So here's what I think happened between Kavanaugh & Ford

[Mac1958]

Having spent four fairly boozy years in college, having been to my share of college parties, and just having a fundamental understanding of that environment, here's what I think happened.

I think he was drunk and he dry humped her for "fun". Stupid, sophomoric, thoughtless, "fun". The mix of booze, testosterone and adrenaline can make a young guy do some pretty stupid shit, and you can DOUBLE that when a buddy is there. He and his buddy laughed about it, and maybe she hid her horror by not acting like she had been attacked. Ask them about it a week later, and they may or may not have remembered it.

Different people (men and women) are sensitive to entirely different things. Clearly this really, profoundly hurt Ford, even though he was clowning around. It wasn't a rape, it wasn't an attempted rape, it was a short, stupid, ignorant act by a drunk kid who was showing off and should have fucking known better. Some women would have laughed it off, some would not, and there is no right or wrong response to it.

Should that disqualify any candidate, three decades later, nominated by a President from either party, for the Supreme Court? Not in my book, but it certainly provides a pretty good excuse for partisans of the opposite party nowadays.

My two cents. Yours?
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As usual, an ignorant, butthurt Snowflake post totally ignoring all the FACTS. You even ignore all of her previous comments on the subject and the FACT that she's a registered DimocRAT who supported Clinton and then took part in Soros-funded demonstrations against the legaly elected president.

If you can't see that this is purely political, you need to have your eyes - and head - examined.

Actually, I've pointed out many times that the Left has leveraged this in every way possible for political advantage.

Have a cookie.
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[Crixus]

Having spent four fairly boozy years in college, having been to my share of college parties, and just having a fundamental understanding of that environment, here's what I think happened.

I think he was drunk and he dry humped her for "fun". Stupid, sophomoric, thoughtless, "fun". The mix of booze, testosterone and adrenaline can make a young guy do some pretty stupid shit, and you can DOUBLE that when a buddy is there. He and his buddy laughed about it, and maybe she hid her horror by not acting like she had been attacked. Ask them about it a week later, and they may or may not have remembered it.

Different people (men and women) are sensitive to entirely different things. Clearly this really, profoundly hurt Ford, even though he was clowning around. It wasn't a rape, it wasn't an attempted rape, it was a short, stupid, ignorant act by a drunk kid who was showing off and should have fucking known better. Some women would have laughed it off, some would not, and there is no right or wrong response to it.

Should that disqualify any candidate, three decades later, nominated by a President from either party, for the Supreme Court? Not in my book, but it certainly provides a pretty good excuse for partisans of the opposite party nowadays.

My two cents. Yours?
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You certainly could be right. I find it hard to have a firm opinion about the events, as they happened so long ago and memories that old tend to be unreliable. Add in the fact that whatever happened could have seemed different from different perspectives, and the addition of alcohol consumption, and it's very difficult for me to say things did or did not happen. It's unfortunate, but without any evidence other than the testimony of those involved, the reality is that there's simply no way to know.

So then what? Say he did it, then if that’s the case go head and press charges? Lindsey Grahamnisty made a good point when he said a serial gang rapist just don’t give it up. If you look into it some, those people tend to get more bold as they go along. Same for the drinking. A drinker like he is being made out to be makes enemies.

 

[toobfreak]

Having spent four fairly boozy years in college, having been to my share of college parties, and just having a fundamental understanding of that environment, here's what I think happened.

I think he was drunk and he dry humped her for "fun". Stupid, sophomoric, thoughtless, "fun". The mix of booze, testosterone and adrenaline can make a young guy do some pretty stupid shit, and you can DOUBLE that when a buddy is there. He and his buddy laughed about it, and maybe she hid her horror by not acting like she had been attacked. Ask them about it a week later, and they may or may not have remembered it.

Different people (men and women) are sensitive to entirely different things. Clearly this really, profoundly hurt Ford, even though he was clowning around. It wasn't a rape, it wasn't an attempted rape, it was a short, stupid, ignorant act by a drunk kid who was showing off and should have fucking known better. Some women would have laughed it off, some would not, and there is no right or wrong response to it.

