So democrats do in fact advocate socialism

[kaz]

I bet you guys are big fans of the idiot in Norway, he feels the same as you do.

The party of hate again identifies itself. Not you, you're just an idiot. All the other liberals who read your vitriol and didn't say a word.

Your argument is retarded as well. Conservatives supported capital punishment for McVie. Other then your blind hatred, what is this based on? Of course nothing, it's your blind hatred.

 

[kaz]

keep pretending that Obama is a Marxist

If you're right, I just handed you the hammer to beat my brains in with. Name a plank of the Communist Manifesto that he opposes. I like how you keep insulting my intelligence then can't just answer simple questions, particularly questions like this that if you're right you can bludgeon me with.

No, you name one that he embraces, asswipe.

I knew it, you don't even know what the Communist Manifesto advocates and you're too lazy to look it up. This is why I like asking these questions, to show that you're shooting blanks. You don't like the word communist, so you object.

 

[Neotrotsky]

The true level of their absurdity will come to light
when they try to blame Palin for this somehow

 

[kaz]

The true level of their absurdity will come to light
when they try to blame Palin for this somehow

Agreed. I think we're all waiting for how they are going to make that connection.

 

[Mr.Nick]

It appears to point in that direction..

I have plenty of Dem friends. Now if you're not actually looking for debate rebuttals etc...(I got that feeling after you bailed from your last thread), then perhaps we might discuss this.
I would first ask you to define socialism, as - especially on the net - there seems to be a wide range of definitions. Would this be what your are referring to?:

An economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned. Characteristics of a socialist economy include the complete elimination of privately owned enterprises.

If so, I can assure you that neither of us will find a socialist on this board and very few in America. If this is not what you are referring to, please clarify. Depending on your definition, you may actually be correct.

I have posted on European boards, consistently they have mocked the ignorance the American version of "socialist" and they know true socialism. Some people here, have been suckered by their talking head entertainer's deliberate attempts at misinformation.

No, thats called pseudo-capitalism - not socialism... Besides, its severely failing now in Europe too.

You're delusional and ignorant.

Give me one example where socialism has been successful for an extended period of time which a) has not gone moonbat authoritarian/totalitarian and b) has a population over 15,000,000.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

No that's socialism- you're talking about COMMUNISM. USA has no clue what socialism IS> TY Pub propaganda machine, cold war dinosaurs.

 

[Neotrotsky]

The Soviets were a Socialist state trying to achieve Communism

 

[Mr.Nick]

The Soviets were a Socialist state trying to achieve Communism

What you know about the October Revolution of 1917?

What you call Lenin?

What you call Stalin?

"Trying to achieve socialism?"

Stalin was a totalitarian lunatic....

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, they're evil. The secret is out!

True, they are, in fact, evil.

 

[Neotrotsky]

The Soviets were a Socialist state trying to achieve Communism

What you know about the October Revolution of 1917?

What you call Stalin?

"Trying to achieve socialism?"

Stalin was a totalitarian lunatic....

Agree!

The Soviets were just an example of statism at its worst.

The main point is that they were socialists

 

[bripat9643]

I've never know a liberal that wants socialism..

But keep pretending they do, and keep pretending that Obama is a Marxist.

It fits your personality of stupidity and your ability to regurgitate talking points.

A liberal is nothing more than a socialist who pretends he isn't a socialist.

 

[Neotrotsky]

I've never know a liberal that wants socialism..

But keep pretending they do, and keep pretending that Obama is a Marxist.

It fits your personality of stupidity and your ability to regurgitate talking points.

A liberal is nothing more than a socialist who pretends he isn't a socialist.[/QUOTE]

Good point

If the Left actually told the people what they wanted
they would never get elected

To often
many call for ends
but do not understand the means to get there

 

[bripat9643]

keep pretending that Obama is a Marxist

If you're right, I just handed you the hammer to beat my brains in with. Name a plank of the Communist Manifesto that he opposes. I like how you keep insulting my intelligence then can't just answer simple questions, particularly questions like this that if you're right you can bludgeon me with.

No, you name one that he embraces, asswipe.

Here's is Marx's program:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants [those who try to escape the country] and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.​

What parts do "liberals" disagree with?

 

[Big Fitz]

The Soviets were a Socialist state trying to achieve Communism

liberalism=socialism=communism=marxism=progressivism=fascism

All that differs is the logistics and terminology, but the end result is the same.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The Soviets were a Socialist state trying to achieve Communism

What you know about the October Revolution of 1917?

What you call Stalin?

"Trying to achieve socialism?"

Stalin was a totalitarian lunatic....

Agree!

The Soviets were just an example of statism at its worst.

The main point is that they were socialists

Absolutely.

I suppose my point is that socialism er Marxist philosophy always escalates into totalitarian insanity.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The Soviets were a Socialist state trying to achieve Communism

liberalism=socialism=communism=marxism=progressivism=fascism

All that differs is the logistics and terminology, but the end result is the same.

No the economic model in which reflects on socioeconomic environment.

Once again libfucks are dumb motherfuckers.

I love your "eh" version of socialism - it insults my intelligence.

 

[Big Fitz]

If you're right, I just handed you the hammer to beat my brains in with. Name a plank of the Communist Manifesto that he opposes. I like how you keep insulting my intelligence then can't just answer simple questions, particularly questions like this that if you're right you can bludgeon me with.

No, you name one that he embraces, asswipe.

Here's is Marx's program:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants [those who try to escape the country] and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.​

What parts do "liberals" disagree with?

ooh wow. damning stuff.

1. National parks and federal property. Look out west. And now, look at your mortgage!

2. Tax hikes on the rich anyone?

3. Increases of the inheritance tax to near 100% seems to be the desire by the Dems.

4. Hasn't been advocate yet... because people are still coming into this country. Don't worry, it's coming. But RICO may get used if leaving becomes a crime.

5. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae anyone?

6. FCC control of the Internet anyone? Attempts to shut down talk radio?

7. Wow, the econazis march! Sustainable cities, 'smart growth', green spaces and 'pristine wilderness' areas.

8. Can we say unionization boys and girls? I thought we could.

9. Not here yet, but wait. Currently it's being outsourced to Big Ag.

10. Public education meets child labor??? I could see nobody agreeing with this, even liberals.

So 9 out of 10 will probably be advanced. 7 out of 10 already are under way.

 

[Sallow]

It appears to point in that direction..

So does the Constitution.

Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Amendment 13 - Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865. History

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Amendment 27 - Limiting Changes to Congressional Pay. Ratified 5/7/1992. History

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

Damn..that's alot of Socialism!

 

[Neotrotsky]

As you can see on Left
Ignorance is Bliss

Many on the Left have ends in mind
but do not understand the means to get there,,

 

[Sallow]

If you're right, I just handed you the hammer to beat my brains in with. Name a plank of the Communist Manifesto that he opposes. I like how you keep insulting my intelligence then can't just answer simple questions, particularly questions like this that if you're right you can bludgeon me with.

No, you name one that he embraces, asswipe.

Here's is Marx's program:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants [those who try to escape the country] and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.​

What parts do "liberals" disagree with?

Taxes are communist?



Really?