So Israel

[Stryder50]

Correcting your idiocy isn't seeking conflict. The reason the US sends aid to its allies in the Middle East is for protecting its national security in a critical region of the world.

During most of the last half of the past century (c. 1948 onward) Israel was the only ally the USA had in that part of the world. The region is still dominated by fanatical Islam, but a couple more nations are starting to moderate and move towards the 21st century.

Re-examine the events of 1948 when all the neighbors of renewed Israel tried to destroy the nation and it's Jewish founders. Though they greatly outnumbered Israel in military equipment and resources, Israel prevailed. That might hint which Higher pPwer was on which side.

 

[Chuz Life]

Compromise usually means an equal give and take towards a middle point.
Unfortunately, too many consider compromise should be a largely one-way deal where one side gives more and the other takes more.
Which is why real compromise tends to be difficult to attain.

Is "compromise" the basis for disliking my post about how the abortion issue is unnecessarily being complicated by abortion proponents?

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Thursday at 12:19 PM

I'm all ears.

Set me straight.

• Chuz Life

 

[ding]

I look the other way on a lot of things, you included. Humans are humans, limited as they are. Forgiving them for those limitations is the only reasonable position.

I wish you wouldn't. Especially for me.

Honest men can have honest differences of opinions without having to denigrate each other or fearing to express them.

Growth filled communities should look at all sides of an issue to arrive at objective truth.

The OP is not honest and the OP is not objective. The OP is a gas lighter looking for conflicts. He's a joke.

 

[ding]

Humans are humans, limited as they are. Forgiving them for those limitations is the only reasonable position.

Sure. I agree. But remaining silent isn't forgiveness. Stand for what is right and oppose what is wrong and be open to be convinced otherwise. But above all else be honest. The OP supports abortion and tried to use abortion to drive a wedge in something that has nothing to do with abortion. That is dishonest.

 

[Stryder50]

Is "compromise" the basis for disliking my post about how the abortion issue is unnecessarily being complicated by abortion proponents?

Post in thread 'So Israel'

Thursday at 12:19 PM

I'm all ears.

Set me straight.

• Chuz Life

You didn't specify "proponents", leaving it vague and open to all parties.
Complexities exist because abortion is one of those issues that has extreme polarity of positions and some of that is based on ideologies which have merits to those who support such.
i.e. it's not just/only personality differences or defects that polarize the issue of abortion.

BTW, in post #248 I present the thumbnail of my position;

FWIW; my position on abortion is that it excludes a vote from the father and the fetus. Also it disrupts the plan of the soul of that fetus to incarnate in that body. However, that soul will have option to select another body/fetus and retry.

 

[Billiejeens]

"Sure I did. The reason we send aid to our allies in the Middle East is to protect our national security interests in a critical region of the world."

Excellent investment in the real world.

 

[ding]

I'm sure there are some benefits that I (we?) will never see. However, the kickbacks to the politicians who push for more and more money and other perks to Israel over shadows most if not all of the other benefits of our continuing support combined, in my humble opinion.

My opinion, which is probably only worth half of what you paid for it.

We live in a fraudulent world. It's in our personal lives, businesses, governments, it's even in sports.

 

[ding]

I think most people are full of shit. They use strong rhetoric to imply this or that, but in the end will be relying on somebody else to do the hard thing. That somebody else doesn't exist.

Life is too good now. I've got VR video games and pornography to indulge in.

Nobody is willing to give up their six pack and the superbowl to go dodge drones in the freezing cold.

That doesn't really explain why people look for fights.

 

[SaxonJackson]

has free abortions.

Israel’s abortion law now among world’s most liberal

Despite its conservative leanings, government approves free pregnancy termination for nearly all women, and it barely causes a ripple

www.timesofisrael.com

If we subsidize that country to the tune of billions each year, we are, in effect, paying for Israeli women to abort their offspring.
So, why are there pro-life people who support subsidizing that country?

A "Godly" people they are. LOL

I believe all of their medical needs and educational needs are met by the generosity of the American government at the dire expense of the American taxpayer.

