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CDZ So the United States can spend 40 billion dollars on Ukraine, but not 40 billion dollars on our southern borders. Shows how much the Democrats Hate US

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So instead of building up the wall and providing the necessary funding to prevent the invasion of diseased illegals from flooding out borders by the millions, thus creating more problems with food shortages, healthcare shortages, and fuel shortages, that our own citizens need, they just go and spend our money on other countries. Real nice of them.

 

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So instead of building up the wall and providing the necessary funding to prevent the invasion of diseased illegals from flooding out borders by the millions, thus creating more problems with food shortages, healthcare shortages, and fuel shortages, that our own citizens need, they just go and spend our money on other countries. Real nice of them.


Hell, the government spends billions each year on toilet seats and screen doors for submarines so . . .

But on a more serious debate worthy note:

Some would argue that the Ukraine is some kind of last frontier buffer zone between East and West, a place where Russian and US/NATO can test out there state of the art weapons systems on each other without resorting to thermonuclear Armageddon. Myself, I don't buy into such reasons as justification for giving Ukraine even a dime of taxpayer money. You ask me it's all about the Bidens' Ukrainian empire. Further, sending 40 billion to the border to beef up security would, according to the church of woke, most certainly qualify as lethal heresy. How would Mexican, Central and South American military age males continue flooding across the border if we did that? Sarcasm OFF.
 

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So instead of building up the wall and providing the necessary funding to prevent the invasion of diseased illegals from flooding out borders by the millions, thus creating more problems with food shortages, healthcare shortages, and fuel shortages, that our own citizens need, they just go and spend our money on other countries. Real nice of them.
No need to spend our money, Mexico will pay for it.
 

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So instead of building up the wall and providing the necessary funding to prevent the invasion of diseased illegals from flooding out borders by the millions, thus creating more problems with food shortages, healthcare shortages, and fuel shortages, that our own citizens need, they just go and spend our money on other countries. Real nice of them.


You blame the Dems...yet.....The 86-11 vote was overwhelmingly bipartisan, with all Democrats and most Republicans voting yes.
 

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I wonder how many Prosecutors Ukraine had to fire for 40 billion in military aid.
 

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You blame the Dems...yet.....The 86-11 vote was overwhelmingly bipartisan, with all Democrats and most Republicans voting yes.
His point was that biden cares more about ukraine than he does America

I support aid for ukraine but we need border security in America also and we arent getting it from the dems
 

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Hell, the government spends billions each year on toilet seats and screen doors for submarines so . . .

But on a more serious debate worthy note:

Some would argue that the Ukraine is some kind of last frontier buffer zone between East and West, a place where Russian and US/NATO can test out there state of the art weapons systems on each other without resorting to thermonuclear Armageddon. Myself, I don't buy into such reasons as justification for giving Ukraine even a dime of taxpayer money. You ask me it's all about the Bidens' Ukrainian empire. Further, sending 40 billion to the border to beef up security would, according to the church of woke, most certainly qualify as lethal heresy. How would Mexican, Central and South American military age males continue flooding across the border if we did that? Sarcasm OFF.
Long ago Congress figured out how to become multimillionaires on a Congressional salary: have your friends and family take a cut indirectly.

McConnell, Biden, Pelosi, and even AOC all will get a cut of these Ukrainian dollars. That's why they're against any accountability.
 

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Don't have the best answers at my finger tips, do not have time for the screamers on TV or most of those in office or running for office.
Have to look to history or the laws being shot down or being enacted to make my decisions.
The term America first came pre WW2, wanting us to stay out of the war & let Hitler have Europe.
Most of our politicians seem more interested in following the voices of those who (money) run things than the honest interest of the people, those not all hyped up on ANY party propaganda.
 

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So instead of building up the wall and providing the necessary funding to prevent the invasion of diseased illegals from flooding out borders by the millions, thus creating more problems with food shortages, healthcare shortages, and fuel shortages, that our own citizens need, they just go and spend our money on other countries. Real nice of them.

Fine employers who hire illegals and solve the problem.
 

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Fine employers who hire illegals and solve the problem.
So, you support spending a thousand times this amount on the enormous bureaucracy that would be required to monitor every homeowner who hires a maid, gardener, carpenter or handyman?


Yeah, that makes sense.
 

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So, you support spending a thousand times this amount on the enormous bureaucracy that would be required to monitor every homeowner who hires a maid, gardener, carpenter or handyman?


Yeah, that makes sense.

The one offs like that are not the problem. We need to go after the big companies that do it. Right now nothing happens to them. Look at the chicken plants that were busted under Trump. Not a thing happened to them except they had to end up replacing their illegals with other illegals.

Until you make the punishment for hiring them more expensive than hiring legal workers nothing will stop companies from hiring them and not will stop the them from coming
 

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The one offs like that are not the problem. We need to go after the big companies that do it. Right now nothing happens to them. Look at the chicken plants that were busted under Trump. Not a thing happened to them except they had to end up replacing their illegals with other illegals.

Until you make the punishment for hiring them more expensive than hiring legal workers nothing will stop companies from hiring them and not will stop the them from coming
So, you see one company hiring 15 illegals as havinfg a greater effect than hundreds of thousands of individuals each hiring one or two?

How embarrassingly irrational.

The actual answer isn't to punishes the companies you hate but to attempt the tide at it's source. This would be obvious to you if you were not so utterly partisan.
 
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So, you see one company hiring 15 illegals as havinfg a greater effect than hundreds of thousands of individuals each hiring one or two?

How embarrassingly irrational.

Yes, because people will not come here for the ones and twos.

The actual answer isn't to punishes the companies you hate but to attempt the tide at it's source. This would be obvious to you if you were not so utterly partisan.

I do not hate anyone. Stemming the tide at it source never works. We tried it with the war on drugs, how has that worked out?

As long as there is a reason for people to come, aka being hired and getting paid, they will keep coming.

This would be obvious to you if you were not so utterly partisan.
 

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So instead of building up the wall and providing the necessary funding to prevent the invasion of diseased illegals from flooding out borders by the millions, thus creating more problems with food shortages, healthcare shortages, and fuel shortages, that our own citizens need, they just go and spend our money on other countries. Real nice of them.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.
 

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