Should that disqualify any candidate, three decades later, nominated by a President from either party, for the Supreme Court? Not in my book, but it certainly provides a pretty good excuse for partisans of the opposite party nowadays.

My two cents. Yours?
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Only issue I have,

1. No one backs her account.
2. No time, no place, no accounting for very simple details, how did you get home, how did you get there
3. She was not credible. She seemed like she was faking her way through the testimony. Weepy and tearful when she talked to the republican questioner, happy and cool when she talked to democrats.
5. She never went to the police. She could have and should have started there. She diddnt.

Was she driven home? Did she walk? Did her friend, cayser ask her why she left at anytime after the event......basic questions any real victim would be able to answer.....actual victims of sexual assault remember the details...all of them..... they have a problem forgetting them, not remembering them...that is why they go to therapy...to deal with the things they can't forget....

What one remembers vividly in a scenario like that is the adrenaline part --- being unable to breathe first and foremost. Being unable to escape. The circumstances around that, such as the position of the bed, the music, the staircase etc. That's why those details would be vivid, and why Ford was universally analyzed as completely credible.

The ride home by contrast would have been entirely anticlimactic unless it also involved a dramatic incident, e.g. a collision. Since it apparently did not it's just one of thousands of routine rides in a car. Can you remember every time you rode home in a car? I can't. Moreover in the immediate aftermath of a life-threatening situation one has just survived it's *FAR* more likely that she's turning over what just happened in the bedroom, than whether the next traffic light is red or not.

I can certainly recall, for instance, car collisions I've been in. But I can't recall how I got home from them.

Oh yeah, and about that ride home, who drove ? I know the poor hag can’t remember because of all the trama, but still, why hasn’t the driver stepped up? Sure, her memory could omit bits and pieces, but what about those around her? 4 of those people say it diddnt happen. What would really be helpful for Mrs. Ford is for the person who drove her to and from that party. The people she was hanging out with before that party would be useful to. Very simple details. On a 6 mile drive how would this not come up? No one asking “hey where you go” or “why you run out” ? Going by her own words, one of the people at the party had to have driven her.

AGAIN --- NOBODY ANYWHERE said it "didn't happen" outside of Kavanaugh himself.

AGAIN ---- Kavanaugh has flatly DENIED IT EVER HAPPENED. The FBI never found anything on SIX investigations. They won't find anything now. Chrissy Ford has offered no proof herself and just a conflicting story with a lot of holes in it. So what are we doing here besides killing time and dragging this out hoping to stall it long enough to avoid another conservative appointment?

SCREW THE LEFT: Kavanaugh is going to happen.

 

[Mac1958]

There is no proof in what she is saying. Everything else is just speculation.

Of course. That's exactly what I'm doing.
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[LordBrownTrout]

There is no proof in what she is saying. Everything else is just speculation.

Of course. That's exactly what I'm doing.
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Thats why she should be disregarded.

 

[Mac1958]

NOt bad, but that does not explain the highly suspicious timing.

The timing is terrible, the optics are terrible. I'm just making a wild-ass-guess.
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[OldLady]

Maybe

But I think it was more than just a dry hump for fun

He tried to remove her clothes but she had a bathing suit on underneath and he gave up

Prove it, asshole.

AM I THE ONLY ONE who has noticed the ring around Chrissy's throat?

View attachment 219298

What is that?

1. Residual marks left from her B&D sex collar removed for the hearing?
2. Deliberately put there to subliminally make her appear more the "victim?"
3. Leftover choke marks from her husband after pleading with the psycho liberal bitch not to go through with this crap failed?

I want this to end up with Brett on the Supreme Court, Feinstein impeached and Chrissy Ford counter-sued for one million dollars.

I don't know if that's a real non-photoshopped picture or not (and I doubt it considering the source) but my mother had a scar just like that. It was from a thyroid operation. I remember the time she was in the hospital, vividly.

By the way Einstein --- how exactly do you "countersue" if you haven't been sued?

Dumbassssss.

--------------------------------------------- its an ugly woman aging in an ugly way , i wish her more Uglyness Pogo .

Her looks have absolutely nothing to do with it, Pismoe.

