SNAP bans on soda, candy and other foods take effect in five states Jan. 1- Thanks RFK!

[JoeB131]

Register's point-of-sale (POS) systems take care of the SNAP benefit charges.

POS systems mean that all items are scanned as normal. The individual then pays with the EBT charge and only the SNAP items are deducted from the purchase total. The individual then pays with any other regular method cash, credit card, debit card, or check (do people really use them anymore?).

So payment is a multi-step process that charges EBT and remaining goods seperately.

You can now post some anecdotal example of how "well I bet there is a mom and pop convience store that will not do that.".

WW

That works fine and all, but here's the thing.

Most of the poorer areas are "Food Deserts". The big old food chains don't set up, and the only places that do are immigrant-run mom-and-pop stores.

Do you think they are going to take the time to reprogram all their cash registers?

There's a reason why only five states are going along with Bobby Brainworm's brilliant plan.

 

[j-mac]

It may just depend on what's being purchased. Junk food is a one-time, unwrap-it-and-eat-it cost, whereas buying individual ingredients can create multiple meals or snacks. I've never taken out a calculator on this, but it's always been my impression that the per-meal, per-person cost is lower that way.

That's the way I was raised. And as often as possible, we make the preparation of the food a social time rather than a pain.

You may be correct...And back then our Mother's knew how to cook...Today, the women have to have careers leaving them drained by the time they get home. Too tired to cook an actual meal...Part and parcel of the "Me" generation.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Indiana banned it last year.
Very grateful for that.
It is a pretty sad thing to see - a fat ass mom with two or three overweight-unkempt kids in tow, with a grocery cart full of frozen pizzas, cases of pop, 3 kinds of chips, 4 kinds of Little Debbie cakes, bologna, ice cream etc. Pay with an EBT card - and then, of course, pays $150-$200 for a couple cartons of cigarettes. Which could have paid for the groceries.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

RFK Jr., lifelong Dem, is one of the few people in this administration to have stayed the course and achieved success.
Man's a G. He runs for POTUS, no matter the party (cause that's all BS anyway), he has MY vote.

 

[JoeB131]

Indiana banned it last year.
Very grateful for that.
It is a pretty sad thing to see - a fat ass mom with two or three overweight-unkempt kids in tow, with a grocery cart full of frozen pizzas, cases of pop, 3 kinds of chips, 4 kinds of Little Debbie cakes, bologna, ice cream etc. Pay with an EBT card - and then, of course, pays $150-$200 for a couple cartons of cigarettes. Which could have paid for the groceries.

Damn Poor people! How dare they enjoy unhealthy things!

I kind of wonder why wingnuts hate poor people so much.

If you are really concerned about unhealthy things, why just ban them for poor people? Let's ban the sale of Little Debbies to EVERYONE!!! Same thing with Cigarettes. Let's outright ban them.

Here's one of my uncharacteristically anti-liberal views. Most of the costs of a pack of smokes is State, Local, and Federal Taxes.

The government subsidizes the growing of Tobacco, which they know is addictive, then tax the crap out of it after people get hooked.

 

[JoeB131]

RFK Jr., lifelong Dem, is one of the few people in this administration to have stayed the course and achieved success.
Man's a G. He runs for POTUS, no matter the party (cause that's all BS anyway), he has MY vote.

Bobby Brainworm is a weirdo and his own family has no use for him.

 

[Meathead]

The argument the wingnuts made at the time is that kids don't want to eat their veggies and were just throwing them out.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Bobby Brainworm is a weirdo and his own family has no use for him.

I prefer Our Secretary of Perpetual Orgasm, but Brain worm works.

Did you know that Florence Nightingale's family also rejected her? Yet she, too, dedicated her entire life to caring for the sick.

I suppose you defend their decision to do so? Of course you do, you love and support Mao Tse-tung. 'shivers'.

I bet you have dead fetuses in jars or some other creepy shit.

Yech!...I caste thee out Demon!!

 

[j-mac]

That works fine and all, but here's the thing.

Most of the poorer areas are "Food Deserts". The big old food chains don't set up, and the only places that do are immigrant-run mom-and-pop stores.

Well...I wonder why that is....







And there is far more that hit's youtube everyday of young blacks in these neighborhoods acting like savages, and trashing stores, restaurants, anything that sets up in the "hood".... So it's no surprise when these businesses close in those areas.

 

[JoeB131]

I prefer Our Secretary of Perpetual Orgasm, but Brain worm works.

Did you know that Florence Nightingale's family also rejected her? Yet she, too, dedicated her entire life to caring for the sick.

I suppose you defend their decision to do so? Of course you do, you love and support Mao Tse-tung. 'shivers'.

I bet you have dead fetuses in jars or some other creepy shit.

Yech!...I caste thee out Demon!!

Why would I have a fetus in a jar. Unlike Bobby Brainworm, who likes to collect road kill and dumped a dead bear in Central Park.

Brainworm would be laughable if his ideas weren't so dangerous. Oh, look, Measles have made a comeback.

 

[JoeB131]

Well...I wonder why that is....

Poor people terrify you, don't they?