 

[ding]

Optimism vs pessimism is a choice we all make in our lives. None of us actually possesses foresight.

I choose optimism.

I do too. But more importantly, I choose reality.

 

[Chuz Life]

You didn't specify "proponents", leaving it vague and open to all parties.
Complexities exist because abortion is one of those issues that has extreme polarity of positions and some of that is based on ideologies which have merits to those who support such.
i.e. it's not just/only personality differences or defects that polarize the issue of abortion.

Now see, "some of that is based on ideologies which have merits to those who support such," is a perfect example of the defective thinking I was referring to.

 

[Stryder50]

A "Godly" people they are. LOL

A lot of "people" have a lot of definitions of "Godly".
Most differ significantly.
Why something like 4 out of 5 wars in history involve religion differences.

 

[Dorian Mode]

I think people talk a lot of shit from the comfort of their air conditioned living rooms.

"Hey Siri. Start my fighting playlist."

And I think too many people prefer to not think and just trust our government and its politicians to do the right thing for the people. Which, if you think about it, explains why the world is so fucked up at at the moment.

 

[Stryder50]

Now see, "some of that is based on ideologies which have merits to those who support such," is a perfect example of the defective thinking I was referring to.

Which implies if that thinking includes ideologies &/or merits which you don't support, than it is defective.
Which is how those with those "defective thinking" ideologies would see you.
Brings us back to Square One. ~ 'Do not pass Go!, Do not collect $200.'

 

[SaxonJackson]

A lot of "people" have a lot of definitions of "Godly".
Most differ significantly.
Why something like 4 out of 5 wars in history involve religion differences.

Yes ... but these folks are SPECIAL. They're "chosen by God" because of their righteousness and godliness. So it goes without saying that abortion should be free. It's the 11th Commandment.

 

[Chuz Life]

Which implies if that thinking includes ideologies &/or merits which you don't support, than it is defective.
Which is how those with those "defective thinking" ideologies would see you.
Brings us back to Square One. ~ 'Do not pass Go!, Do not collect $200.'

Yeah, that's disturbing.

The idea that a person who reasons themself into believing in mythical beings might be offended by a realist who "believes" only in real, tangible facts and evidence.

But, here we are, nevertheless.

 

[Shusha]

Yep. Everyone. Glad you proved your own racial whatever. Because that was not the point of the thread

What was the point of the thread, exactly? That the US should not subsidize countries with universal health care? That the US should not subsidize countries where abortions are available (in which case there are 126 countries in line ahead of Israel with a higher abortion rate, why not discuss them?)

It seems painfully obvious to me that the only purpose for this thread is to come up with yet another false excuse to call out Israel as uniquely "problematic".

 

[TNHarley]

What was the point of the thread, exactly? That the US should not subsidize countries with universal health care? That the US should not subsidize countries where abortions are available (in which case there are 126 countries in line ahead of Israel with a higher abortion rate, why not discuss them?)

It seems painfully obvious to me that the only purpose for this thread is to come up with yet another false excuse to call out Israel as uniquely "problematic".

As the OP clearly stated, I was wondering if pro-life people were ok with their tax dollars going to, in effect, pay for another countries abortions.
We shouldnt be subsidizing ANY countries. I dont work so Ayala in Tel Aviv, can abort her offspring because she isnt emotionally ready. I dont work to fund another countries wars. I dont work to subsidize businesses in ukraine.
ESPECIALLY considering how much debt we owe. Think about the great great grand children.

 

[Shusha]

As the OP clearly stated, I was wondering if pro-life people were ok with their tax dollars going to, in effect, pay for another countries abortions.
We shouldnt be subsidizing ANY countries.

Then why did you, very specifically, bring up Israel, rather than ANY of the other countries that allow abortions, including ANY of the 126 countries that have higher abortion rates? Including ANY of the other countries that the US subsidizes?

 

[TNHarley]

Then why did you, very specifically, bring up Israel, rather than ANY of the other countries that allow abortions, including ANY of the 126 countries that have higher abortion rates? Including ANY of the other countries that the US subsidizes?

Because they are supposedly our closest ally, and cornerstone of national security.