 

[Crixus]

Only issue I have,

1. No one backs her account.
2. No time, no place, no accounting for very simple details, how did you get home, how did you get there
3. She was not credible. She seemed like she was faking her way through the testimony. Weepy and tearful when she talked to the republican questioner, happy and cool when she talked to democrats.
5. She never went to the police. She could have and should have started there. She diddnt.

Was she driven home? Did she walk? Did her friend, cayser ask her why she left at anytime after the event......basic questions any real victim would be able to answer.....actual victims of sexual assault remember the details...all of them..... they have a problem forgetting them, not remembering them...that is why they go to therapy...to deal with the things they can't forget....

What one remembers vividly in a scenario like that is the adrenaline part --- being unable to breathe first and foremost. Being unable to escape. The circumstances around that, such as the position of the bed, the music, the staircase etc. That's why those details would be vivid, and why Ford was universally analyzed as completely credible.

The ride home by contrast would have been entirely anticlimactic unless it also involved a dramatic incident, e.g. a collision. Since it apparently did not it's just one of thousands of routine rides in a car. Can you remember every time you rode home in a car? I can't. Moreover in the immediate aftermath of a life-threatening situation one has just survived it's *FAR* more likely that she's turning over what just happened in the bedroom, than whether the next traffic light is red or not.

I can certainly recall, for instance, car collisions I've been in. But I can't recall how I got home from them.

Oh yeah, and about that ride home, who drove ? I know the poor hag can’t remember because of all the trama, but still, why hasn’t the driver stepped up? Sure, her memory could omit bits and pieces, but what about those around her? 4 of those people say it diddnt happen. What would really be helpful for Mrs. Ford is for the person who drove her to and from that party. The people she was hanging out with before that party would be useful to. Very simple details. On a 6 mile drive how would this not come up? No one asking “hey where you go” or “why you run out” ? Going by her own words, one of the people at the party had to have driven her.

AGAIN --- NOBODY ANYWHERE said it "didn't happen" outside of Kavanaugh himself.

AGAIN ---- Kavanaugh has flatly DENIED IT EVER HAPPENED. The FBI never found anything on SIX investigations. They won't find anything now. Chrissy Ford has offered no proof herself and just a conflicting story with a lot of holes in it. So what are we doing here besides killing time and dragging this out hoping to stall it long enough to avoid another conservative appointment?

SCREW THE LEFT: Kavanaugh is going to happen.

That’s what I’m saying. And notice, zero effort to fill those holes?

 

[OldLady]

NOt bad, but that does not explain the highly suspicious timing.

The timing is terrible, the optics are terrible. I'm just making a wild-ass-guess.
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Question: I'm not entirely familiar with this "dry humping" thing, but does it always include locking someone in a room so no one can rescue them and turning up the music and covering her mouth so no one can hear her scream?

 

[pismoe]

simple observation , she is aging in a nasty way OldLady and i am glad to see it .

 

[caddo kid]

Having spent four fairly boozy years in college, having been to my share of college parties, and just having a fundamental understanding of that environment, here's what I think happened.

I think he was drunk and he dry humped her for "fun". Stupid, sophomoric, thoughtless, "fun". The mix of booze, testosterone and adrenaline can make a young guy do some pretty stupid shit, and you can DOUBLE that when a buddy is there. He and his buddy laughed about it, and maybe she hid her horror by not acting like she had been attacked. Ask them about it a week later, and they may or may not have remembered it.

Different people (men and women) are sensitive to entirely different things. Clearly this really, profoundly hurt Ford, even though he was clowning around. It wasn't a rape, it wasn't an attempted rape, it was a short, stupid, ignorant act by a drunk kid who was showing off and should have fucking known better. Some women would have laughed it off, some would not, and there is no right or wrong response to it.

Should that disqualify any candidate, three decades later, nominated by a President from either party, for the Supreme Court? Not in my book, but it certainly provides a pretty good excuse for partisans of the opposite party nowadays.

My two cents. Yours?
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Interesting post & thanks for throwing that out there. There is IMO a lot of truth in your post AFA what goes on on a college campus during that time frame. I'm sure that is still going on to this day.

OK, so let's say everything went down just like you stated in the OP.
Would there be any need for anyone to lie about it re: Ford, or Kavanaugh?

