So this guy from Chicago, shows up at a Florida Convenience store showing the clerk he has a gun. Clerk shows robber his gun. Yeah for 2nd amend.

[Devils_Advocate]

Holy Shit, you trot out the Kellerman Study, and they all go fucking nuts.



No, I'm scared one might shoot up a theater or a shopping mall or a parade because we let crazy people buy guns.



Europe is further to the left than we are and they have NOWHERE near our crime levels.


Hey, here's how you prove it's a lie. Actually do the study over again, and see if you come up with a different result.

You won't. Kellerman repeated the study in several cities and came up with the same result.



Okay, but here's the thing. Distracted driving is against the law. Cops see you with a Cell phone, they'll give you a ticket.



Funny, you guys don't feel the same way about abortion, gay marriage, drugs...


Why am I not surprised.

And yet the driver doesn’t care.

 

[JoeB131]

And that is a lie, you know it is a lie. The guy who actually did the research and came up with that number retracted it and did the study over....you lying asshat.....

You can spooge that all day, but the fact is, guns in the home are more likely to kill someone in the household.

The problem is you keep trying to pretend we shouldn't count the suicides.

 

[Anathema]

Why am I not surprised

Why would you be surprised? My guns are useful and don’t drain my resources unnecessarily. The same can’t be said for most of the relatives who live near me.,

 

[Hollie]

Holy Shit, you trot out the Kellerman Study, and they all go fucking nuts.



No, I'm scared one might shoot up a theater or a shopping mall or a parade because we let crazy people buy guns.



Europe is further to the left than we are and they have NOWHERE near our crime levels.


Hey, here's how you prove it's a lie. Actually do the study over again, and see if you come up with a different result.

You won't. Kellerman repeated the study in several cities and came up with the same result.



Okay, but here's the thing. Distracted driving is against the law. Cops see you with a Cell phone, they'll give you a ticket.



Funny, you guys don't feel the same way about abortion, gay marriage, drugs...


Why am I not surprised.

Nowhere in Europe is there a government with a Second Amendment. Socialist Europe is far more authoritarian / leftist than the US so you're making nonsensical comparisons.

 

[JoeB131]

Nowhere in Europe is there a government with a Second Amendment.

Exactly, they would never do anything that fucking stupid as to word a militia amendment in a way to let every idiot who wants a gun have a gun.

Socialist Europe is far more authoritarian / leftist than the US so you're making nonsensical comparisons.

Is it? How many people do we have in prison compared to any European Country.
How many Americans are shot dead by their own police compared to European countries?

 

[themirrorthief]

Or we recognize a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a criminal...

solution abort your kids so they cant grow up and shoot you...see this democrat logic is working on me

 

[themirrorthief]

Holy Shit, you trot out the Kellerman Study, and they all go fucking nuts.



No, I'm scared one might shoot up a theater or a shopping mall or a parade because we let crazy people buy guns.



Europe is further to the left than we are and they have NOWHERE near our crime levels.


Hey, here's how you prove it's a lie. Actually do the study over again, and see if you come up with a different result.

You won't. Kellerman repeated the study in several cities and came up with the same result.



Okay, but here's the thing. Distracted driving is against the law. Cops see you with a Cell phone, they'll give you a ticket.



Funny, you guys don't feel the same way about abortion, gay marriage, drugs...


Why am I not surprised.

livng in a socialist nation is a crime

 

[Hollie]

Exactly, they would never do anything that fucking stupid as to word a militia amendment in a way to let every idiot who wants a gun have a gun.



Is it? How many people do we have in prison compared to any European Country.
How many Americans are shot dead by their own police compared to European countries?

Um, not everyone here in the Great Satan who wants a gun gets a gun. You make these hysterical outbursts, outrageous claims that make no sense.

Perhaps you would prefer the Swedish model where bombings and hand grenade tossing are all the rage.

 

[JoeB131]

Um, not everyone here in the Great Satan who wants a gun gets a gun. You make these hysterical outbursts, outrageous claims that make no sense.

Really? Because it seems every time we have a mass shooting, we find out two things.

1) Everyone in that person's life knew they were nuts.
2) They had absolutely no problem getting a gun.

