So i been wondering

[Winston]

Tell that to FDR. I bet you would feel differently if you ever have misfortune in your life, hit by a car or something, are crippled, and forced onto SNAP to stay alive.


Of course they are, don't be an idiot. EBT is to buy food. EBT gives a dollar amount benefit, and people see fit to spend the money on what they want and need to eat. That money will still be spent either way. What I eat is none of your business, but thanks for voting for fascism, which is what this really is, and over time, it will only spread out to include more and more things and apply to more and more people. Jesus! How can people not see that when it happens with everything the government gets involved in?

Let's cut to the chase and be honest here. This is really about resentment over charity at all. But you would change your tune if someday, you needed it for yourself. We have all seen the fat cows at Walmart, usually black women, loading up on groceries, we all know there are abusers and people born into Welfare. But that is a SOCIAL problem. In your zeal to "get even" with the freeloaders because you are angry you are not getting anything for free, you are willing to walk right over millions of people to get there because (for now), it does not include you.

But it COULD someday. Most people do not plan or expect to need SNAP, but shit happens. Life is a fickle *****. And there are millions of people on SNAP and welfare who are good, honest, hard-working people who paid into this stuff all their lives now needing it who made bigger contributions to society than you ever will.

The problem with this decision is that as usual, it is a one-size-fits-all solution, designed to fit the worst offenders while rolling over the rest. But I might consider an alternative: LIMITING a person to how much pop or candy or snack cakes and deserts they can buy each month.

That would be a far more equitable and intelligent solution, a far more American one, which is obviously why it escapes you.

Government is already too big and powerful, I have no desire to see it get even bigger and more powerful.

Dude, you are on a roll. You are spot on. This is about resentment, period. And like I said, it is just sad. I mean there is a lot of shit in this world to be upset about. What someone on EBT buys is way down the damn list. I mean how big of a loser do you have to be? Look, I go to the grocery store. Went today. I see them, damn 400 pound woman sitting in one of those motorized grocery carts with the seat all stores provide now. You got to watch them, they will run over your ass. But I disagree about the black part, most of them are white.

So yeah, they kind of get on my nerves but nothing like the online shoppers. Got that big ass cart in the middle of the damn aisle, you can't get past them and they are like "DU HUH" looking for the damn cranberry sauce or some shit. Damn have to park like half a mile away from the entrance because there are forty ******* parking places marked for "pick-up", maybe two actually occupied.
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I mean how damn lazy to you have to be. And sorry, but I be damned if I have some blue-haired ***** with a nose ring picking out my produce. They wouldn't know a ripe, sweet, female cantaloupe if it jumped up and bit them in the ass. And meat, OMG, no damn way.

 

[toobfreak]

The govt has no authority to redistribute my funds to individuals.

And there's your problem, ignorance. The government took that authority about EIGHTY YEARS AGO.

Nope. Those people can drink their mtn dew if they want. Their EBT has just been restricted.

Hello and welcome to fascism.

And really, your argument is a bit bias. Do you have that opinion on everything? Anything anyone gets from the govt shouldnt be regulated by the govt? What about medicaid? Vet care?

There you go, now resorting to fallacious B&W reasoning to justify fascism. Maybe someday, you'll figure it out.

 

[TNHarley]

And there's your problem, ignorance. The government took that authority about EIGHTY YEARS AGO.

They created it out of thin air. You can justify a govt abusing its power if you want. But I certainly wont.

Hello and welcome to fascism.

You are jsutifying the govt abusing its powers, my guy. Not sure how regulating govt given money for free is anything close to fascism, but whatever.

There you go, now resorting to fallacious B&W reasoning to justify fascism. Maybe someday, you'll figure it out.

 

[toobfreak]

Dude, you are on a roll. You are spot on. This is about resentment, period.

Crazy, huh? I mean, we normally don't agree on anything and here we are agreeing. People write me off as a brainwashed cultist Trump supporter, but I'm really just an intelligent, thoughtful, educated conservative. I go with wherever the common sense intelligent choices are, and right now, Trump is just making far more intelligent and American choices than the democrats are.

But you are right; the resentment and anger just OOZES from so many people, they can't wait to get back at all these people they resent because they are out working hard to buy food. They think everyone on welfare are lazy freeloaders. They do not care that a lot of people getting public assistance are good people who need this stuff and deserve it, and JUST DON'T CARE that it could cause a lot of people to go without any of the things they value for themselves.