Exactly. If Kavanaugh had said "OK yeah that happened but I remember it more this way...." or if he had said "I don't remember it but considering my lifestyle at the time it could have happened and if it did I apologize".... the whole thing would have blown over weeks ago and he'd prolly be on the court now.

Of course if he's sure it didn't happen he could have said that too without digging into the pit of partisan politics and conspiracy theories and obfuscation and deliberate misstatement of facts.

Any of the above would have been honest, temperate responses and the idea of being less than qualified, at least on this basis, would have dissipated.

But in the event he chose to go full partisan-conspiracy-meltdown man. Which makes the whole question of what happened in a bedroom in 1982, irrelevant. If a given Senator is looking for a reason to disqualify, Kavanaugh went out of his way to provide it.

There is never a "right" answer with you libs. It is never enough. You will always demand more.


YOur lies are fooling no one.

I like the new one...where morons like pogo are saying that since he got mad at the hearing because they are falsely accusing him of rape....that he doesn't have the composure to be a judge....

Democrats are vile, they are evil.

Any legal professional that has worked in a court room for the length of time that Kavanaugh has, knows good & well what is & what is not acceptable personal conduct within a court room.

Kavanaugh should have taken his many years of experience with court room settings into that Senate committee room, and comported himself to make the BEST impression upon every Senator present. Many of these Senators are attorneys & some are former prosecutors. They KNOW what a convincing witness looks & acts like. Kavanaugh was NOT that person.

That performance was all Kavanaugh's choosing; NO one else.

You are blaming Kavanaugh's terrible choice on Democrats. That is so rich; beyond belief, in fact.

 

[JoeB131]

Having spent four fairly boozy years in college, having been to my share of college parties, and just having a fundamental understanding of that environment, here's what I think happened.

I think he was drunk and he dry humped her for "fun". Stupid, sophomoric, thoughtless, "fun". The mix of booze, testosterone and adrenaline can make a young guy do some pretty stupid shit, and you can DOUBLE that when a buddy is there. He and his buddy laughed about it, and maybe she hid her horror by not acting like she had been attacked. Ask them about it a week later, and they may or may not have remembered it.

Stormy Mac. Defender of WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE!!!!

If he did it, he should resign in disgrace. Period. This isn't complicated.

Different people (men and women) are sensitive to entirely different things. Clearly this really, profoundly hurt Ford, even though he was clowning around. It wasn't a rape, it wasn't an attempted rape, it was a short, stupid, ignorant act by a drunk kid who was showing off and should have fucking known better. Some women would have laughed it off, some would not, and there is no right or wrong response to it.

Again, when it's a white kid, we say they were clowning around. When it's a kid of color, throw that little bastard in jail and give him a lifetime criminal record!!!!

Should that disqualify any candidate, three decades later, nominated by a President from either party, for the Supreme Court? Not in my book, but it certainly provides a pretty good excuse for partisans of the opposite party nowadays.

Well, of course in your book, not. But here's the thing, Stormy, if he said, "Hey, I was a drunk kid, I was goofing around, I had no idea I had hurt Chrissy's feelings like I did, I'm terribly sorry." Then I'd have no problem with him. I mean other than him being a right Wing asshole who is going to drag American Juris Prudence back to the 19th century.

That's not what he did. He started screaming maniacally that Hillary was out to get him.

Seriously, Hillary is like Professor Moriarity and Keyser Soze all rolled up into one.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Having spent four fairly boozy years in college, having been to my share of college parties, and just having a fundamental understanding of that environment, here's what I think happened.

I think he was drunk and he dry humped her for "fun". Stupid, sophomoric, thoughtless, "fun". The mix of booze, testosterone and adrenaline can make a young guy do some pretty stupid shit, and you can DOUBLE that when a buddy is there. He and his buddy laughed about it, and maybe she hid her horror by not acting like she had been attacked. Ask them about it a week later, and they may or may not have remembered it.

Different people (men and women) are sensitive to entirely different things. Clearly this really, profoundly hurt Ford, even though he was clowning around. It wasn't a rape, it wasn't an attempted rape, it was a short, stupid, ignorant act by a drunk kid who was showing off and should have fucking known better. Some women would have laughed it off, some would not, and there is no right or wrong response to it.

