So, the Declaration of “Independence” was for whites only...

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Actually the Declaration was wrote for wealthy white men, and no one else. They treated women like crap, along with the poor, blacks and Native Americans. Same with the Constitution.
The USA has led the world in granting freedom and liberty. Thousands of white men died to free black people. White men supported granting the women's vote. You're biased.
Some...but clearly not enough
What do you mean "not enough?"

Do you have the right to vote or not? That would, by definition, be ENOUGH.
Should have had it at the beginning.
 

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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
 

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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
 
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Actually the Declaration was wrote for wealthy white men, and no one else. They treated women like crap, along with the poor, blacks and Native Americans. Same with the Constitution.
The USA has led the world in granting freedom and liberty. Thousands of white men died to free black people. White men supported granting the women's vote. You're biased.
Some...but clearly not enough
What do you mean "not enough?"

Do you have the right to vote or not? That would, by definition, be ENOUGH.
Should have had it at the beginning.
When nobody else in the world had it? When it was not culturally normative ANYWHERE?

You are placing 2020 standards on 1791 people.
 

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In later eras of US diplomacy much propaganda has been produced showing how the US is the place for justice and equality. Yet some people in this nation do not want justice and equality.
..I know the blacks don't want to be civil..they don't accept civil/fair/legal/etc court verdicts
 

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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
..no wonder--you can't even figure out something simple:
you singled out whites as EVIL--no one else
 
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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
Neither side has moral superiority, yet so many pretend that the Natives do, for some reason.

I suspect it's just another reason to bitch about American and erode the culture so communism can be implemented.
 

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This is the argument of the radical left, wanting to tear down every symbol and statue of the Founding Fathers and of our Independence. That, as CNN puts it, the Declaration of “Independence” (they put that in quotes now), didn’t apply to blacks or natives.

My question to you America hating BLM types is, why should had the white people from Europe built a free nation for Africans? Or for the Natives? Or for the Chinese for that matter? Most of the people in the colonies considered themselves English in heritage, if not nationality. They were after all building and expanding colonies for the British and the crown. They had their rights as citizens diminished and stripped, that’s all they really wanted at first, was their rights back and representation. People who weren’t ever British citizens to begin with, probably didn’t care much.

It’s stupid to think that these people of English and European descent would fight to make a free nation for Natives, Africans, or anyone else but themselves. A people and culture are defined by their language, values, and religion. It’s funny how BLM types like morons on this board feel that Africans were entitled to the benefits of these white people fighting a war for independence. Why couldn’t the Africans build their own free nation somewhere? Oh I know, they couldn’t build ships to sail to the Western Hemisphere to start any colonies. But they had the whole continent of Africa to make a new nation.

I find it interesting that the BLM idiots here think that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and every other early leader of our nation, should had been the White Saviors for Africans and Native peoples. Were the Natives and Africans too stupid to make their own free nation? They certainly had the numbers and the resources. So which is it, my BLM friends? Did blacks and natives need the white man to give them rights and freedom? Were they too stupid to accomplish this on their own? Why is it the white man’s responsibility to provide these things to “people of color”? Even today, the majority of blacks keep trusting in their white liberal savior, and they still remain the poorest, least educated, most violent group in America.
You wanna look at it that way why should they have been here at all? There were already free people here.
Because through OUT History Nations that were strong enough claimed lands that were not organized strong enough to resist them. INCLUDING Blacks in Africa and Indians in North America. Remind me when are you going to complain about all those Indian Tribes forced off their land by stronger Indian Tribes? Or the genocide practiced by several large Indian Tribes on weaker tribes to include wiping them out and destroying their culture? How about when are you going to complain about all the Black tribes in Africa that did the same thing to other black tribes and CONTINUE to do so TODAY? Ohh wait I forgot only the white man is to blame, Indians and Blacks all practiced slavery, all practiced seizing lands from weaker groups, all practiced genocide on weaker groups. But of course in your book they get a pass right?
 