I REALLY love the argument that since they are living off public assistance that we (or the government) has the right to arbitrarily and autocratically tell others how they can eat and live, even if that action makes absolutely no difference in the tax base, spending, or health. It is all based on blind resentment directed at the helpless.

I'm waiting for JUST ONE of these people here to back up their claims by putting themselves in the same shoes they are trying to force on others. It isn't enough to stay alive without SOME quality of life. I dare anyone here to spend the next six months eating nothing but cabbage and stuff, with absolutely no sweetened drinks, juices, deserts, snacks or anything. Just drink ******* tap water.

An honest person is willing to walk in another person's shoes before they tell them how far they can walk. I bet not one person here takes that bet. I'm finding out now that 80% of the so-called conservatives and constitutionalists here are really just closet authoritarians.

Damn have to park like half a mile away from the entrance because there are forty ******* parking places marked for "pick-up", maybe two actually occupied.

Well, to be fair, a lot of those people at pick-up are (hopefully) there because they are not well enough to go into the store and walk around like you and I.

 

[Maxdeath]

Not at all. I pity you guys. I mean how sad is your life if you have to worry about what someone else buys at the grocery store? And my numbers are spot on, two percent, TWO ******* PERCENT, don't kid yourself about the savings. It is about control, punishment if you will. Oh, you deserve soda and Little Debbie cakes, the poor don't. Those people need to work. They do, you dumbass. Most of them. Pretty much all of them that are capable. 86% of non-disabled households collecting EBT have at least one person working, sometimes two.

Look I get it you think calling people names makes you look smart. In actuality it does just the opposite.
I still do not drink soda or eat junk food. I could very well afford it but I do not. Why? Because I do not want to deal with obesity, diabetes which can be in part helped by all those sugary treats. No one is saying they can not buy sugar, syrup, flour or anything else. You claim that they do not deserve treats. If they want them they can bake or mix up ones themselves. If that is too much work for them oh well.
Has the government ever told you that you can not do something? Maybe a bit of pcp? Maybe not drive with out a license?
As far as money is concerned I see no problem with them buying food but we have put restrictions on what can be bought with these benefits. We have never allowed people to buy alcohol or cigarettes. But you are coming unhinged over treats that are premade.

 

[toobfreak]

No one is saying they can not buy sugar, syrup, flour or anything else.

Really? So what is the point in blocking people from buying sugary products if they can just go out, buy sugar and crap and make it themselves? Oh yeah, the truly sick and disabled CAN'T just make it themselves. So the very people who are the most innocent and least offenders will be the very ones who pay for the no-cola policy the most.

Pure blind authoritarianism.

Never mind the impact on businesses whom the government just told millions of people they can no longer buy their product! Is sugar the new tobacco?

If they want them they can bake or mix up ones themselves.

Except for the people who are disabled who cannot stand, walk, cook or bake. Oops.

If that is too much work for them oh well.

Oh well, no skin off your nose. For now. That is unless you get sick someday or the government decides they like the new rule so much that they expand it to include you. By then though, it will be too late.

We have never allowed people to buy alcohol or cigarettes.

So now food is like liquor and cigarettes. Wow. Talk about pathetic rationalization. I have no desire to feed government and expand it even bigger giving yet more control over people's lives.

 

[Maxdeath]

Really? So what is the point in blocking people from buying sugary products if they can just go out, buy sugar and crap and make it themselves? Oh yeah, the truly sick and disabled CAN'T just make it themselves. So the very people who are the most innocent and least offenders will be the very ones who pay for the no-cola policy the most.

Pure blind authoritarianism.

Never mind the impact on businesses whom the government just told millions of people they can no longer buy their product! Is sugar the new tobacco?


Except for the people who are disabled who cannot stand, walk, cook or bake. Oops.


Oh well, no skin off your nose. For now. That is unless you get sick someday or the government decides they like the new rule so much that they expand it to include you. By then though, it will be too late.


So now food is like liquor and cigarettes. Wow. Talk about pathetic rationalization. I have no desire to feed government and expand it even bigger giving yet more control over people's lives.