Should that disqualify any candidate, three decades later, nominated by a President from either party, for the Supreme Court? Not in my book, but it certainly provides a pretty good excuse for partisans of the opposite party nowadays.

My two cents. Yours?
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He pushed her into a room and locked the door behind them. He held his hand over her mouth to muffle her screams.

That’s sexual assault.

 

[Care4all]

Bottom line: SHE ASKED FOR IT.

Wow, just wow.

Seems like we'll never get the knuckledraggers to pick up their knuckles. On behalf of males everywhere to females I apologize for those too dense to understand that they need to.

FU. You are a clown. One more PLOY to detract from the fact that this girl HAD NO BUSINESS being at that party that time of night at that age getting drunk with older boys. WHERE WERE HER PARENTS in guiding and supervising her? ANY OTHER TIME you'd be pointing out how alcohol lowers one's inhibitions and like any other drug makes the user not responsible for their actions.

Nothing makes molesting a girl against her will right, but nothing changes the fact that Chrissy can hardly be too surprised that after secretly sneaking to an older-boys all-boy party late at light BEHIND HER PARENT'S BACKS to get drunk at the tender age of 15, that some boys there plastered out of their minds in a moment of weakness, haze and horniness, mistook her presence as an invitation and interested and FELT HER UP.

It might have been wrong, but wholly predictable to anyone with a brain. So even if it happened, that certainly doesn't detract from Kavanaugh's character and qualifications to serve as a Justice on the bench. If anyone is guilty here, it should be the parents, whom today, parents are routinely prosecuted just for letting their kids walk home from the park, much less out late at night getting drunk and felt up.

We need to find out what her parents were like. Were they hippies too getting drunk and smoking pot in the home while their little girl was out getting drunk and looking for a good lay? Pogo probably sees nothing wrong with any of this because it reminds him of the home HE grew up in!

Knuckle dragger...
Where was HIS PARENTS his junior and senior year that he spent drunk as a skunk or Mark Judges parent's while he was drunk as a skunk during high school? How in the world could his parents not know how much he was drinking? Where were they in teaching their boys not to abduct and lock a girl in a room with two boys and grinding the girl without the girl's permission and teaching their boys that this is not ok to do?

You can Kiss my grits, toobfreak!

 

[Mac1958]

NOt bad, but that does not explain the highly suspicious timing.

The timing is terrible, the optics are terrible. I'm just making a wild-ass-guess.
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Question: I'm not entirely familiar with this "dry humping" thing, but does it always include locking someone in a room so no one can rescue them and turning up the music and covering her mouth so no one can hear her scream?

Nope. Or maybe. I don't know. I also don't know if her account is entirely accurate. Or maybe he was fooling around and assumed she got it.

Evidently his friend in the room is going to cooperate.
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[Sandy Shanks]

Having spent four fairly boozy years in college, having been to my share of college parties, and just having a fundamental understanding of that environment, here's what I think happened.

I think he was drunk and he dry humped her for "fun". Stupid, sophomoric, thoughtless, "fun". The mix of booze, testosterone and adrenaline can make a young guy do some pretty stupid shit, and you can DOUBLE that when a buddy is there. He and his buddy laughed about it, and maybe she hid her horror by not acting like she had been attacked. Ask them about it a week later, and they may or may not have remembered it.

Different people (men and women) are sensitive to entirely different things. Clearly this really, profoundly hurt Ford, even though he was clowning around. It wasn't a rape, it wasn't an attempted rape, it was a short, stupid, ignorant act by a drunk kid who was showing off and should have fucking known better. Some women would have laughed it off, some would not, and there is no right or wrong response to it.

Should that disqualify any candidate, three decades later, nominated by a President from either party, for the Supreme Court? Not in my book, but it certainly provides a pretty good excuse for partisans of the opposite party nowadays.

My two cents. Yours?
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In his book, Mark Judge describes one of his acquaintances at the time, someone named “Bart O’Kavanaugh,” who vomited in a car after a party.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ged-kavanaugh-assault/?utm_term=.0d1d8c0021f7

Judge's book is entitled "Wasted: Tales of a Gen X Drunk." Judge is a recovering alcoholic.