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Actually the Declaration was wrote for wealthy white men, and no one else. They treated women like crap, along with the poor, blacks and Native Americans. Same with the Constitution.
The USA has led the world in granting freedom and liberty. Thousands of white men died to free black people. White men supported granting the women's vote. You're biased.
Some...but clearly not enough
What do you mean "not enough?"

Do you have the right to vote or not? That would, by definition, be ENOUGH.
Should have had it at the beginning.
LOL NAME ONE NATION in 1776 and 1787 that allowed women to vote universally.
 

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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
And yet you only blame WHITES.
 

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Actually the Declaration was wrote for wealthy white men, and no one else. They treated women like crap, along with the poor, blacks and Native Americans. Same with the Constitution.
The USA has led the world in granting freedom and liberty. Thousands of white men died to free black people. White men supported granting the women's vote. You're biased.
Some...but clearly not enough
What do you mean "not enough?"

Do you have the right to vote or not? That would, by definition, be ENOUGH.
Should have had it at the beginning.
LOL NAME ONE NATION in 1776 and 1787 that allowed women to vote universally.
Doesn’t matter, it does not affect the point. But to answer your question, I don’t think any nations then had a representative government sustenances.
 

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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
And yet you only blame WHITES.
They had the power.
 

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Actually the Declaration was wrote for wealthy white men, and no one else. They treated women like crap, along with the poor, blacks and Native Americans. Same with the Constitution.
The USA has led the world in granting freedom and liberty. Thousands of white men died to free black people. White men supported granting the women's vote. You're biased.
Some...but clearly not enough
What do you mean "not enough?"

Do you have the right to vote or not? That would, by definition, be ENOUGH.
Should have had it at the beginning.
LOL NAME ONE NATION in 1776 and 1787 that allowed women to vote universally.
Doesn’t matter, it affect the point. But to answer your question, I don’t think any nations then had a representative government sustenances.
So you HAVE NO POINT AT ALL. at that time in History women did not generally vote and generally were not provided education and in a LOT of places couldn't own property as well. That is HOW it was. pretending otherwise and judging them by today's standards is moronic at BEST.
 

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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
And yet you only blame WHITES.
They had the power.
So you are arguing that ever since there have been white men they had all the power over Indians and Blacks? Good GOD you prove just how stupid you are with each post.
 
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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
And yet you only blame WHITES.
They had the power.
So, you grant moral authority to the underdog?
 

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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
And yet you only blame WHITES.
They had the power.
So, you grant moral authority to the underdog?
She IGNORES thousands of years of self rule and claims only white men had authority as justification for not calling Indians and Blacks on the same actions.
 
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Actually the Declaration was wrote for wealthy white men, and no one else. They treated women like crap, along with the poor, blacks and Native Americans. Same with the Constitution.
The USA has led the world in granting freedom and liberty. Thousands of white men died to free black people. White men supported granting the women's vote. You're biased.
Some...but clearly not enough
What do you mean "not enough?"

Do you have the right to vote or not? That would, by definition, be ENOUGH.
Should have had it at the beginning.
LOL NAME ONE NATION in 1776 and 1787 that allowed women to vote universally.
These IDIOTS are too ignorant to realize that back in 1776 it was a radical idea to NOT have a monarchy and to choose to have a democratic republic. It was the first step in building a totally free nation. Of course the founding fathers knew that slavery would have to be dealt with eventually.
 
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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
And yet you only blame WHITES.
Yea, we never hear a peep about the slave trade in Latin and South America, or “systemic racism” there.
 

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Well, historically, yes...it was for whites. White males. There was no Independence freedom for black slaves. Blacks have fought for and helped build this country. What a stupid thread Given how violently black rebellions were squashed and how often treaties with native Americans were broken, and they were slaughtered and subjugated under superior military force...Manifest Destiny.

It is all part of our national heritage: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Can’t change history.
..the Native Americans did the same shit --same thing AND they TORTURED as culture policy
So did European whites. Do you have a point?
And yet you only blame WHITES.
They had the power.
So, you grant moral authority to the underdog?
Not sure what you mean by that.
 

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Retired GYSGT- And yet the men were educated??

The founders were wealthy white men.
 

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