Aww poor thing. So you think that it is a good thing to possibly exacerbate those people that can not stand or are not able to bake by allowing them to feast on hohos and such. You seem to be unaware that sugar can help increase diabetes and obesity. So you have no problem with them becoming less able to care for themselves.
All you are seeing is people should be allowed to kill themselves any way they want. Even if it means more of a strain on Medicare or hospice.
I am only pointing out that we have always had restrictions on what can be bought. I suspect you knew that but just wanted to try and find something to throw rocks at

 

[toobfreak]

Aww poor thing.

Delete. No sense wasting my time further on this topic. If what I have already said doesn't sink in, then nothing will.

You simply refuse to see where such actions is taking this country.

Maybe it will finally sink in when the government expands their rules to now include YOU, because once government acquires a new power, they never give it up, they only keep adding to it.

 

[Maxdeath]

Delete. No sense wasting my time further on this topic. If what I have already said doesn't sink in, then nothing will.

You simply refuse to see where such actions is taking this country.

Maybe it will finally sink in when the government expands their rules to now include YOU, because once government acquires a new power, they never give it up, they only keep adding to it.

Oh I get it they are requiring people to eat slightly better so that of course man’s it will lead to show papers to travel across state borders, being required to think only what the government allows, on and on.
The sky is falling, oh no we are a communist country now.
Dramatics are fine but a bit over done.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I do love me some Fresca

 

[Winston]

**** FDR. I dont ask tyrants anything.
The facts would still be the same. The govt has no authority to redistribute my funds to individuals

Crazy, huh? I mean, we normally don't agree on anything and here we are agreeing. People write me off as a brainwashed cultist Trump supporter, but I'm really just an intelligent, thoughtful, educated conservative. I go with wherever the common sense intelligent choices are, and right now, Trump is just making far more intelligent and American choices than the democrats are.

But you are right; the resentment and anger just OOZES from so many people, they can't wait to get back at all these people they resent because they are out working hard to buy food. They think everyone on welfare are lazy freeloaders. They do not care that a lot of people getting public assistance are good people who need this stuff and deserve it, and JUST DON'T CARE that it could cause a lot of people to go without any of the things they value for themselves.

I REALLY love the argument that since they are living off public assistance that we (or the government) has the right to arbitrarily and autocratically tell others how they can eat and live, even if that action makes absolutely no difference in the tax base, spending, or health. It is all based on blind resentment directed at the helpless.

I'm waiting for JUST ONE of these people here to back up their claims by putting themselves in the same shoes they are trying to force on others. It isn't enough to stay alive without SOME quality of life. I dare anyone here to spend the next six months eating nothing but cabbage and stuff, with absolutely no sweetened drinks, juices, deserts, snacks or anything. Just drink ******* tap water.

An honest person is willing to walk in another person's shoes before they tell them how far they can walk. I bet not one person here takes that bet. I'm finding out now that 80% of the so-called conservatives and constitutionalists here are really just closet authoritarians.


Well, to be fair, a lot of those people at pick-up are (hopefully) there because they are not well enough to go into the store and walk around like you and I.

Like I said, I have worked in the grocery business, was born into it. So I am in management and I am constantly hearing all these employees bitching about food stamps, much like those in this thread. So I call a staff meeting, everyone is required to attend. First, I tell them, we are no longer going to accept food stamps. Oh, they are so happy, whooping and hollering. Then I tell them to line up. I go down the line, I count off, one through five, at five, I pull someone out of the line. Then, I look at the ones that hit five and tell them, "Your fired". Shock and disbelief runs over them. Then I make it short and sweet. 20% of our business comes from food stamps. You continue to complain, this is precisely what is going to happen. Never heard a peep out of them afterwards.

 

[toobfreak]

Oh I get it they are requiring people to eat slightly better

IT IS NOT YOUR OR THEIR PLACE TO TELL A PERSON HOW TO EAT. Do you want people telling you what you can and cannot have? Damn are you dense.

The sky is falling, oh no we are a communist country now.
Dramatics are fine but a bit over done.

Rationalize on. Wait till it comes to your doorstep.

 

[toobfreak]

Like I said, I have worked in the grocery business, was born into it. So I am in management and I am constantly hearing all these employees bitching about food stamps, much like those in this thread. So I call a staff meeting, everyone is required to attend. First, I tell them, we are no longer going to accept food stamps. Oh, they are so happy, whooping and hollering. Then I tell them to line up. I go down the line, I count off, one through five, at five, I pull someone out of the line. Then, I look at the ones that hit five and tell them, "Your fired". Shock and disbelief runs over them. Then I make it short and sweet. 20% of our business comes from food stamps. You continue to complain, this is precisely what is going to happen. Never heard a peep out of them afterwards.