Now, I live in Illinois, which the Ammosexuals consistently whine has the "toughest gun laws in the country". So I recently applied for a FOID card. Which consisted of me pinky-swearing on line that I didn't have a criminal record or history of mental illness, and paying a whooping $11.00 processing fee.

Compare that to when I applied for my latest mortgage or got my last job, where they DID do thorough background checks, even though I had gotten mortgages and jobs previously. They still bothered to check everything and ask questions.

Perhaps you would prefer the Swedish model where bombings and hand grenade tossing are all the rage.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00258024211025228

Data, including all explosion-related deaths in Sweden from 2000 through 2018, were retrieved from the register of the National Board of Forensic Medicine. Among all 87 cases found, accidental deaths accounted for 62%, suicides for 21%, homicides for 7% and undetermined manner of death for the remaining 10% of cases.

Wow, so they had a whooping 87 deaths between 2000 and 2018.

Compared to the 43,000 deaths by gun we have in this country every year.

 

[Hollie]

Really? Because it seems every time we have a mass shooting, we find out two things.

1) Everyone in that person's life knew they were nuts.
2) They had absolutely no problem getting a gun.

Now, I live in Illinois, which the Ammosexuals consistently whine has the "toughest gun laws in the country". So I recently applied for a FOID card. Which consisted of me pinky-swearing on line that I didn't have a criminal record or history of mental illness, and paying a whooping $11.00 processing fee.

Compare that to when I applied for my latest mortgage or got my last job, where they DID do thorough background checks, even though I had gotten mortgages and jobs previously. They still bothered to check everything and ask questions.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00258024211025228

Data, including all explosion-related deaths in Sweden from 2000 through 2018, were retrieved from the register of the National Board of Forensic Medicine. Among all 87 cases found, accidental deaths accounted for 62%, suicides for 21%, homicides for 7% and undetermined manner of death for the remaining 10% of cases.

Wow, so they had a whooping 87 deaths between 2000 and 2018.

Compared to the 43,000 deaths by gun we have in this country every year.

So, yes. Your frantic claim that everyone who wants a gun gets a gun is just nonsense.

Firearms Checks (NICS) | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) conducts background checks on people who want to own a firearm or explosive, as required by law.

www.fbi.gov

"Since launching in 1998, more than 300 million checks have been done, leading to more than 1.5 million denials."



Odd. It appears that Sweden needs an assault bomb ban. That should work well as obviously an assault bomb ban would prevent those radical Swedish housewives from tearing up the city.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50339977.amp

"Swedish police are dealing with unprecedented levels of attacks, targeting city centre locations too. The bomb squad was called to deal with 97 explosions in the first nine months of this year."

Bombs and blood feuds: the wave of explosions rocking Sweden’s cities

Incidents involving explosives have risen to crisis levels in a country where the crime rate is low

www.theguardian.com

According to data released this month by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention, there were 257 crimes involving explosives in the country last year, a 60% rise on 2018. Gangland shootings are also shockingly high, with 320 reported last year, 41 of them fatal. As recently as Tuesday, there were twin explosions in two apartment buildings in a Stockholm suburb. The last blast in Malmö was on 10 January.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Um, not everyone here in the Great Satan who wants a gun gets a gun. You make these hysterical outbursts, outrageous claims that make no sense.

This is why the board includes an ignore function.

 

[2aguy]

You can spooge that all day, but the fact is, guns in the home are more likely to kill someone in the household.

The problem is you keep trying to pretend we shouldn't count the suicides.

Yeah...no...if you aren't a criminal, an alcolholic, a drug user or domestic abuser, guns aren't a problem.........

600 million guns in the U.S.

Over 21.5 million AMericans can legally carry guns for self defense

average of about 10,000 gun murders a year when the democrats aren't destroying the local police and then releasing violent gun offenders over and over again, which they have been doing since 2015.....

70-80% of gun murder victims are not normal people...they are criminals, friends and family of criminals.......

We don't have a gun problem in the U.S.....we have a democrat party problem.....

 

[2aguy]

Really? Because it seems every time we have a mass shooting, we find out two things.

1) Everyone in that person's life knew they were nuts.
2) They had absolutely no problem getting a gun.

Now, I live in Illinois, which the Ammosexuals consistently whine has the "toughest gun laws in the country". So I recently applied for a FOID card. Which consisted of me pinky-swearing on line that I didn't have a criminal record or history of mental illness, and paying a whooping $11.00 processing fee.

