So much for the claim it's about "Illegal" Immigration

[JoeB131]

I nominate JoeB131 for unamerican of the year.

Naw, Trump beat me to it.

And unlike him, I didn't avoid military service.

 

[Robert W]

But given what Japan did to China, you can't really blame her.

Of course, the Japanese were as terrible to the Chinese as the Chinese were to the Chinese.

 

[BackAgain]

Sure, it's common sense.

No. It sure is not.

And if it were, you’d be blind to it.

You are penalizing people for doing it the right way,

Wrong, you jerkoff. I’m not doing anything. But what President Trump has directed is that it now be done the right way.
MIT really seems to get under your skin when the President directs compliance with the actual law.

that'll just make them do it the wrong way.

No. It won’t. It will make them adhere to our rule of law or face the consequences.

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats made blacks slaves and now they want to do it to the illegal aliens. They brag they are good field workers and lodging clean up artists. Like slaves I tell you.

Um, no, there were slaves before there were Democrats.

 

[Robert W]

Naw, Trump beat me to it.

And unlike him, I didn't avoid military service.

Wasn't your motive to get the Gov to pay for your college education? Did you graduate?

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong, you jerkoff. I’m not doing anything. But what President Trump has directed is that it now be done the right way.
MIT really seems to get under your skin when the President directs compliance with the actual law.

It annoys me when anyone uses legal technicalities to do evil, whether it's reintrepeting a 60 year old practice to be racist, or getting an ax murderer off the hook because the cop didn't have a warrant when he found the bloody ax and the dead hooker.

The actual law is discretionary. You can apply here OR overseas.

 

[JoeB131]

Wasn't your motive to get the Gov to pay for your college education? Did you graduate?

That was one of my motives. After I graduated, I served another six years of active duty.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course, the Japanese were as terrible to the Chinese as the Chinese were to the Chinese.

Not really.

the Japanese murdered 22 million Chinese during the war.

(Oh, please don't start trying to blame the Great Famine on Mao, which we know is where you are going to go next.)

 

[JoeB131]

No. It won’t. It will make them adhere to our rule of law or face the consequences.

No, it means they won't apply at all, they'll just keep living here.

ICE can't round up the people who they legitimately need to deport, you think they are going to track down another 2-3 million people? Good luck with that.

Law of unintended consequences.

 

[BackAgain]

No, I don't hate Japanese Americans. One of my dearest friends is Japanese. On another occassion, I dated a Japanese lady (Well, Okinawan, technically)

Now, Mrs. B131 really does dislike the Japanese, even though she's normally about the nicest person you'd want to meet. Wouldn't even stomp on a spider. The other day, she spent two minutes trying to shoo one with a piece of paper out the patio door.

But given what Japan did to China, you can't really blame her.

But to the point, internment was probably a sensible policy, based on THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD AT THE TIME.

It was also upheld by the US Supreme Court in three separate cases, most notably, Korematsu vs. US.

It probably did seem (at that time and under the circumstances) to be necessary.

But does that make it proper?

And isn’t the Korematsu case an example of a very regrettable SCOTUS decision. Our present Chief Justice, in fact, said
“Korematsu was gravely wrong the day it was decided.” He also said that Korematsu
“has no place in law under the Constitution.” See, Trump v. Hawaii,
(585 U.S. 667 (2018)).

Are you suggesting that the Chief Justice was wrong?

 

[BackAgain]

No, it means they won't apply at all, they'll just keep living here.

ICE can't round up the people who they legitimately need to deport, you think they are going to track down another 2-3 million people? Good luck with that.

Law of unintended consequences.

Your unsupported and unsupportable mere speculation remains something unworthy of credence.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hi

It worked fine for 60 years, until Trump came along.


You forgot Hiyo. 12

Compared to our maybe 6 in the Pacific theater.

.

Hiyo wasn’t commissioned until after Midway. Ranger was superior to both Junyo and Hiyo and at least as good as Soryu and Hiryu.

None of the Japanese light carriers were combat capable by USN standards. That was shown that few survived their combat baptisms.

 

[Robert W]

Not really.

the Japanese murdered 22 million Chinese during the war.

(Oh, please don't start trying to blame the Great Famine on Mao, which we know is where you are going to go next.)

China is so great somebody close to you escaped!! True? Shooed a spider out the patio door using paper?

 

[BackAgain]

It annoys me when anyone uses legal technicalities to do evil, whether it's reintrepeting a 60 year old practice to be racist, or getting an ax murderer off the hook because the cop didn't have a warrant when he found the bloody ax and the dead hooker.

The actual law is discretionary. You can apply here OR overseas.

Enjoy your empty claims.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Really? So when did they share their plans with the US Government? Oh, that's right, they DIDN'T.



After Pearl Harbor, and if Midway went the other way, they'd have had plenty. Before Midway, Japan had 12 carriers, 11 battleships, and about 20 crusiers.



Again, neither of which the planners in Washington knew.