Interesting but valid argument. Imagine how Coke and Pepsi feel that now, a large segment of their customers are now banned from buying their product causing a significant drop in sales, loss of jobs, downsizing of factories, etc., and all through no fault of their own. I think I'd sue.

At least with cigarette companies, you could say they were doctoring the cigarettes to make them addictive.

 

[Maxdeath]

IT IS NOT YOUR OR THEIR PLACE TO TELL A PERSON HOW TO EAT. Do you want people telling you what you can and cannot have? Damn are you dense.


Rationalize on. Wait till it comes to your doorstep.

Using your logic it is not anyone’s place to tell someone that they can not use street drugs, they can not tell someone they can not drive without a license. I could go on and on. But you do not seem to be able to understand that some people want people to eat better because it is part and parcel to bad health which leads to higher medical costs. Some people also realize that teaching children to subsist on treats is not the proper way to teach them about healthy habits. Which again leads to higher medical costs.
It is on my doorstep. Government tells me I can’t run around the town without clothing. They tell me that I have to show up for jury duty. They tell me that I am not allowed to kill people no matter how much I think the world would be a better place without them.
Scream at the heavens. The problem is the government has been telling people what they can and can not do since people developed the idea of government. In this case the results are that we may have a few people less in need of medical treatment. Not a bad outcome in my opinion

 

[Oddball]

So i wuz thinking ...which can be dangerous according to the left
How long will it take the rocket scientist on EBT cards to figure out and that you can still go into that baking aisle and buy everything you need to make cakes pies probably candy too what about the baker's chocolate is that banned

I like lime soda I've been drinking seltzer water and flavoring it for years and adding a little sugar it's a little healthier than Coke
I do love me some Fresca ..they make a less sweet version ...or they used to

It's grapefruit I make my own the way I like it less sweet
I like less sweet
I'm in the South there's nothing I can do... they love them some sugar. if I want a less sweet cheesecake I have to make it myself

They don't have jobs you can find a minute to bake something ...
Bake a f****** apple pie

Yup...Figured out during my bartending days that lime LaCroix and some ruby red makes a better Fresca then Fresca.

 

[Winston]

Using your logic it is not anyone’s place to tell someone that they can not use street drugs, they can not tell someone they can not drive without a license. I could go on and on. But you do not seem to be able to understand that some people want people to eat better because it is part and parcel to bad health which leads to higher medical costs. Some people also realize that teaching children to subsist on treats is not the proper way to teach them about healthy habits. Which again leads to higher medical costs.
It is on my doorstep. Government tells me I can’t run around the town without clothing. They tell me that I have to show up for jury duty. They tell me that I am not allowed to kill people no matter how much I think the world would be a better place without them.
Scream at the heavens. The problem is the government has been telling people what they can and can not do since people developed the idea of government. In this case the results are that we may have a few people less in need of medical treatment. Not a bad outcome in my opinion

Look I get it you think calling people names makes you look smart. In actuality it does just the opposite.
I still do not drink soda or eat junk food. I could very well afford it but I do not. Why? Because I do not want to deal with obesity, diabetes which can be in part helped by all those sugary treats. No one is saying they can not buy sugar, syrup, flour or anything else. You claim that they do not deserve treats. If they want them they can bake or mix up ones themselves. If that is too much work for them oh well.
Has the government ever told you that you can not do something? Maybe a bit of pcp? Maybe not drive with out a license?
As far as money is concerned I see no problem with them buying food but we have put restrictions on what can be bought with these benefits. We have never allowed people to buy alcohol or cigarettes. But you are coming unhinged over treats that are premade.

**** that, you are just rationalizing. Don't want people to drink sodas, eat junk food. Then ban the shit outright. I mean are you telling me you only care about the health of poor people using EBT? How damn funny. I mean here is a thought. No more social security checks, instead you get a debit card. Of course, you can't buy soft drinks, little Debbie cakes, chips. Nope, ain't good for you. And you can pay your power bill, but cable, no, not really necessary. Let's go ahead and cut that out as well. Cell phones, lets go ahead and put a cap on that, twenty bucks seems about right, get a flip phone. No need for the government to give you money to buy a smartphone. That work for you?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Add some tomatoes, eggplant and zucchini (Aussie terms) and you have a very healthy feed indeed; even just add some meaty bones.....yum yum.