Compare that to when I applied for my latest mortgage or got my last job, where they DID do thorough background checks, even though I had gotten mortgages and jobs previously. They still bothered to check everything and ask questions.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00258024211025228

Data, including all explosion-related deaths in Sweden from 2000 through 2018, were retrieved from the register of the National Board of Forensic Medicine. Among all 87 cases found, accidental deaths accounted for 62%, suicides for 21%, homicides for 7% and undetermined manner of death for the remaining 10% of cases.

Wow, so they had a whooping 87 deaths between 2000 and 2018.

Compared to the 43,000 deaths by gun we have in this country every year.

They did a federal background check on you, you idiot.....it came back clean. You guys wanted the Federal Background checks, you got them, so you now want more.........

 

[Silent Warrior]

Now, I live in Illinois,

Good, now please stay there and don't pollute the rest of the country with your wacked out logic. Your have been proven wrong on this thread time and again, but just come back spouting nonsense, made up figures and continue with your "I don't care about facts, I know I'm right" attitude. In Illinois you fit in with the rest of the one trick ponies.

 

[2aguy]

Good, now please stay there and don't pollute the rest of the country with your wacked out logic. Your have been proven wrong on this thread time and again, but just come back spouting nonsense, made up figures and continue with your "I don't care about facts, I know I'm right" attitude. In Illinois you fit in with the rest of the one trick ponies.

Dont worry, the Blue states will eventually build walls to keep their slaves from leaving…..

 

[JoeB131]

So, yes. Your frantic claim that everyone who wants a gun gets a gun is just nonsense.


"Since launching in 1998, more than 300 million checks have been done, leading to more than 1.5 million denials."

Seriously, you consider that PROGRESS, a 0.5% rejection rate?

That to me is a system that is much too lax.

 

[JoeB131]

They did a federal background check on you, you idiot.....it came back clean. You guys wanted the Federal Background checks, you got them, so you now want more.........

How good of a background check could they have done for $11.00?

Now, me personally, probably not a good test case. I have no criminal record, honorably discharged from the army, good credit score, I probably wouldn't come up on any flags if you type my name into something.

That said- they also didn't ask questions that maybe the should have, like was I recently fired or am I having a mental health crisis or did I have a breakup with a significant other. .

When I applied for my current job, they talked to all my past employers, ran a credit check, talked to several coworkers, and checked my Facebook and LinkedIn feeds.

When I applied for my last mortgage, they dissected every part of my financial life.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah...no...if you aren't a criminal, an alcolholic, a drug user or domestic abuser, guns aren't a problem.........

Awesome, so let's do an thorough background check to keep the guns out of the hands of those people.
Make a Piss Test part of the process.
Actually inform spouses when their husbands or ex-husbands are about to get a gun and give them veto power.
Because I seem to remember you screaming bloody murder when some states started enforcing red flag laws and using cases of domestic disturbance as a reason to confiscate guns.

 

[Batcat]

Shotgun-wielding would-be robber claims ‘I’m from Chicago, bro,’ leaves as clerk displays gun

Rakim Stephen Tate allegedly walked into a Florida convenience store with a shotgun during an attempted robbery but walked out when a clerk displayed his own weapon, authorities said.

nypost.com

The Marxists so hate people who are free to carry a weapon, just in case crap like this happens in your neighborhood. I had said many time before, when there isnt anything left to loot in the inner cities, the savages will move on to places that still have stuff to steal. Problem for those Marxists idiots when you move to a carry state, you might just meet your maker. Luckily for the thug, he got away from the clerk, but not the police that are respected down here.

The thug probably thought things work the same in Florida as they do in Chicago.

Note to criminals. Move out of Florida to one of the big blue cities like New York City, Chicago, LA or San Fransisco. You will find a much better and safer work environment for criminals in such liberal cities than in Florida. Florida is known as The Gunshine State for good reason.

The rules are different here and Florida is not a sanctuary state for criminals by any means.

 

[Hollie]

Seriously, you consider that PROGRESS, a 0.5% rejection rate?

That to me is a system that is much too lax.

Your claim was that everyone who wants a gun gets a gun. That was false.

What is the rejection rate that would satisfy leftists?