So solar is dying? The numbers

[Old Rocks]

There are constant posts how solar is dying or unsuccessful in this country or that nation. So what are the real numbers? Here you go;

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We like solar, it simply does not currently generate enough juice to run our economy.

 

[there4eyeM]

One could die laughing at any such assertion about the demise of this thriving, friendly technology.. Solar is only beginning.

 

[Old Rocks]

One could die laughing at any such assertion about the demise of this thriving, friendly technology.. Solar is only beginning.

Exactly. And the price is still going down. Plus, one can now buy batteries that are set up so that if the grid goes down, you can run your home off the solar panels and the batteries. And the price of those batteries will soon be going down as well.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

There are constant posts how solar is dying or unsuccessful in this country or that nation. So what are the real numbers? Here you go;

So what does this prove ?

By itself......

 

[CrusaderFrank]

One could die laughing at any such assertion about the demise of this thriving, friendly technology.. Solar is only beginning.

Exactly. And the price is still going down. Plus, one can now buy batteries that are set up so that if the grid goes down, you can run your home off the solar panels and the batteries. And the price of those batteries will soon be going down as well.

That's a good thing too

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Of course it is not dying...any THING that receives billions in government subsidization will never 'die'.

 

[Old Rocks]

You mean like the subsidies that coal, oil, and gas receive? And solar and wind is cheaper than any fossil fuel or nuclear on a non-subsidized basis.

Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2019

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You mean like the subsidies that coal, oil, and gas receive? And solar and wind is cheaper than any fossil fuel or nuclear on a non-subsidized basis.

Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2019

You mean like the subsidies that coal, oil, and gas receive?

I know!!

Writing off typical business expenses. Just awful!

There ought to be a law.......

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

You mean like the subsidies that coal, oil, and gas receive? And solar and wind is cheaper than any fossil fuel or nuclear on a non-subsidized basis.

Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2019

Oh the famous levelized chart...which does not take into account the lack of dispatchability (load match, peak match) in renewable sources. Therefore your line shows a consistent, fixed cost as there will never be a spike in demand which can be met. Maybe SOME day....with enough government money eh?

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
― Mark Twain

 

[Old Rocks]

Direct subsidies to the oil industry can be broken down into four distinct categories:

There are tax expenditures, in which the federal government allows oil companies to deduct taxes during the oil-well development process. A prime example of this is the $2.3 billion Intangible Drilling Oil & Gas Deduction subsidy that allows producers to deduct 100 percent of expenses that aren’t directly linked to the final operation of an oil well. Another notable example in action is the Last-In, First Our Accounting for Fossil Fuel Companies subsidy that allows oil companies to undervalue their inventory, reducing their amount of taxable income on the books and taking $1.5 billion out of federal coffers each year.

Then there are the direct spending subsidies, such as the $229 million Inland Waters Transport for Petroleum Subsidy. Usually, the federal government taxes shipping company using waterways a fee proportionate to the tonnage of what they ship. Not so with oil companies. Similar to this is the $107 million Inadequate Administrative Fees for Onshore Drilling Management subsidy that leaves taxpayers holding the bag for Bureau of Land Management costs associated with drilling that would otherwise be covered by the industry.

Next up are royalty relief subsidies, where oil companies carve out exemptions for themselves—usually with the help of lawmakers—to pay significantly lower royalties rates on the oil and gas they extract. For example, the Lost Royalties on Offshore Drilling for Leases Issued from 1996 through 2000 subsidy came as a result of the 1995 “Outer Continental Shelf Deep Water Royalty Relief Act,” something that to this day deprives taxpayers of $1.1 billion each year.

What subsidies do oil companies receive?

 

[Old Rocks]

You mean like the subsidies that coal, oil, and gas receive? And solar and wind is cheaper than any fossil fuel or nuclear on a non-subsidized basis.

Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2019

Oh the famous levelized chart...which does not take into account the lack of dispatchability (load match, peak match) in renewable sources. Therefore your line shows a consistent, fixed cost as there will never be a spike in demand which can be met. Maybe SOME day....with enough government money eh?

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
― Mark Twain

Musk succeeded, and so too has the battery in smoothing the daily operation of South Australia's energy grid and helping to avert blackouts.

The battery has also been a financial success. It earned AU$23.8 million in the first half of 2018, by selling stored electricity and other grid-stabilising services.

These successes have spurred further big battery uptake in Australia, while the global industry is forecast to attract US$620 billion in investments by 2040. It's clear that big batteries will play a big role in our energy future.

Remember The Giant Tesla Battery in Australia? It Just Marked Its First Year

 

[Old Rocks]

Could this be a major player in the future? The consumer-producer;

Tesla: First Trial of Virtual Power Plant Succeeds

Tesla’s VPP is an ambitious project set up in the state of South Australia, which will be comprised of 50,000 residential homes fitted with solar panels and Powerwall 2 home batteries. It is expected to generate 250 MW (megawatt) of solar power and 650 MWh (megawatt per hour) of battery storage capacity. Tesla’s VPP would provide the solar panels as well as the Powerwall 2 batteries free of cost to low-income households involved in the project. Once completed, it will be the world’s largest VPP system. The massive system is expected to support local energy requirements, reduce electricity bills for the residents and generate surplus capacity to the power grid.