You should probably familiarize yourself with their Malaya campaign. They marched 700 miles from French Indochina to Singapore and caught the British completely off guard.


Again, Washington didn't know this


Well, first, Ranger was a piece of shit, which is why it never saw service in the Pacific. All it was really good for was antisubmarine patrols in the Atlantic. (as were the CVEs). Wasp was sunk by the end of 1942. Saratoga was laid up due to torpedo damage much of the war.


They were all also practicing Shinto, which revered Hirohito as a God.

Nobody cares.

I'm talking about what FDR and the planners knew in 1942. Not what people did later.

Malaya had a network of roads that the IJA used and even then, the Japanese troops were on the verge of starvation when they arrived at Singapore. If the Brits had held out for two weeks the Japanese would have had to either retreat or starve in place.

 

[Rawley]

you are comparing a common sense practice to Jim Crow? really?

Nope. Exposing your idiocy that because something has been in place for decades, it's a good thing

Oh, who are you trying to kid, you miss Jim Crow.

Making an immigrant jump through extra hoops when they've already gotten an education or performed admirably for an employer is cruel. So is breaking up families for months.

Boo f*ucking hoo. That's the way the law is written.

Sure, it's common sense.

You are penalizing people for doing it the right way, that'll just make them do it the wrong way.

Dude, this is the right way. “Nonimmigrants, like students, temporary workers, or people on tourist visas, come to the U.S. for a short time and for a specific purpose. Our system is designed for them to leave when their visit is over. Their visit should not function as the first step in the Green Card process"

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Will Grant ‘Adjustment of Status’ Only in Extraordinary Circumstances | USCIS

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services today announced a new policy memo reiterating the fact that, consistent with long-standing immigration law and immigration court decisions, aliens seeking adjustment of status must do so through consular processing via the Department of State outside of...

www.uscis.gov

 

[Robert W]

After Pearl Harbor, and if Midway went the other way, they'd have had plenty. Before Midway, Japan had 12 carriers, 11 battleships, and about 20 crusiers.

You must know that FDR baited the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor, correct?

 

[AZrailwhale]

You must know that FDR baited the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor, correct?

That’s a falsehood. No one thought Japan had the ability to sail a task force to the Hawaiian Islands. Plus FDR didn’t want to fight Japan, he wanted to fight Germany instead. Japan was a distraction. Without the Pacific drawing off more than half the ASW forces, the U Boats wouldn’t have lasted anywhere near as long.

 

[Robert W]

That’s a falsehood. No one thought Japan had the ability to sail a task force to the Hawaiian Islands. Plus FDR didn’t want to fight Japan, he wanted to fight Germany instead. Japan was a distraction. Without the Pacific drawing off more than half the ASW forces, the U Boats wouldn’t have lasted anywhere near as long.

I see you never read the book that explains how FDR baited the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

 

[JoeB131]

It probably did seem (at that time and under the circumstances) to be necessary.

But does that make it proper?

And isn’t the Korematsu case an example of a very regrettable SCOTUS decision. Our present Chief Justice, in fact, said
“Korematsu was gravely wrong the day it was decided.” He also said that Korematsu
“has no place in law under the Constitution.” See, Trump v. Hawaii,

I think it's very easy for people 80 years later to say, "That was mean", when they didn't have a gun pointed at their heads.

Hiyo wasn’t commissioned until after Midway

Immediately afterwards. Go back to my original point. If Japan had won Midway, they'd have had numerical superiority until 1943.

They didn't build all those fortifications on the West coast for shits and grins. They really thought an invasion was a possibility.

Ranger was superior to both Junyo and Hiyo and at least as good as Soryu and Hiryu.

Actually, it was so weak they never let it out of the nice, safe Atlantic. We borrowed HMS VIctorious first.

None of the Japanese light carriers were combat capable by USN standards. That was shown that few survived their combat baptisms.

Again, nobody knew that when they started rounding up the Japanese.

Hindsight is always 20/20

China is so great somebody close to you escaped!!

not sure what your point is.

Malaya had a network of roads that the IJA used and even then, the Japanese troops were on the verge of starvation when they arrived at Singapore. If the Brits had held out for two weeks the Japanese would have had to either retreat or starve in place.

Would have, should have, could have. Point was, they took down the "Gibraltar of the East"

ANd this is why people in CA were scared. Japan overran all of Southeast Asia within months. We hadn't even started seriously drafting people yet.

Boo f*ucking hoo. That's the way the law is written.

no, it's the illegal way Trump is interpreting it. A change like this is open to judicial and legislative review.

more importantly, his billionaire masters will slap him on the wrist and say, "No!"

Dude, this is the right way. “Nonimmigrants, like students, temporary workers, or people on tourist visas, come to the U.S. for a short time and for a specific purpose. Our system is designed for them to leave when their visit is over. Their visit should not function as the first step in the Green Card process"

Why, because the Orange Blob says so?

When Billionaires find it harder to hire those H1B's, they are going to have a word with Cheeto Hitler.

Heck, Trump just knuckled under on 600K Chinese students.