I make it often; Dad was East European.

Greg

Yes I love cabbage and boiled potatoes too I like all kinds of cabbage from German red cabbage to kimchi
I'm not putting it down I'm just saying they can have lobster tails and filet mignons and I don't care that's. he's reducing them all to peasants who live In hovels and shacks in 1902

I'm from NYC and I'm older gen x so I am familiar with all the classic Western and Eastern European peasant Foods

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Delete. No sense wasting my time further on this topic. If what I have already said doesn't sink in, then nothing will.

You simply refuse to see where such actions is taking this country.

Maybe it will finally sink in when the government expands their rules to now include YOU, because once government acquires a new power, they never give it up, they only keep adding to it.

They're not acquiring a new power like a plantair god help us ....or a patriot act
This is a modification of an existing program for the poor......... and illegal aliens
They have rules anyway you can't buy beer and cigarettes with an EBT unless you're at certain bodegas in Brooklyn lol now ya can't buy Pepsi

Are you going to deny a little old lady her 40 oz and pack of Salem's?
Apparently we do


Was the pepsi cheering them up cause they can't buy liquad bread

MAHA

Have they all been kicked off yet? The illegals
No lobster tails for you and your anchor babies

Didn't Trump just announced they kicked off 300,000 illegal immigrants from social f****** security


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[Leo123]

I hate to say this because I know the intentions are good, but there is a bigger issue at stake here.

Central to the conservative mindset is small and limited government. The last thing anyone needs is another government intrusion into their lives, yet unfortunately, this is exactly the thing the Right has been buffaloed into supporting.

Yeah, I know, it sounds like a good idea, but the government has no right telling people what they can eat. I know some people eat too much junk shit, then, the government should just take junk food off the shelves for everyone.

Are you ready to give up cola, sweetened drinks, cake, ice cream, all deserts, and candy? You have to know that once started, more and more will only be added to the list.

This is an insidious form of discrimination. The truth is, there are many sick and disabled people who can barely get around, cannot cook, and depend on packaged and processed food to get by on.

Encourage people to eat better, help or offer people to get on nutrition programs, but please keep the government out of my kitchen. You see, by doing this, you have only moved government one step closer to telling YOU what you can buy and eat.

But, Toob--- these people can still buy this junk with their own money! Not everyone on food stamps is on welfare, and if these people had money, they would not need food stamps or welfare.

The real goal here is really just to cut down on benefits because what will really happen in that a lot of people will just end up buying less food and the state will pocket the savings.

The government can tell me all they want I don't have to do their silly shit. As far as food quality, that should be a government function and is already.

Example: I like Coca Cola but do not like the high fructose corn syrup. They use it because it's more economical as do a lot of sugary drinks. I'm with Kennedy, When I buy sugar I want sugar, not some chemically enhanced shit. Mexican coke has real sugar in it. Much better, not so sickeningly sweet.

6 Reasons Why High-Fructose Corn Syrup Is Bad for You

High-fructose corn syrup has been linked to today's obesity epidemic and many other serious health issues. Learn why it's bad for your healt

www.healthline.com

Eating 'better' means different things to different people. I know some guys eating a Paleo (all meat) diet. I know some (mostly women) preferring more of a vegetarian type meal. Eating styles can be highly cultural as well.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

The government can tell me all they want I don't have to do their silly shit. As far as food quality, that should be a government function and is already.

Example: I like Coca Cola but do not like the high fructose corn syrup. They use it because it's more economical as do a lot of sugary drinks. I'm with Kennedy, When I buy sugar I want sugar, not some chemically enhanced shit. Mexican coke has real sugar in it. Much better, not so sickeningly sweet.

6 Reasons Why High-Fructose Corn Syrup Is Bad for You

High-fructose corn syrup has been linked to today's obesity epidemic and many other serious health issues. Learn why it's bad for your healt

www.healthline.com

Eating 'better' means different things to different people. I know some guys eating a Paleo (all meat) diet. I know some (mostly women) preferring more of a vegetarian type meal. Eating styles can be highly cultural as well.

Yes that was mentioned in the other thread and yer absolutely right the government is knee deep in poisoning the population with regulations over everything and letting Mass producers put yellow number 666 into our foods

Buying raw milk is against the law EBT or no EBT ........
Illegal cheese
I got a guy