do it we have some extensive house-cleaning at the FBI... or just waterboard some of those that are being charged with complicity!