In one passage of the book in a chapter titled "A Functioning Alcoholic," senior year students, including Judge, lamented the news that they would be spending Sundays during their senior year doing community service.

"'We have to do something,' I said. 'They can't get away with this our senior year.'
"'What are we going to do?' Shane said, laughing. 'Drink a hundred kegs and brag about it?'
"No one laughed. For a second, no one even spoke. 'It's brilliant,' I said."
Judge and his high school buddies went on to create a newspaper called the Heretic, a riff on their school newspaper the Saint. One of the main objectives of the paper, as laid out by Judge in the book, was to chronicle "the 100-keg quest and everything that happened on the way."
According to his book, Judge and his friends continued to publish and anonymously distribute the paper on campus, with a continued emphasis on the 100-keg quest in the pages. Judge wrote that by March of his senior year, the keg count was "into the mid-eighties."
In "Wasted," Judge also describes an exchange with a young woman at a party when talk arose of a friend who puked in a car.
"Do you know Bart O'Kavanaugh?"
"Yeah. He's around here somewhere."
"I heard he puked in someone's car the other night."
"Yeah. He passed out on his way back from a party."

Mark Judge details senior year at Georgetown Prep with Kavanaugh - CNNPolitics

It is relatively easy task to find out if there was a classmate of Judge's named Bart O'Kavanaugh along with his friend Brett Kavanaugh. That would be a remarkable coincidence.

 

[OKTexas]

Bottom line: SHE ASKED FOR IT.

Wow, just wow.

Seems like we'll never get the knuckledraggers to pick up their knuckles. On behalf of males everywhere to females I apologize for those too dense to understand that they need to.

Yeah, clinging on to the old innocent until proven guilty thing, is so fucking yesterday. FU

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[OldLady]

simple observation , she is aging in a nasty way OldLady and i am glad to see it .

That's because you're nasty.

 

[pismoe]

Having spent four fairly boozy years in college, having been to my share of college parties, and just having a fundamental understanding of that environment, here's what I think happened.

I think he was drunk and he dry humped her for "fun". Stupid, sophomoric, thoughtless, "fun". The mix of booze, testosterone and adrenaline can make a young guy do some pretty stupid shit, and you can DOUBLE that when a buddy is there. He and his buddy laughed about it, and maybe she hid her horror by not acting like she had been attacked. Ask them about it a week later, and they may or may not have remembered it.

Different people (men and women) are sensitive to entirely different things. Clearly this really, profoundly hurt Ford, even though he was clowning around. It wasn't a rape, it wasn't an attempted rape, it was a short, stupid, ignorant act by a drunk kid who was showing off and should have fucking known better. Some women would have laughed it off, some would not, and there is no right or wrong response to it.

Should that disqualify any candidate, three decades later, nominated by a President from either party, for the Supreme Court? Not in my book, but it certainly provides a pretty good excuse for partisans of the opposite party nowadays.

My two cents. Yours?
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A tougher girl would have smacked him or hit him in the balls. She was a snowflake. Remembers it worse than it was. Or remembers it exactly how it happened from her viewpoint.

I agree with you completely. This was a long time ago and that’s how drunk young men acted in the 80s.

After hearing her testimony they need to seat that son of a bitch. I don’t like it but it’s true

that’s how drunk young men acted in the 80s.
No, it's not. Well, at least not in the 70's they didn't, and I have asked all of my students, of various ages, some just out of high school and they ALL have told me that this is not "normal" behavior. It is highly aggressive and on the verge of criminal, if you ask me. It's not just copping a feel. It is a whole lot more than that. He locked the door so no one else could come walking in to "rescue" her. He turned up the stereo to drown out her yells and covered her mouth with his hand. He attempted to rip off her clothes. He may have done it as some kind of dare or joke with his buddy, but it was anything but "that's how drunk young men acted " in any decade.

------------------------------- Almost Criminal , she shoulda reported to police maybe with Parents in Tow OldLady .

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If we're doing wild speculations......I think she blacked out and an alien from sutkar abducted her.