 

[j-mac]

Poor people terrify you, don't they?

Not at all....Dangerous people, are dangerous...It's a simple as that...

And this subject isn't about me personally....You made a clearly dumb statement, trying to say that the big mean ol businesses were pulling out of minority neighborhoods unfairly, leaving them without choices, and I gave you simply three videos of resident of those neighborhoods destroying those businesses, and why it's no wonder they close...There are thousands of these types of videos from across the nation...Yet, the only reply you have is that I'm scared of black people? You're a goddamn idiot...

 

[Rawley]

They are powerful. And I’d go a step further: the way the U.S. runs elections, in my view, creates a whole host of these problems in the first place.
If it takes millions, and in some cases billions, of dollars to get elected, and that money is made available largely by major corporations, policy will almost inevitably skew toward corporate interests rather than the general population. That’s true regardless of the promises politicians make on the campaign trail.

That’s why issues like food policy so often end up focused on individual behavior, what poor people should eat, instead of addressing the economic and political structures that shape what food is cheap, available, and heavily marketed in the first place.

OK, I'll bite, what's your secret for raising a cow cheaper than a stalk of corn or some wheat?

 

[Bitterhook]

Just out of curiosity. Where do you live, what state I mean?

I'm asking because I'm Belgian and my wife's American. She lived in New York. And what struck me on my first visit to the US is how expensive "healthy foods" are and how cheap processed junk food. This is over 20 years ago and in my experience that's been the case in every state in the US I've been to since.

This brought me to the conclusion that America's obesity problem isn't one of bad choices, but one driven by economics. The poorer you are the less you can spend on healthy foods.

Snap benefits are for these people. So I wonder. What's preventing these bans from turning an already bad problem of poverty and obesity into escalating into outright malnutrition?

To put it in perspective. My wife just bought me some lychee's imported fruit here. A bit over 2 pounds worth for 6 euro. 1 kilogram of oranges. (About 2 and a half pounds) 6 euro. Those are not the prices I encounter when in the US.

A pound of rice costs between $0.50 and $2.00.
A pound of Oreos costs $4.04

One of those is healthier than the other.

 

[Rawley]

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You will never convince me that RFK is a net positive.

I like the people in charge of my health to actually listen to the concensus of medical professionals rather than find people, (fringe opinion) medical professionals or otherwise, who agree with him, so he can set health policy that he prefers regardless of what the medical consensus is.

Which doesn't mean I will dismiss a policy simply because I think he's ill-informed at best, or a quack at worst.

Which is why I engage with your premise, not the person of RFK.

RFK is "in charge of your health?" That's just sad.

 

[forkup]

I agree...I can remember when the wife and I were young, and struggling. It was, and is still cheaper to buy pure junk in a grocery store, to make it through the week, than to do educated shopping for healthy options...

Now, with that said, I do believe that if the American consumer did a little research, and shopped smarter, maybe visiting different stores, rather than grabbing that shopping cart and waddling through Wal Mart, buying the same dinner plans every week, we would see some change...

Jackson has already made a similar point, namely that you can buy both cheap and healthy food in the US. With the caveat that it would make for a very narrow and dare I say spartan diet. Somehing I pointed out would end up being a choice between something akin to prison ration and tasty, or at least satisfying, but unhealthy food choices.

Not a bargain that I'd trust most people would strike correctly.

 

[JoeB131]

A pound of rice costs between $0.50 and $2.00.
A pound of Oreos costs $4.04

One of those is healthier than the other.

And?

They are both starches, not terribly healthy.

Again, if you think Oreos are unhealthy, you should ban their sale completely, right?

Punishing poor people for being poor is just cruel.

But with Conservatism, the Cruelty is the point. It's not like you have ideas to make things better.

 

[j-mac]

Jackson has already made a similar point, namely that you can buy both cheap and healthy food in the US. With the caveat that it would make for a very narrow and dare I say spartan diet. Somehing I pointed out would end up being a choice between something akin to prison ration and tasty, or at least satisfying, but unhealthy food choices.

Not a bargain that I'd trust most people would strike correctly.

Probably not, and I'll admit that I don't always make the healthy choice...But, we need education, along with what RFK is doing here which is going after the worst of the worst products out there, and amplifying what these products do over time....Is it a scare tactic? sure....Do we need to be scared? Yes.

 

[Rawley]

Ivan is upset that he can't get his Borscht Ration while poor people in America buy candy-bars.

All this law does is make the job of cashiers harder, and they probably won't be bothered following these stupid rules.

You think cashiers make these decisions? LOL

 

[Bitterhook]

And?

They are both starches, not terribly healthy.

Again, if you think Oreos are unhealthy, you should ban their sale completely, right?

Punishing poor people for being poor is just cruel.

But with Conservatism, the Cruelty is the point. It's not like you have ideas to make things better.

First off, I am not an authoritarian fascist progressive liberal that thinks we should ban anything over your absolute nonsense, and foolish attempts to ignore some very basic things.

However, it is somewhat hilarious that you would equate the absence of Oreo cookies with some kind of punishment.
Are you five years old?