The project secured the state government's approval in May and was then promised a $2 million grant and a $30 million loan from the government. The VPP had two trial phases. They jointly involve installation of home energy systems on a total of 1,100 Housing South Australian homes. Under phase one, around 100 homes received installation of the 5 kW (kilowatt) of rooftop solar panels and the 13.5 kWh Tesla Powerwall batteries. The experiment was successful, which demonstrate that distributed Powerwall technology can increase the supply of energy during peak periods.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

You mean like the subsidies that coal, oil, and gas receive? And solar and wind is cheaper than any fossil fuel or nuclear on a non-subsidized basis.

Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2019

Oh the famous levelized chart...which does not take into account the lack of dispatchability (load match, peak match) in renewable sources. Therefore your line shows a consistent, fixed cost as there will never be a spike in demand which can be met. Maybe SOME day....with enough government money eh?

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
― Mark Twain

Musk succeeded, and so too has the battery in smoothing the daily operation of South Australia's energy grid and helping to avert blackouts.

The battery has also been a financial success. It earned AU$23.8 million in the first half of 2018, by selling stored electricity and other grid-stabilising services.

These successes have spurred further big battery uptake in Australia, while the global industry is forecast to attract US$620 billion in investments by 2040. It's clear that big batteries will play a big role in our energy future.

Remember The Giant Tesla Battery in Australia? It Just Marked Its First Year

But then we are back to batteries aren't we? We are back to mining all of those rare Earth minerals...we are back to huge, very volatile manufacturing operations...we are back to corporate greed. At the end of the day it really appears to be a zero sum game with you titty babies bitching and moaning and complaining the entire way.

This is about people...not pollution. You don't like people. You want people to go away...not oil...not coal. You see people and you think 'virus'.
It's kinda sad.

 

[there4eyeM]

The refusal to adapt by some forces the rest into desperate straights.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Direct subsidies to the oil industry can be broken down into four distinct categories:

There are tax expenditures, in which the federal government allows oil companies to deduct taxes during the oil-well development process. A prime example of this is the $2.3 billion Intangible Drilling Oil & Gas Deduction subsidy that allows producers to deduct 100 percent of expenses that aren’t directly linked to the final operation of an oil well. Another notable example in action is the Last-In, First Our Accounting for Fossil Fuel Companies subsidy that allows oil companies to undervalue their inventory, reducing their amount of taxable income on the books and taking $1.5 billion out of federal coffers each year.

Then there are the direct spending subsidies, such as the $229 million Inland Waters Transport for Petroleum Subsidy. Usually, the federal government taxes shipping company using waterways a fee proportionate to the tonnage of what they ship. Not so with oil companies. Similar to this is the $107 million Inadequate Administrative Fees for Onshore Drilling Management subsidy that leaves taxpayers holding the bag for Bureau of Land Management costs associated with drilling that would otherwise be covered by the industry.

Next up are royalty relief subsidies, where oil companies carve out exemptions for themselves—usually with the help of lawmakers—to pay significantly lower royalties rates on the oil and gas they extract. For example, the Lost Royalties on Offshore Drilling for Leases Issued from 1996 through 2000 subsidy came as a result of the 1995 “Outer Continental Shelf Deep Water Royalty Relief Act,” something that to this day deprives taxpayers of $1.1 billion each year.

What subsidies do oil companies receive?

A prime example of this is the $2.3 billion Intangible Drilling Oil & Gas Deduction subsidy that allows producers to deduct 100 percent of expenses that aren’t directly linked to the final operation of an oil well

Writing off business expenses? How can this be allowed? DURR.

Another notable example in action is the Last-In, First Our Accounting for Fossil Fuel Companies subsidy that allows oil companies to undervalue their inventory, reducing their amount of taxable income on the books and taking $1.5 billion out of federal coffers each year.​

Standard business accounting? What is this, Russia? Let's send the accountants to the gulag!

The only thing funnier than idiots ignorantly whining about subsidies is when the idiots actually post the "subsidies" that aren't subsidies.​

 

[Billy_Bob]

The refusal to adapt by some forces the rest into desperate straights.

Yep... Idiots will force others into unsustainable green crap that will deystroy our planet far worse than oil use could ever do..

 

[rightwinger]

One could die laughing at any such assertion about the demise of this thriving, friendly technology.. Solar is only beginning.

Exactly. And the price is still going down. Plus, one can now buy batteries that are set up so that if the grid goes down, you can run your home off the solar panels and the batteries. And the price of those batteries will soon be going down as well.

Batteries are the key. Provides a stable source of power at night and cloudy days.

 

[Old Rocks]

There are grid scale batteries in development that use no lithium. However, there is far more lithium than we knew about only two years ago;

Top ten biggest lithium mines in the world based on reserves

 

[jc456]

There are constant posts how solar is dying or unsuccessful in this country or that nation. So what are the real numbers? Here you go;

let me know when it can go on the grid 7/24/365. When is that happening?